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The models are already long produced and out to the warehousing at this point.

From a business perspective they are in one of the most frustrating positions possible. They have stock that is literally just an asset on a balance sheet, stock that they will have paid for, or soon be paying for.

If the lockdown proceeds, they may be forced into a corner in regards to releasing rules digitally just to maintain the cashflow.

This is a position not unique to GW, most manufacturing companies will be in a very similar boat.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

Covid19 is what's going on. GW is holding off on all releases (except White Dwarf it seems) until after everything calms down.

Covid19 is what made GW doing the "biggest online preview ever". Everything was previewed, except the next PA book engine war.

That preview is only half done, so it might still be to come.

Probably not though, as it's all stuff that was meant to be showcased at Adepticon. At most it'd be more models, not rules.

GW is holding off on hyping up the rules until they know when they're actually going to be able/forced to release the book. People got pissed over the Makari preview being so far ahead of the actual release of the book, so it's not suprising they'd hold back for what could be a few months of delays.

Its very unlikely they will go back to preview engine war when they already did war of the spider.

 p5freak wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

Covid19 is what's going on. GW is holding off on all releases (except White Dwarf it seems) until after everything calms down.

Covid19 is what made GW doing the "biggest online preview ever". Everything was previewed, except the next PA book engine war.

Engine War had already been previewed at an earlier event. There’s nothing left to preview except rules, which never preview until the week before the preorder anyway.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

Covid19 is what's going on. GW is holding off on all releases (except White Dwarf it seems) until after everything calms down.

Covid19 is what made GW doing the "biggest online preview ever". Everything was previewed, except the next PA book engine war.

Engine War had already been previewed at an earlier event. There’s nothing left to preview except rules, which never preview until the week before the preorder anyway.

But I want to know what the rules are... NOW.

 Kanluwen wrote:
The models are already long produced and out to the warehousing at this point.

I'd not be so sure of that, GW catalogue is enormous now and they produce most things in house, plus I thought we were able to track the Sister's army boxes crossing the Atlantic?
The stock needs to be ready six weeks before release, in order to reach China/Japan and isn't it usually a month and a half or two months when super popular new releases that sell out quickly come back in stock?

I don't think GW do Just In Time manufacturing, but I reckon their turn around times are a lot quicker than we're used to thinking - being ready in the warehouses for shipping a week before the pre-order or so perhaps (longer for the UK, obviously).

So Engine War is probably ready, assuming they had done the UK/EU batch. But if the local stuff is left til the last minute - three weeks of lockdown might well have impacted the supplies going to 75% of their customer base.

We can't pre-order yet, so how would they know how much to produce? It's probably safe to say it's not really ready to ship at all.

Once pre-orders go up they judge the response and ramp up production accordingly. At least that's how I'd do it if I had a sufficiently efficient production in place.

But yeah...no rules is a killer, I cant even begin to pre-order without rules

Octovol wrote:
We can't pre-order yet, so how would they know how much to produce? It's probably safe to say it's not really ready to ship at all.

Once pre-orders go up they judge the response and ramp up production accordingly. At least that's how I'd do it if I had a sufficiently efficient production in place.

But yeah...no rules is a killer, I cant even begin to pre-order without rules

They're not doing a Made to Order wave every new release.

They build up stock, warehouse it, and then sell it. If they need to make more--they make more after marking it as "out of stock".

The most recent voxcast in which Jes and Darren talk about designing the admech is awesome. Highly recommended.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/voxcast-podcast/

Great, admech gets previews, admech gets talked about in podcasts, and no word on the other factions. GW must really, really love the imperium, and hate every other non imperium faction. Ok, imperial knights werent mentioned either.

 p5freak wrote:
Great, admech gets previews, admech gets talked about in podcasts, and no word on the other factions. GW must really, really love the imperium, and hate every other non imperium faction. Ok, imperial knights werent mentioned either.

Well, about time they give a little love to some imperial factions after being on such a blatant Chaos-lovefest since Vigilus and before, not to mention giving them double-heading with PA now.

At least let other factions enjoy their little spotlight if and when they do get them and before we move on to Fabius and Chaos Marines again.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Great, admech gets previews, admech gets talked about in podcasts, and no word on the other factions. GW must really, really love the imperium, and hate every other non imperium faction. Ok, imperial knights werent mentioned either.

