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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Just some Ad Mech rules would be nice.


whole-heartedly agree!!!
   
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Nerfing the Leviathan would be a horrific mistake.

The issue with the Levi was its interaction with the Iron Hands rules. They've fixed that. Further punishing non-IH players who like fielding Levis would just seem unfair.

Chaplain Dreads? They're not even going to be in the book, so they're not worth worrying about.

I fear for Repressors. Having seen what they can do last weekend it's going to be a shame to see them go Legends.

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The dark hollows of Kentucky

Imperial Armour: Index Xenos is officially sold out on the U.S. fw site. One down, three to go. Does this mean we're getting closer to hearing something about the new books? The upcoming announcements originally meant for Adepticon perhaps?
   
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Gadzilla666 wrote:
Imperial Armour: Index Xenos is officially sold out on the U.S. fw site. One down, three to go. Does this mean we're getting closer to hearing something about the new books? The upcoming announcements originally meant for Adepticon perhaps?

Maybee ,if we get lucky?

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Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
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GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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Not Online!!! wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
Imperial Armour: Index Xenos is officially sold out on the U.S. fw site. One down, three to go. Does this mean we're getting closer to hearing something about the new books? The upcoming announcements originally meant for Adepticon perhaps?

Maybee ,if we get lucky?

The 28th marks another year that I didn't die so here's hoping.
   
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I'd be happy if we just get the index back up to the old book, with the missing pseudo relic options and such..
With errata built in and a working versions of rapiers that should work more like the lord discordant and adding the missing units.
   
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 Trickstick wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
But feth "cadians with spikes". We should at least get unique troops sculpts. A multi part kit of the bsf traitor guard would be great. I love those models.


I would guess that plastics are just not feasible. You really do need to sell a lot of them to cover the costs. Like, an insane amount. Injection mould development is expensive, and you have to take into account the opportunity cost. They could be making something that would sell far better than renegades.

Now FW resin is a bit more likely. Especially if it is a conversion kit.


Plastics have come down in price recently. Wargames Atlantic for example, is doing a line of Spaniards vs Aztecs based solely on a less than 200 person poll's choice.....if they can afford to throw money away like that, GW can afford to do whatever it wants.

.Only a fool believes there is such a thing as price gouging. Things have value determined by the creator or merchant. If you don't agree with that value, you are free not to purchase. 
   
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General Hobbs wrote:
Plastics have come down in price recently. Wargames Atlantic for example, is doing a line of Spaniards vs Aztecs based solely on a less than 200 person poll's choice.....if they can afford to throw money away like that, GW can afford to do whatever it wants.


Maybe a few months ago, although I am always wary of underestimating the cost of things. Now though? They just shut down their entire distribution and production system. They are not going to be taking any risks for the forseeable future. At least GW has pretty solid financials, so it will be better off than a lot of businesses.

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I just wish they would get the book out....

.Only a fool believes there is such a thing as price gouging. Things have value determined by the creator or merchant. If you don't agree with that value, you are free not to purchase. 
   
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General Hobbs wrote:


I just wish they would get the book out....

The least they could do is give some experimental rules for us to look at.

CaptainStabby wrote:
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 jy2 wrote:
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 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
General Hobbs wrote:


I just wish they would get the book out....

The least they could do is give some experimental rules for us to look at.


And work with feedback because most armies Off fw need some serious retooling.

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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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The dark hollows of Kentucky

Not Online!!! wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
General Hobbs wrote:


I just wish they would get the book out....

The least they could do is give some experimental rules for us to look at.


And work with feedback because most armies Off fw need some serious retooling.

And if they start nerfing things they could really hurt certain armies (*cough* csm *cough*).
   
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I hope they add the Sisters of Silence tank to the Talons list that GW is making with PA.

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 Crazyterran wrote:
I hope they add the Sisters of Silence tank to the Talons list that GW is making with PA.

