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We have to remember that some of the badness has to come from whoever is doing FW paintjobs.

I mean, I can't imagine that they sculpted the chainsword girl to actually have "boredom" as her facial expression. That has to be the painter.

I like 'em. I like that they actually look like people.
I don't like that they're overpriced FW models.

Voss wrote:
I like 'em. I like that they actually look like people.
I don't like that they're overpriced FW models.

I like 'em too. I just don't like that they sell them separately. This is the kind of mini that screams "set of 3".

And that, combined with the fact that FW charges other countries more $$$ for the same models for literally no reason (coming from the same factory, and I still have to pay UK-to-Oz shipping), means I won't be getting them from Forgeworld.

Dread Master wrote:
Wow... these are ugly models. Easy pass for me. And none of them are reminiscent of Gina Carano, who even though she has gained some weight, has an absolutely beautiful face.

Why do female warriors need to be photogenic, and these are hive gangers, living in the scrap heaps probably doesnt do good for your complexion, and smears the mascara, so why bother. Eschins have their own style and femininity but Orlocks dont care so much.

I would like to see more female gangers, esp Van Saar and Goliaths.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

And that, combined with the fact that FW charges other countries more $$$ for the same models for literally no reason (coming from the same factory, and I still have to pay UK-to-Oz shipping), means I won't be getting them from Forgeworld.

There are people on Dakka who get models that are difficult or expensive to source and ship them to you at cost.
Much goes down under.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

And that, combined with the fact that FW charges other countries more $$$ for the same models for literally no reason (coming from the same factory, and I still have to pay UK-to-Oz shipping), means I won't be getting them from Forgeworld.

Well, there are reasons stated on their website here : https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-BE/Taxes-and-Charges-FW

Sure, they may not be the reasons you want to read or believe, but saying there are litterally no reason is factually false.


Besides, we actually don't know if they will be sold separately. Fact is, the article on the Warhammer Community is specifically separating them in two categories : the first two are gunners (regular orlock gangers) and only the third is a road sergeant (champion).

My bet is they will be two blisters : one of two gunners and one with the lone champion. However they will be sold, they will be priced to FW standards, and yes that will be expensive.


About some saying orlock girls shouldn't be part of the gangs...well, it's written as such in the new background of Necromunda, so yeah not only they should but they are. Simple as that. Pretty sure we'll end up seeing some of the 12 daughters of Slate Merdena. Would love to see Alice Shivver, she'd make a great villain.

Why does every thread about female minis just atavise into "These are bad because they aren't lovely* enough"?

It's mad lame that these are Orlocks' only source of female gangers outside of the jump-jet girls, the sculpts are a bit lacklustre (c'mon, all 3 of these women are gangsters, yet ALL have perfect little ski-slope noses, tousled, tomboyish locks and the same soft facial structure, allowing for Miss they-don't-let-me-use-the-flamer-anymore, and they're kinda just stood there) with detail that could have been just as easily molded in plastic.

I think few people are gonna buy these unless they're much cheaper than we're used to.

* Foul language removed

 posermcbogus wrote:
I think few people are gonna buy these unless they're much cheaper than we're used to.

It's FW, and it's GW, so...

 posermcbogus wrote:
Why does every thread about female minis just atavise into "These are bad because they aren't lovely enough"?

I used to wonder why there weren't more women in the hobby. Until I met more other hobbyists.

It's mad lame that these are Orlocks' only source of female gangers outside of the jump-jet girls, the sculpts are a bit lacklustre (c'mon, all 3 of these women are gangsters, yet ALL have perfect little ski-slope noses, tousled, tomboyish locks and the same soft facial structure, allowing for Miss they-don't-let-me-use-the-flamer-anymore, and they're kinda just stood there) with detail that could have been just as easily molded in plastic.

Agreed - while I like them, they're too similar to each other. Similar faces, similar hair, similar physique, last two even in the same pose. They're not the most inspired designs - as if the brief was "here's a concept sketch for the model: make three".

Ah man... I was excited to see these until I realised they’ll be forgeworld. Man, what a damn shame, they are typically disgustingly priced in AUS. Sad face.