Well, about time they give a little love to some imperial factions after being on such a blatant Chaos-lovefest since Vigilus and before, not to mention giving them double-heading with PA now.

At least let other factions enjoy their little spotlight if and when they do get them and before we move on to Fabius and Chaos Marines again.

This is trolling at this point, yeah? I mean, ok, Chaos gets more than xenos, but Space Marines get the most. You act like Chaos gets more than Marines. The multitude of SM separate books would like to set you straight. Nobody is amused by your constant “Chaos gets everything”. Just...drop the joke. We actually all think you’re just complaining for real at this point, because the horse is beaten so badly I’m gonna name him Glenn.

You're both off topic, so knock it off. This is my thread. If you want to fight about Chaos getting love or not getting love, take it to PM.

 Kanluwen wrote:
. If you want to fight about Chaos getting love or not getting love, take it to PM.

in fact anything that is not directly related to the actual topic is best discussed elsewhere.

I actually haven't taken a look at any of this yet, and just got a chance to peruse it.

The Archaeopter simultaneously looks painfully stupid, and yet amazing. I want to find a good reason to hate it, but I can't, it works really well, about the only thing I can criticize it the "bat" style wings look a bit off/incapable, but that's hardly the worst sin in 40k kits. I really like the big cockpit canopy and the landing legs.

The flying infantry look pretty sweet, but imma take a hard pass on painting those things.

The cavalry dudes...I'm less enthused about. I really hate most implementations of classic cavalry in 40k, and I find the concept of AdMech horse cavalry particularly silly, but at least these are sufficiently mechanical/industrial looking to not look quite as absurd as say, Thunderwoof cavalry or Attilan Rough Riders

Agreed 1000 times. If Sunny Side Up wants to argue about chaos releases I invite him to create a thread on the subject in General, where I and I'm sure other chaos players will be glad to argue with him. Till then please stick to the topic and stop giving the MODS headaches.

I'll take my own advice and shut up on this in the thread. My apologies to the MODS and Kanluwen.

 Vaktathi wrote:
The cavalry dudes...I'm less enthused about. I really hate most implementations of classic cavalry in 40k, and I find the concept of AdMech horse cavalry particularly silly, but at least these are sufficiently mechanical/industrial looking to not look quite as absurd as say, Thunderwoof cavalry or Attilan Rough Riders

In that interview with Jes and Darren they talk about how the mounts are in fact based on greyhounds. Makes me appreciate the design all the more. Also if the flamer faces look weird, they mention that they had to make an alternate design but weren't given any guidelines for that, so sorta winged it

Jes said something to the effect that they wanted to make any alternate design "more recognizable".

I enjoyed Jes' reaction to finding out that the Vanguard all have robotic arms.

 Boss Salvage wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
The cavalry dudes...I'm less enthused about. I really hate most implementations of classic cavalry in 40k, and I find the concept of AdMech horse cavalry particularly silly, but at least these are sufficiently mechanical/industrial looking to not look quite as absurd as say, Thunderwoof cavalry or Attilan Rough Riders

In that interview with Jes and Darren they talk about how the mounts are in fact based on greyhounds. Makes me appreciate the design all the more. Also if the flamer faces look weird, they mention that they had to make an alternate design but weren't given any guidelines for that, so sorta winged it

They're also supposed to be more Mastiff themed, face wise.
Also they're dog cavalry inspired by the famous Khans and their Mongrel horde of Old Earth.

I am simply very impressed that they designed the bodies such that a model which I look at and see 'horse' immediately and undeniably, turns into a model which I look at and see 'hound' immediately and undeniably with just a head swap. Simply swapping the heads completely changes the animal it looks like (to me) and neither version looks awkward or vague. That is some serious design skill there and my compliments to whoever was involved.

I think the Hounds are one of the Admechs best looking (non FW) models they have.After listening to the voxcast w Jes & Darren, it just makes me more excited to see what is in store for us after the Engine War release.

I think the cavalry looks great. Prefer the wing'd guys those. They're fun.

 p5freak wrote:
Everything was previewed, except the next PA book engine war.