Yeah that thing is awesome. But they won't add a fw unit in a pa. They'll do it in the new fw books if they do. Hope they do, even though I don't play sos, I'd still love to see it on the table.
   
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All the indexes are gone from the fw sight, including ebooks. I know this could be due to the current situation, but all the other ebooks are still up and physical books are listed as "temporarily out of stock".

Am I reading too much into this? Or are the current books gone?
   
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Gw was basically running them down on stock to nothing. It makes sense to pull the ebooks as well because its all outdated and the last thing they want is to have to process refunds for ebooks purchased so close to the release of the new book.

Of course the current situation might well have resulted in a delay to these plans, however as the withdrawl costs them nothing and can be done from home etc.... then they've gone ahead with it.

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 Overread wrote:
Gw was basically running them down on stock to nothing. It makes sense to pull the ebooks as well because its all outdated and the last thing they want is to have to process refunds for ebooks purchased so close to the release of the new book.

Of course the current situation might well have resulted in a delay to these plans, however as the withdrawl costs them nothing and can be done from home etc.... then they've gone ahead with it.

But if they've gone ahead and pulled the ebooks doesn't that mean the new books are close to release? Maybe a preview this weekend? That's what I was hoping.
   
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he maybee we get some working FW nids for a change?

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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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Not Online!!! wrote:
he maybee we get some working FW nids for a change?

And orks, daemons, etc. So you think pulling the books means we're close to hearing something? It would fit the recent pattern of pulling something before news (Ghaz, Mephiston, Ragnar, etc).
   
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There's definitely a lot of stuff that needs to be looked at, but unfortunately we need to be patient and play the waiting game.

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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Yes but pulling the ebooks seems to be a sign. Gw doesn't give up free money just for anything and they continuing to sell other ebooks during the crisis.

What they do in the new Indexes could make or break some armies, csm and Custodes in particular.
   
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What is the general opinion on whether we think new rules will provided in addition to a re-write of the old rules?

As someone with a reasonable Mechanicum collection, I was gutted when Fires of Cyraxus got canned (which was meant to include 40k rules for many 30k Mechanicum units).

I personally think we might... But at the same time, really do not want to get my hopes up too much.

FW seems in a weird place at the moment. Do we also get updated rules for OOP units? DKK Grenadiers got blammed a while back, do we expect them (and other blammed units) to still crop up in the new FW rules?
   
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Wigum211 wrote:
What is the general opinion on whether we think new rules will provided in addition to a re-write of the old rules?

As someone with a reasonable Mechanicum collection, I was gutted when Fires of Cyraxus got canned (which was meant to include 40k rules for many 30k Mechanicum units).

I personally think we might... But at the same time, really do not want to get my hopes up too much.

FW seems in a weird place at the moment. Do we also get updated rules for OOP units? DKK Grenadiers got blammed a while back, do we expect them (and other blammed units) to still crop up in the new FW rules?


Grenadiers might get a pass since the rest of the DKoK line still exists. They could bring them back at any time like they did with the Gorgon.

I'm more inclined to suspect that a new book won't have rules for Renegades & Heretics or Elysians, given the 'no model, no rules' policy. If they also don't repeat rules for the various FW units that no longer have models, that would free up a lot of space for Mechanicum stuff.

   
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I just hope they actually update all the unit's and don't just leave certain models that have been give pdf rules hanging as most of them like a lot of FW models arw over paying in points when compaired to codex options.
   
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Ice_can wrote:
I just hope they actually update all the unit's and don't just leave certain models that have been give pdf rules hanging as most of them like a lot of FW models arw over paying in points when compaired to codex options.

Points costs are the biggest concern imho. My fellblade's and dreadclaw's rules are fine, they're just too fething expensive.
   
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Gadzilla666 wrote:
Ice_can wrote:
I just hope they actually update all the unit's and don't just leave certain models that have been give pdf rules hanging as most of them like a lot of FW models arw over paying in points when compaired to codex options.

Points costs are the biggest concern imho. My fellblade's and dreadclaw's rules are fine, they're just too fething expensive.

