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I missed the 2 pages of Legiones Daemonica before the datasheets! That does actually give me some optimism.

This was the name they used for the Chaos Daemons faction in the latest version of Apocalypse.

Maybe they have finally decided to use <LEGIONES> as the faction keyword rather than <DAEMONS>. This way they can actually be clear and specific about which rules they want just the Codex Daemons to have and which rules they want to also be soupable with CSM, TSons and DG.

I'm also pretty certain that despite being called Exalted Bloodthirsters, Exalted Lords of Change, etc, that those rules are for improving the normal GW plastic £85 kits, not for the forge world resin versions (£107, £131, £168 and £173 for anyone keeping score).

The issue with for example Lords of Change, is that you can make one good one with the 3++ relic and the -1 damage warlord trait, but you can't make a second good one. Also, if you do take two, guess which one is getting shot first. So 2 pages of rules that let you make a sort of knight lance of three functional Lords of Change makes sense to me.

I’m hopeful that it’s rules for the gw big guys. I’m not a fan of the forge world keeper of secrets or lord of change.

I'd be very surprised if FW units ended up in a general GW release. Of course, no one really knows just what the hell GW is doing with FW's rules, so maybe this is a preview of what's to come when GW redoes the IA indices?

Well the FW one isn't an Exalted Lord of Change.. It's Aetaosraukeres, right?

So maybe its just a boosted LoC and thats it.

 Brometheus wrote:
Well the FW one isn't an Exalted Lord of Change.. It's Aetaosraukeres, right?

So maybe its just a boosted LoC and thats it.

I Just remember the FW greater daemons has been called exalted greater daemons before. But only place Im sure now was the storm of magic book at the end of fantasy battle era.
A quick google search for "Exalted greater daemon" also suggest strongly its the FW big guys.
However, it do sound strange that they would include FW models.

Prices.

Start Collecting is reasonable. Rest....bit Oof.

Oof indeed, was thinking about getting some of the cogboys, but that's beyond my budget for the time being.

Shouldn’t be too awful from a discounted retailer. But even so. Oof.


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Start Collecting retails at GW for £88, and if memory serves some of the kits are in for an increase anyway?

However, taking out the Enginseer as you’ll only need so many of those, it’s arguable a value for £18. Saving £10 is nice, of course it is, but even so.

Here was thinking GW was just a business trying to make money... or so I've been told.



Umm, the GW webstore is down again ("We sold too much today, so you can't browse the website!" - this is dumb GW!), but can anyone tell me what the equivalencies are? Like what Marine kit is £35? What other units are £60? Or £22.50?

Hydra for the smaller boxed sets and a Start Collecting! Militarum Tempestus for the new AdMech one.

do we know how many minis are in the pteraxii and raiders box, 5s or 10s ?


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Here was thinking GW was just a business trying to make money... or so I've been told.



Umm, the GW webstore is down again ("We sold too much today, so you can't browse the website!" - this is dumb GW!), but can anyone tell me what the equivalencies are? Like what Marine kit is £35? What other units are £60? Or £22.50?

£60 is all the expensive start collectings, and Death Guard Deathshrouds are £35

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Prices.

Start Collecting is reasonable. Rest....bit Oof.

Somebody have a currency conversion chart for this crap. Hard to say if those would be the prices in other countries when they get there esp. With tax involved but an approximate amount is better than nothing.

I honestly expected the horses to cost about 50 to 55 USD. Considering how each new gw kit costs more and more. It wasn't that unexpected.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
do we know how many minis are in the pteraxii and raiders box, 5s or 10s ?

Five flyers, three cogboys per boxed set.

In $AUS I got told the flyer will be $165 and $98 for both the Raiders/Hounds (3 to a box) and the Pteraxii (5 to a box).

I thought the shop owner was joking but those prices in pounds also match up to the start collecting primaris vanguard and the primaris 10 figure kits, like intercessors, reivers etc

£35 for 5 non-troop infantry - or 3 cavalry - feels expensive (because it is), but has sort of become the going rate.

But £60 for the flyer is a joke. Expect either brokenly good rules or they are just not going to shift.

But then maybe I just have the kit all wrong. I've been assuming its a relatively cheap 150 points sort of flyer with several variants - the sort of level where if you take one, you probably take three. If its a 250-300 ish point centre piece - like say a Repulsor Executioner or whatever - then... maybe its more acceptable (even if you then want to take three.)

Tyel wrote:
£35 for 5 non-troop infantry - or 3 cavalry - feels expensive (because it is), but has sort of become the going rate.

But £60 for the flyer is a joke. Expect either brokenly good rules or they are just not going to shift.

But then maybe I just have the kit all wrong. I've been assuming its a relatively cheap 150 points sort of flyer with several variants - the sort of level where if you take one, you probably take three. If its a 250-300 ish point centre piece - like say a Repulsor Executioner or whatever - then... maybe its more acceptable (even if you then want to take three.)

