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Is that redone Forge World Dogmas I potentially spy?

Since there are datasheets for older stuff like
Slaanesh chariots and seekers , I am curious to see which changes
this could imply...

No name generators for Knights or Chaos Knights. Without those why would anyone buy this book?

Clearly this book is nothing but filler nonsense...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No name generators for Knights or Chaos Knights. Without those why would anyone buy this book?

Clearly this book is nothing but filler nonsense...

Eh? Page 57 and 67 respectively.

mortar_crew wrote:
Since there are datasheets for older stuff like
Slaanesh chariots and seekers , I am curious to see which changes
this could imply...

My guess is they're just reprinting stuff again to fill space (or -maybe- cut down on reference books)

Ah, they're in the middle of each section, unlike everywhere else where they're at the end. Ok, crisis averted. The book is now worth the price.

Also nice that the new Start Collecting doesn't come with the Tech-Priest Dominos. I think I have... 5 of them. Don't want any more thanks.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Is that redone Forge World Dogmas I potentially spy?

The answer is...maybe?

Better bet is on it being custom dogmas though.

Okay, please tell me I'm not crazy--it says there's 3 items on page 50 right? Dogmas, AdMech Name Generator, and Canticles of the Omnissiah...then it jumps to page 54 for Imperial Knights?

The datasheets in the daemon section are exactly the same as the ones in Chapter Approved 2019. Which were a reprint of the ones from White Dwarf, plus the chariots. Not impressed.

What were you expecting, exactly?

The Psychic Awakening books are consolidating stuff from various sources into one spot.

Given it's an update to Daemons, makes more sense to have all the updated rules consolidated into one area. If anything it makes it easier on Daemon players.

 Kanluwen wrote:
What were you expecting, exactly?

The Psychic Awakening books are consolidating stuff from various sources into one spot.

New stuff? I didn’t check, are they including the daemon name generator again?

Crackedgear wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
What were you expecting, exactly?

The Psychic Awakening books are consolidating stuff from various sources into one spot.

New stuff? I didn’t check, are they including the daemon name generator again?

Yes.

And at this point its clear that all the new stuff went to AdMech, and its rather amazing that they're getting so much. PA in general hasn't been much of a source for new models.

They're all army updates for 9th, as many of us suspected early on.

Crackedgear wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
What were you expecting, exactly?

The Psychic Awakening books are consolidating stuff from various sources into one spot.

New stuff? I didn’t check, are they including the daemon name generator again?

A huge disappointment for daemons. They need an update. Tzeentch psykers are overcosted, and their psychic powers are pretty much useless. Locus of trickery is useless.

 p5freak wrote:

Crackedgear wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
What were you expecting, exactly?

The Psychic Awakening books are consolidating stuff from various sources into one spot.

New stuff? I didn’t check, are they including the daemon name generator again?

A huge disappointment for daemons. They need an update. Tzeentch psykers are overcosted, and their psychic powers are pretty much useless.

Well, Slaanesh psychic powers are not exactly overpowered either.
I see your point.

Slaanesh deamons also the only spellcasters that have no way to create spawns
which is rather annoying because,
well it used to Slaanesh thing with the (granted, old) Fleshy Curse spell...


Obviously it looks to be light on real content for deamons.

I would still like to know what they changed for chariots, and the seekers.

Shame there is nothing about heralds, since the loss of the steed option
(for all gods that is) is still something I would like to be adressed.

Oh and not even a point update or minor rule change for that poor thing
that is the soul grinder...

Bit early to say it is a disappointment when we do not know the rules content.

Even something as simple as a few overpowered stratagems can dramatically change an army's performance. 'Sooper Daemoniac Assault: 1CP when deploying a daemons unit from reserve, 3" minimum from enemy units instead of 9"'

From looking at the index Daemons are getting the most non Datasheets rules in this book. Legions Daemonica seems to be 2 pages with pickable Daemon Legions. The Infinite Forms of Corruption could be about a new summoning system, or new psychic stuff, or unit upgrades, either way its also 2 pages of rules. And then there are 2 pages each dedicated to Greater Daemons. 12 pages in total. Admech only has 7 pages of rules. The bloat comes from New Datasheets and the Fluff for the new stuff. Knights don't even have 12 pages in total each.

mortar_crew wrote:
Since there are datasheets for older stuff like
Slaanesh chariots and seekers , I am curious to see which changes
this could imply...

Not neccessarily anything. Just collecting stuff under one book. Especially if the slaanesh stuff was previously in WD now it doesn't require hunting down OOP WD. Ynnari WD to PA port was 100% carbon copy as well.

For anyone excited to see "what they've done with the Slaanesh chariots"... Perhaps read CA2019 which has full datasheets for them. Spoiler alert, not much.