Why would they preview it? They've already revealed the minis for it, and the reveals of content would come via WarCom articles leading up to its release*, not a preview event. About the only thing they can preview now for Engine War is when it will come out, but I doubt they know at this point.

*Now delayed, so those previews would be delayed as well.

The lack of any news about deamons is stunning.
The book may be all about admech and that's it.

Daemons, Knights and Spiky Knights will get more or less the same PA treatment any PA faction without new models got thus far.

Perhaps a few new Strats if they are among the more generous PA factions, perhaps some "unit upgrades" similar to Kustom Jobs and Adaptive Biology, etc.. which seems like an obvious thing for daemons, especially underused units. e.g. upgrade a unit of bloodcrushes for 1 CP to be super-bloodcrushers or whatever.

But those Saturday-previews are miniature-previews, not rule or background previews (which doesn't mean it might've been nice (or it might've been a disaster) if GW did some rules-snippet previews from the various stuff they've shown, but they ain't doing that atm).

mortar_crew wrote:
The lack of any news about deamons is stunning.
The book may be all about admech and that's it.

Well they weren't exactly rumoured to be getting new models now were they?

Any rule previews comes after preorders are announced. And since that's going to be after lockdown at earliest that's not surprising. Anybody not getting any models won't get much of leaks because besides rules what there is to leak? And rules comes once preorders are announced.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Daemons, Knights and Spiky Knights will get more or less the same PA treatment any PA faction without new models got thus far.

Perhaps a few new Strats if they are among the more generous PA factions, perhaps some "unit upgrades" similar to Kustom Jobs and Adaptive Biology, etc.. which seems like an obvious thing for daemons, especially underused units. e.g. upgrade a unit of bloodcrushes for 1 CP to be super-bloodcrushers or whatever.

But those Saturday-previews are miniature-previews, not rule or background previews (which doesn't mean it might've been nice (or it might've been a disaster) if GW did some rules-snippet previews from the various stuff they've shown, but they ain't doing that atm).

What most of the factions in engine was need is not new strategums it's just better balance and also bonuses for not souping.

Ice_can wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Daemons, Knights and Spiky Knights will get more or less the same PA treatment any PA faction without new models got thus far.

Perhaps a few new Strats if they are among the more generous PA factions, perhaps some "unit upgrades" similar to Kustom Jobs and Adaptive Biology, etc.. which seems like an obvious thing for daemons, especially underused units. e.g. upgrade a unit of bloodcrushes for 1 CP to be super-bloodcrushers or whatever.

But those Saturday-previews are miniature-previews, not rule or background previews (which doesn't mean it might've been nice (or it might've been a disaster) if GW did some rules-snippet previews from the various stuff they've shown, but they ain't doing that atm).

What most of the factions in engine was need is not new strategums it's just better balance and also bonuses for not souping.

Indeed, more options for meaningful choices and flexibility.

Ice_can wrote:


What most of the factions in engine was need is not new strategums it's just better balance and also bonuses for not souping.

That's not been the trend with non-Marine factions in PA though.

Again, GW could do something completely different and unique. Or they could "Ynnari" it, simply re-print the newish Slaanesh Datasheets and call it a day.

I was just posting speculations based on past releases.

Unit-unique-upgrades has made some poorly balanced units somewhat more popular (e.g. Tyranid Exocrine, Tau Crisis Suits), so that might be something we see again.

Similarly, GW likes to repeat mechanical ideas, like the "no-deepstrike-wihtin-12" rule first in the GSC Codex and later rolled out to Marines, Alpha Legion, Tau, etc.., the "cannot-wound-on-1-to-X"rule first in Chaos Knights and later re-purposed for Transhuman, etc.., so perhaps a strat or spell or WL-trait-version of the Ghazkhull-rule is likely to show up in the next couple of books until the writers get bored with it. Etc..

Doctrine-equivalents for non-souping haven't been a thing outside of Marines (and the Sisters Codex), so that idea seems to have faded again, it seems. I'd be surprised to see non-Marines get a variant of that at this point. But again, GW is rarely predictable and the worst "rumours" are usually those that people expecting future GW releases to match past GW releases.