Models are awesome, and look exactly like post apocalypse female biker gangers should look, but just like those nice FW solo Escher models they're basically for collectors only.

Sweet JESUS the comments in this thread.

For the record - I like these models. A lot. I like that they look like female humans in jeans, t-shirts and leather jackets armed with military weapons who wish to go out and do some killing. Everything else being secondary.

I won't BUY them, because I have a huge number of old Orlocks and the aesthetic doesn't quite match. I did buy the Wreckers, though, who can get away with looking distinctive due to the jump packs.

However, when these models were first previewed it did inspire me to make some wrecker head-swaps to my old plastic Orlocks and some minor additional conversion work. I'll post in my P&M thread.

Jesus. The comments. Gah.


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Here:

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/774316.page#11028831

Flamebait has been removed, quotes of said bait as well, along with the odd bit of editing to remove some foul language that made it past the filters. Let's keep things civil and not have things devolve any further.

Sarouan wrote:
Well, there are reasons stated on their website here : https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-BE/Taxes-and-Charges-FW

Sure, they may not be the reasons you want to read or believe, but saying there are litterally no reason is factually false.

No it's not.

They charge different costs for the same mini depending on country, despite it being made and shipped from the same factory. There is no reason why I should pay sometimes up to 40% more than someone in the UK for the exact same mini being pulled from the same mould by the same worker in the same factory (especially considering I have to pay international shipping on top of that).

This isn't a case of me purchasing the item from a local store or even local GW where they have imported them in bulk and thus have had to pay import duties and shipping and whatnot. This is a single order for me and me alone, from the same place that someone in Nottingham can make, yet I pay 40% more for nothing.

And import duties that they're 'saving' us from amounted to a couple of dollars at most.

Man, just the other day I was thinking how nice it would be to have more female sculpts for Necromunda gangs and then these come out! I think they look great for Post Apoc future characters. But I am sad they will not be a general release!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

No it's not.

They charge different costs for the same mini depending on country, despite it being made and shipped from the same factory. There is no reason why I should pay sometimes up to 40% more than someone in the UK for the exact same mini being pulled from the same mould by the same worker in the same factory (especially considering I have to pay international shipping on top of that).

This isn't a case of me purchasing the item from a local store or even local GW where they have imported them in bulk and thus have had to pay import duties and shipping and whatnot. This is a single order for me and me alone, from the same place that someone in Nottingham can make, yet I pay 40% more for nothing.

And import duties that they're 'saving' us from amounted to a couple of dollars at most.

They're not just talking about import duties in the link I provided. They also say some countries have VAT or assimilated local taxes included in their prices, which is why they are different depending from the country.

You may not like or believe what you're reading, fair enough, but first it's to be assumed you read the actual thing.

Sarouan wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

No it's not.

They charge different costs for the same mini depending on country, despite it being made and shipped from the same factory. There is no reason why I should pay sometimes up to 40% more than someone in the UK for the exact same mini being pulled from the same mould by the same worker in the same factory (especially considering I have to pay international shipping on top of that).

This isn't a case of me purchasing the item from a local store or even local GW where they have imported them in bulk and thus have had to pay import duties and shipping and whatnot. This is a single order for me and me alone, from the same place that someone in Nottingham can make, yet I pay 40% more for nothing.

And import duties that they're 'saving' us from amounted to a couple of dollars at most.

They're not just talking about import duties in the link I provided. They also say some countries have VAT or assimilated local taxes included in their prices, which is why they are different depending from the country.

You may not like or believe what you're reading, fair enough, but first it's to be assumed you read the actual thing.

The UK has VAT. It's 20% of the regular price (maybe even also some other assimilated local taxes included in their prices). Which they should deduct before selling anywhere "not UK", particularly now after Brexit. So, if H.B.M.C. is paying 40% above that... well, ain't that a thing.

And Aussie GST is 10%

Sooo..... price should reduce by 20% then increase by 10% for an overall 12% reduction.

Then 5% Aussie import duty taking us to a 7.6% reduction.

So. Yeah. "Taxes" looks like nonsense.