Looking at the Chaos Daemons contents for Engine War:

3 pages Chaos Daemons - fluff.

1 page Lords of the Warp - more fluff? or Grey Knight style mono faction tides of the warp rules?

1 page Keepers of Secrets - sounds like fluff, which makes me think Lords of the Warp is fluff too.

10 pages Datasheets that both GW and apparently their own customers forgot was printed in a GW book 6 months ago.

2 pages Infinite Forms of Corruption - sounds like kustom jobz or prototype systems, doesn't sound like Grey Knight style tides of the warp rules.

2 pages strategems - i think people also forget that Chaos Daemons have over 50 datasheets in their book (because 30+ of them have been so woeful in 8th), I really wish this had been 3 pages or I really hope these aren't unit specific strats.

8 pages for the Greater Daemons - wow, they really haven't sold as many £85 model kits as they wanted huh! I wonder if they will get new free rules such as maybe a wound limit per phase like Ghaz or if these are just rules they will have to spend CP to get.

I'm curious to see when the exalted daemon rules are going to be. There are of course the FW models, but I don't think that will be addressed. Maybe now greater daemons can truly be a force to be reckoned with on the field.

You guys must be really fun at parties lol.

Bear in mind most of admech's current power comes from our strategms. So it's very possible to make an army better without filing it full of new datasheets and rules.

Cinderspirit wrote:
From looking at the index Daemons are getting the most non Datasheets rules in this book. Legions Daemonica seems to be 2 pages with pickable Daemon Legions. The Infinite Forms of Corruption could be about a new summoning system, or new psychic stuff, or unit upgrades, either way its also 2 pages of rules. And then there are 2 pages each dedicated to Greater Daemons. 12 pages in total. Admech only has 7 pages of rules. The bloat comes from New Datasheets and the Fluff for the new stuff. Knights don't even have 12 pages in total each.

I have a feeling Legions Daemonica might just be fluff, since it comes before the Keepers of Secrets section, which is seperate to the Keeper of Secret datasheet and thus is also likely just fluff.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I'm curious to see when the exalted daemon rules are going to be. There are of course the FW models, but I don't think that will be addressed. Maybe now greater daemons can truly be a force to be reckoned with on the field.

Hopefully they have learned from AoS that making the exalted daemons awful isn't a good way to generate sales.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

Cinderspirit wrote:
From looking at the index Daemons are getting the most non Datasheets rules in this book. Legions Daemonica seems to be 2 pages with pickable Daemon Legions. The Infinite Forms of Corruption could be about a new summoning system, or new psychic stuff, or unit upgrades, either way its also 2 pages of rules. And then there are 2 pages each dedicated to Greater Daemons. 12 pages in total. Admech only has 7 pages of rules. The bloat comes from New Datasheets and the Fluff for the new stuff. Knights don't even have 12 pages in total each.

I have a feeling Legions Daemonica might just be fluff, since it comes before the Keepers of Secrets section, which is seperate to the Keeper of Secret datasheet and thus is also likely just fluff.

Well you are kinda right, Legions Daemonica comes before Datasheets, so it may be just my hope. But still it comes after Keepers of Secrets, which is surely Fluff only.

But still it would be 12 pages of rules, I forgot to count the Stratagems. I really hope there is some good stuff.

I don’t recognize the Exalted greater daemons. Are those new, or is my copy of the data scribe files old?

I wish they would reprint the warp storm table
Just kidding folks, a name generator and coherrent horror rules will do fine.



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 solkan wrote:
I don’t recognize the Exalted greater daemons. Are those new, or is my copy of the data scribe files old?

Usually the big Forge World daemons.

Yeah... assuming fluff for the top sections. Which is a bit limiting but there you go. If you look at the Admech it seems quite transparent. Suspect "Keepers of Secrets" is just going to be about... Keepers of Secrets. Because they haven't been shown off in a proper book yet.

Infinite Forms of Corruption might be a Grey Knight style Mechanic but it could also just be a few alternate Loci you can choose from.

Would expect the Exalted Greater Daemons to be like Master of Sanctity, Chief Apothecary etc. Gain some rule, unlock some warlord traits, relics etc.

Well no rules just some designer commentary on designing admech

Link: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/05/25/adeptus-mechanicus-designing-the-reinforcementsgw-homepage-post-4/

Some nice concept art to be had there!

 BrookM wrote:
Link: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/05/25/adeptus-mechanicus-designing-the-reinforcementsgw-homepage-post-4/

Some nice concept art to be had there!

Very nice indeed!

Those drawings (and all the others that we cannot see behind the scene)
would make an amazing Gothic & Eldritch line of artbooks. Jes rules!

Someone doesn't understand how revolvers work right there.

I wonder why there is a ships anchor floating under it? Inside joke maybe lol.