Considering just about every flying model is included in the price hike and they've gone out of their way to point out the improvements to flying units this edition, something tells me they're going to be pretty broken.

 Arbitrator wrote:
Considering just about every flying model is included in the price hike and they've gone out of their way to point out the improvements to flying units this edition, something tells me they're going to be pretty broken.

Possibly, but I'm not sure how broken a model which just seems to have a lot of stubbers can be.
I guess they can always be super stubbers, shooting Sulfurous death rounds (AP-3, 2 damage), that only appear on these planes because... they just do okay.
(Apologies if the rules have been leaked and I just missed them.)

Tyel wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
Considering just about every flying model is included in the price hike and they've gone out of their way to point out the improvements to flying units this edition, something tells me they're going to be pretty broken.

Possibly, but I'm not sure how broken a model which just seems to have a lot of stubbers can be.
I guess they can always be super stubbers, shooting Sulfurous death rounds (AP-3, 2 damage), that only appear on these planes because... they just do okay.
(Apologies if the rules have been leaked and I just missed them.)

I really, really dont like the amount of stubbers admech get.
Its okey for the dunecrawler, because you dont want to waste your good weapons on cultists.
Its borderline ok for the Skorpius because its either a transport or has actually rockets and a main gun.
But I dont get it with this plane, now if it doesnt ignore movement penalties and doesnt have an invuln like the skorpius for whatever reason then I dont think I will get it.

Each day I'm surprised by how reasonable is AoS becoming compared with 40k.

I mean. Compare the Ossiarch Bonereapers prices with this, with 45€ for 20 morterk guard vs 45€ por 5 flying mechanicus boys.

 Galas wrote:
Each day I'm surprised by how reasonable is AoS becoming compared with 40k.

I mean. Compare the Ossiarch Bonereapers prices with this, with 45€ for 20 morterk guard vs 45€ por 5 flying mechanicus boys.

Daughters of Kaine reasonable? Not all AoS are more reasonable than 40k, and some of the more reasonably-priced armies like Ogors are getting a price increase.


Regarding the AdMech prices: AdMech was the first army I started after returning to 40k and I have collected a decent 2000 point list. I was seriously considering getting the coptor, but GW has priced me out of collecting future models for this army. AdMech units in particular were expensive to begin with but these new prices are simply unacceptable to me for what you get.

Daughters of Khaine haven't been reasonably priced since they were still part of the Dark Elf range. It's the dual kit nature, y'see.

AdMech's range wasn't that bad, aside from the Cult stuff which was overpriced thanks to stuff being Ogryn sized Troops(Kataphron) and the exceedingly 'meh' Electropriests.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Prices.

Start Collecting is reasonable. Rest....bit Oof.

What's that translate to in real money, 50$ for the mounted boys?

Honestly, about what I expected.

I will most likely get a couple boxes of the riders for my admech. Anything that makes admech playstyles more interesting I'm game for. I also own 3 of the ostrich riders and I think that says something about me :/

That is actually what I was expecting prices to be, weird enough.

Am I going mental, or is the book £5 more than the previous volumes?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Am I going mental, or is the book £5 more than the previous volumes?

Quick check implies they have all been £25 RRP, which from a discount FLG wis about £20.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Daughters of Khaine haven't been reasonably priced since they were still part of the Dark Elf range. It's the dual kit nature, y'see.

AdMech's range wasn't that bad, aside from the Cult stuff which was overpriced thanks to stuff being Ogryn sized Troops(Kataphron) and the exceedingly 'meh' Electropriests.

Oh, Admech is one of the most expensive armies to currently build. Most builds average .66-.75 dollar per point. The only one worse is GSC. The skorpius skewed it more and this new stuff will sku it even more. Current mech build is just over $1200 retail for 2k. That using start collectings to bring the cost down. And that's without any of the most expensive point per dollar units like kataphrons or striders.

Im toying with the Idea to use Morgul knights, what do you think of this idea?
Its cheap, you get more, just have to buy oval bases
I have all the skitarii bits needed.
I can mechanize the Horse, give it a flamer for a head even.
Swap out the head and arms of the riders.
The masks, shields and lances can be used for hoplites and the 40mm bases for either sicarian variant

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/788705.page

No, they'd be tiny.

 Kanluwen wrote:
No, they'd be tiny.

They arent really that small in comparison I believe. I have a size comparison picture in the linked thread for anyone interested.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/788705.page

 0XFallen wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
No, they'd be tiny.

They arent really that small in comparison I believe. I have a size comparison picture in the linked thread for anyone interested.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/788705.page

Your comparison is based upon an assumption that the Serberys are based on 60x35mm bases...which doesn't seem to be the case. They seem to be on the 75x42mm bases, which are the 'nominal' cavalry bases for things that are new coming out.

The 75x42mm are what things like the Vanguard Palladors are on. Yeah, the Morgul Knights would be tiny. And that's not even accounting for the fact that LOTR stuff tends to be truescale compared to 'normal' GW stuff.