This is true. Most of the datasheets are FINE when it comes to RAI, and maybe some just need some adjusting with wording. What isn't fine is the point costs. At most we just need rules for various Chapters, Craftworlds, and Septs that popped up in their books, and then price adjustments.

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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Let's hope that Step 1 was a keyword sweep...

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...

tneva82 wrote:
You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something... 
   
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 catbarf wrote:
Wigum211 wrote:
What is the general opinion on whether we think new rules will provided in addition to a re-write of the old rules?

As someone with a reasonable Mechanicum collection, I was gutted when Fires of Cyraxus got canned (which was meant to include 40k rules for many 30k Mechanicum units).

I personally think we might... But at the same time, really do not want to get my hopes up too much.

FW seems in a weird place at the moment. Do we also get updated rules for OOP units? DKK Grenadiers got blammed a while back, do we expect them (and other blammed units) to still crop up in the new FW rules?


Grenadiers might get a pass since the rest of the DKoK line still exists. They could bring them back at any time like they did with the Gorgon.

I'm more inclined to suspect that a new book won't have rules for Renegades & Heretics or Elysians, given the 'no model, no rules' policy. If they also don't repeat rules for the various FW units that no longer have models, that would free up a lot of space for Mechanicum stuff.


I doubt.
If anything the mechanicum stuff will be in another book, because more booksales.

As for R&H and Elysians. I don't know. i sure hope not. I don't want to get squatted or corsair'ed and recent releases make that a bit iffy atleast in regards to R&H.


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 Dysartes wrote:
Let's hope that Step 1 was a keyword sweep...



In what context?
Missing keywords? Interactions?

There have been a lot of missing ones for those IA indexes i had but that was hardly the worst of the problems i have seen within the IA books.

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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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What I expect to see is pretty simple:
1. Everything on the Forgeworld website will bet in the various books if not already in the Codexes, divided in a way to make the books roughly even in size.
2. Anything not on the Forgeworld website will be in an accompanying Legends release.
3. Rules, such as Chapter Traits and Stratagems for the various Forgeworld forces. Might include Death Corp of Kreig and Eylsians (or they might be in Legends).
4. Cleaned up rules for everything. If the rules is very out of line with Codex units for the army, expect it to change to be closer to those for units in the Codex. Don't expect many overlapping keywords, because they just might have learned how bad those can be by now.
   
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Not Online!!! wrote:
I doubt.
If anything the mechanicum stuff will be in another book, because more booksales.

As for R&H and Elysians. I don't know. i sure hope not. I don't want to get squatted or corsair'ed and recent releases make that a bit iffy atleast in regards to R&H.


Maybe the R&H list will get a final Legends list- or the old list will be declared to be Legends without modification- in preparation for a wider Lost and the Damned re-release. I know this is being wildly optimistic, and Codex:LatD will probably release the day after plastic greatcoat Guardsmen and the day before a return of the Squats, but the renegades in Blackstone Fortress are at least something.

But with GW being GW I can't see them releasing active rules for armies they no longer sell, like Elysians, where the entire range is gone. R&H have a better chance of sticking around because they were heavily based on conversion to begin with, but after seeing what GW did with Corsairs I'm prepared to be disappointed.

Sorry if that sounds overly negative- I have FW R&H so I fully understand the situation it puts you in if GW decides to squat them.

 alextroy wrote:
3. Rules, such as Chapter Traits and Stratagems for the various Forgeworld forces. Might include Death Corp of Kreig and Eylsians (or they might be in Legends).


Both Elysians and DKoK have some very substantial differences from the codex army lists, not least of which are unique units that don't have codex equivalents, such as DKoK Engineers or Elysian sniper teams. There are also subtle differences, like both DKoK and Elysian sergeants having lasguns as standard rather than laspistol+CCW. They'd need more than just army traits/stratagems- unless they're gutted into a poor imitation of what they currently are.

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