At a GBP to AUS currency rate of 1.76, that means that something which costs £10 should cost $16.30 -ish, with all the tax conversions.

Grendl Grendlesen is £19 and $50.

It SHOULD be $31 -ish. Before shipping.

Wow, you guys are getting absolutely done over down there.




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A further however, though - the OECD "Purchasing power" which compares the price of stuff in general between countries give a ratio between UK and AU of 2.2 -ish

https://data.oecd.org/conversion/purchasing-power-parities-ppp.htm

Taking Grendl to a price of about $42, which isn't terribly far off the price actually charged.

So, what GW is doing is roughly in line with what a lot of other companies do, but their excuses are rubbish.

You know, I appreciate the effort of releasing those female Orlocks, and some of the bits are nice, but when Goliath Forge-born look more recognizably female than what I presume to be normal, unaugmented humans, you kinda have to ask if maybe something went wrong during the design process.

I suppose the overtly squat design they went with for a lot of Necro stuff doesn't help here.

Good thing I have the female Catachan seargant coming in to stand in for a champion. Shame I only bought one.

Edit: Actually, this might be a matter of visual context. I guess I should wait to see those female Orlocks next to male ones to truly judge it they work or not.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Goliath Forge-born look more recognizably female

FWIW, the goliaths have those weird chest plates that with the little attention I'd paid, I thought they were a lighter style of trooper than the giant standard ones...

 His Master's Voice wrote:
You know, I appreciate the effort of releasing those female Orlocks, and some of the bits are nice, but when Goliath Forge-born look more recognizably female than what I presume to be normal, unaugmented humans, you kinda have to ask if maybe something went wrong during the design process.

You might want to go to an optician, dude.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Good thing I have the female Catachan seargant coming in to stand in for a champion. Shame I only bought one.

I regret only getting one as well. Lots of potential with that mini.

 Graphite wrote:
For the record - I like these models. A lot. I like that they look like female humans in jeans, t-shirts and leather jackets armed with military weapons who wish to go out and do some killing. Everything else being secondary.

I won't BUY them, because I have a huge number of old Orlocks and the aesthetic doesn't quite match.

This is close to where I am. I love these models, and the slightly different aesthetic on the new Orlocks doesn't bother me - my Orlock gang was originally made up of a mix of Orlock and Catachan models as it is, so a little more visual difference in their gear is fine. If only they were smaller... I would have bought soooo much of the new Necromunda stuff if it had been in scale with the originals. As is, I've bought a handful of models that I can scatter through the gangs as particularly large individuals, and for every other release I just ogle the models and lament what could have been.

I think the chainsword is a little bland, but love the other two. The price is sure to be rough, but I'm still considering getting them for IG vets or inquisition or something. That heavy bolter may need to become a Harker proxy.

Question- Are those old Shapeways females figures still available?

https://www.shapeways.com/product/PKP6EPMW6/female-stealth-gang-with-laser-rifles?optionId=9885555&li=marketplace


Might finally be time to gather up a few, and track down the other gangs.

 Grot 6 wrote:
Question- Are those old Shapeways females figures still available?

https://www.shapeways.com/product/PKP6EPMW6/female-stealth-gang-with-laser-rifles?optionId=9885555&li=marketplace


Might finally be time to gather up a few, and track down the other gangs.

...you just linked to them in the store, so... yes?

Phyrr Cats are up for pre-order.

£21 for a pair. Not exactly cheap, but not quite the ‘both your Nan’s and one of your Kidneys’ we’ve seen on other FW Necromunda models.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Escher-Phyrr-Cats-2021

I quite like them. Seems that the only separate piece is the tail, so that makes them easier to work with.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
£21 for a pair.

Wouldn't that be nice...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
£21 for a pair.

Wouldn't that be nice...

What would you expect that to cost to send to you, if us in MDG's looting gang were to buy it at UK prices, and ship to you?

Shipping kills it unfortunately.

And we try not to do exchange rate dodging

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Shipping kills it unfortunately.

And we try not to do exchange rate dodging

Good point.
I must re-read the gang rules before long. It's been a while. These aren't exclusives, so aren't a thing.