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Either/Or wrote:
How is the eviscerator supposed to be held? The mid “handle” doesn’t actually look like a handle.

probably has a handle on the other side behind the skull that bends up to the top part, like most modern chainsaws.

This has got be hinting towards the Cawdor specialist box. There is no way they'd introduce a new gang before the main 6 had all been updated, it wod mess up the gang of books lineup, and the production run surely.

warl0rdb0b wrote:
This has got be hinting towards the Cawdor specialist box. There is no way they'd introduce a new gang before the main 6 had all been updated, it wod mess up the gang of books lineup, and the production run surely.

Like slave ogryns?

warl0rdb0b wrote:
This has got be hinting towards the Cawdor specialist box. There is no way they'd introduce a new gang before the main 6 had all been updated, it wod mess up the gang of books lineup, and the production run surely.

Unfortunately, pretty sure it will be the case :(

Assuming that it is the Reds, it'll probably be like the Ogryn Slave gang and just be in the Cawdor book.

warl0rdb0b wrote:
This has got be hinting towards the Cawdor specialist box. There is no way they'd introduce a new gang before the main 6 had all been updated, it wod mess up the gang of books lineup, and the production run surely.

You mean, no way they'd do exactly that a...fourth time?


The context of the article seems pretty clear. 'Something big' doesn't really lend itself to '6 special gangers and some rats.'

 Lord Damocles wrote:
I feel like putting the barrel of the flamer where it is on that eviscerator is going to cause problems..

It looks like the flamer nozzle might be offset from the centre-line of the blade, but we can't tell because it's a 2D illustration. But if the "pipe" part to the right of the fiery skull is in-line with the blade, then it looks like the "tube" and "nozzle" details are not in-line. It would still be a ridiculous design, since the offset nozzle would interfere with the blade slicing through anything.

Voss wrote:

warl0rdb0b wrote:
This has got be hinting towards the Cawdor specialist box. There is no way they'd introduce a new gang before the main 6 had all been updated, it wod mess up the gang of books lineup, and the production run surely.

You mean, no way they'd do exactly that a...fourth time?


The context of the article seems pretty clear. 'Something big' doesn't really lend itself to '6 special gangers and some rats.'

The only issue it's the article mention of Kal Jericho and Cardinal Crimson seems to hint towards Redemptionist more than Cawdor.

Could be the Cawdor Noble House equivalent. A small conclave of Redemptionists which can join your Gang as part of an alliance.

Redemtionists!

Get the flamers! There are sinners to be saved!


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Could be the Cawdor Noble House equivalent. A small conclave of Redemptionists which can join your Gang as part of an alliance.

I will disappointed if I can't run my gang of pyromaniac priests

Lovely designs! But will there be Pulpitek and Liber Excruciatus?

"My eyes have seen the glory
of the Redeemer our lord!
He shall smite the filthy mutant,
he shall purge the deviant horde!

We will be his shield and armour!
We will be his flaming sword,
as we go marching on!

Glory, glory the Redeemer!
Glory, glory the Redeemer!
Glory, glory the Redeemer!

As we go purging on!"

2 questions

-why wasn't the BSF pseudo-eviscerator on the table for flamer design?

(my take, because I like the model, yes, I could have found a less self-promoting one)


-excuse my ignorance, but now that the basic gangs have been more specialized since way back when redemptionists were a faction the core gangs were pretty similar/these were a divergence, what thematically or mechanically demands redemptionists not just be rolled into a related/subfaction of cawdor? Back when I played old necro, I never saw a huge difference, it always felt like redemptionists were just more defined cawdor.

Agreed to a point. Red pretty much made cawdor redundant. Still, redemptionnist will always have a special place in my heart. Will always rebember their fluff at the time said that they considered fornication and even thinking about fornication sinful. As a young kid at the time, had no idea what the word meant and asked my mother. She was wondering what the hell was i reading :p

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Could be the Cawdor Noble House equivalent. A small conclave of Redemptionists which can join your Gang as part of an alliance.

That would make them usable by chaos and genestealer cults

The main difference was that redemptionists started as an outlaw gang as far as in recall, while you could keep Cawdor within the fold of normal.play.

Looking back at the images, the book looks like it may be resin piece, seems to be far to many cuts otherwise for it to be plastic. Could be a hint at a Character pack, to further tie in with the Kal reference?

Either/Or wrote:
How is the eviscerator supposed to be held? The mid “handle” doesn’t actually look like a handle.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Sense and sanity is kinda in short supply in the Underhive, let alone when considering religious maniacs.

apparently...

 Flinty wrote:
The main difference was that redemptionists started as an outlaw gang as far as in recall, while you could keep Cawdor within the fold of normal.play.

Yeah that was the main difference. But even then, iiec red were pretty much half outlaws. Had access to a lot more ressources than the others outlaws gangs

What are the chances of a Redeemer and Malakev?

I wonder if the Redemptionists will be kind of like the bounty hunter gang in a way; specifically with access to house legacy gear and alternate profiles, since the Cult of the Red Redemption is supposed to draw from all Houses, not just Cawdor. They just get way less traction in the other five.

beast_gts wrote:
I was going to say "I'm not sure how you're meant to pump that shotgun", but looking again it might be an indented handgrip rather than a pump...

There's a bolt handle on the ejection port.

I'm excited about the idea of new redemptionists but also worried. I hope they retain some kind of hood even if it isn't quite as pointed as before. They already censored the cawdor executioner. Maybe they'll just end up looking like less armored versions of pious vorne.

Well HERE WE GO. We're about to find out what the Redemption looks like now, presumably along with Cawdor.

 Thargrim wrote:
I'm excited about the idea of new redemptionists but also worried. I hope they retain some kind of hood even if it isn't quite as pointed as before. They already censored the cawdor executioner. Maybe they'll just end up looking like less armored versions of pious vorne.

The “controversial” hood was previously only on a couple of models at most.

It’s hardly a defining feature.

Hood, while iconic, are gone for sure. They even removed it from that fw cawdor character.

Either/Or wrote:
How is the eviscerator supposed to be held? The mid “handle” doesn’t actually look like a handle.

It’ll kick out sideways like a Heavy Stubber. Or maybe even curve back like a chainsaw handle.

A possible downside to this is that, if the "second plastic kit" for Cawdor is going to be Redempionists, we won't be getting the Sisters of Battle inspired female Cawdor any time soon.

Ooor, as has been pointed out previously, they could just drop an extra sprue like they did for the Slave Ogryns. Absolutely no-one was expecting them, but yet…

Even if you assume they had the Ogryn brutes ready-made and built the gang around the kit, that’s still an extra mould they found the resources to do because they thought it was important/interesting enough.

The only question at this point is “are redemptionists important and/or interesting to the design team?”

 Graphite wrote:
A possible downside to this is that, if the "second plastic kit" for Cawdor is going to be Redempionists, we won't be getting the Sisters of Battle inspired female Cawdor any time soon.

The female Cawdor operate in separate groups, right? In which case, it wouldn't make sense as a gang expansion set - unfortunately, as I'd love to see their design. Maybe possibly perhaps in resin; if not several figures than some mercenary character with that background perhaps.

Yeah, exactly - for the Sisters of Cawdor it would have to be a whole gang sprue of basic fighters. I'd be surprised if that doesn't happen at some point, but I don't think it will be now given the Reds appear to be incoming. Also they should have different equipment lists, as the Cawdor polearms are to mimic the Custodes, and therefore the SoC shouldn't get them.

However - does the redemption itself segregate? Could end up as a sprue that can be used with both flavours of Cawdor gang, or by itself. To do Cawdor justice, the book would need 3 gang lists.