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I'm still wondering if they plan to just release the ebooks or nothing. Because we got articles last week with trailer and stuff, but yesterday on engine wars was static silence. It's possible they wanted to keep the rule reveal for the lion... we'll see.

 Jjohnso11 wrote:

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Voss wrote:

strigops wrote:

Voss wrote:
Apparently I'm confused about which supplement (Spider or Engines) is coming first.


Odd story. 'Extreme measures that we did to ourselves in secret are the fault of others, so we need spiky hats now' is a dubious chain of thought.

Becuase if they didn't, others would use extreme measures. And they woudnt limit to those who manifested powers.

Because whichever chapter this is doesn't have librarians?
Space Marine chapters can and do keep 'horrible' secrets and operate independently, and sometimes blow up inquisition ships without issue (though you have to be Space Woofs for that). Having psykers that apparently just energy blast the enemies doesn't seem to justify any of this, because this is 10,000 years after Nikea and everybody but the Black Templars have those.

Its kind of a fluff failure- its PA, so they're once again sorta vaguely trying to double down on 'psykers are a problem' thread, but librarians are so ubiquitous in SM armies that it falls flat, and the jump to chaos and full traitor thinking is just bizzarely unjustified within the story itself.

There's a difference between someone being a psyker since birth (or showing them after implantation) and trained by the chapter from induction to control and utilise those powers in as risk free manner as possible, and random people suddenly developing powers. One of those is accepted (for the most part) by the authorities i.e the Inquisition. The other gets you a fast ticket to exterminatus.

My assumption is it would have to be a mutation that has afflicted the person suddenly now able to control psychic powers and/or a deal or pact made with a chaos entity that gives you those powers. But like you said if they're grown in the chapter they're identified and screened to make sure they don't have the chaos taint.

Not necessarily. The fluff states that everyone (with the few rare exceptions) has a presence in the warp. Psykers have a much stronger presence and are actively able to use the warp to power themselves and their various abilities. Now with the blackstone spires gone across large sections of the galaxy, you're possibly looking at everyone's presence being strengthened or the warp being stronger and therefore easier to access for a lower baseline of ability.

But hell, even if what I wrote is nonsense and it is a sudden mutation/chaos pact. Both are reasons for destroying a chapter. The Inquisition won't sit down with a cup of tea and ask a few questions and go away satisfied. They'll see heretics and mutants, declare them traitors and have them wiped out. It's been done before.

Exactly. There may be a benign reason for this sudden access to the powers of the warp (yeah, right), but the powers that be aren't likely to look for it. This is the Imperium of Man that will virus bomb a planet if to cleanse all signs of life to remove signs corruption if they planet's resources aren't valuable enough to dedicate military might to preserving.

And yes, renegade is the first step to falling to Chaos, but there is alway a perfectly reasonable reason for taking that first step.

I'm sure if you offer to have your whole chapter, really everyone, from the lowliest serf to the chapter master, to take a "quick" trip on a black ship and get fed to the Emperor, you can get away with telling your secret and not being instantly declared traitor or heretic. If you can find an accommodating Inquisitor that is, the hardcore puritans will likely have you killed before the black ship trip, just in case .

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Librarians aside nobody in the imperium is going to see a whole chapter of marines starting to become psychic at random as "no big deal."

I liked the story. And people like to characterize me as one of the worst blind marine haters, so...

Personaly i thought it was a good story and was a plausible slip from fanatical imperial loyalist to renegade. It wasnt the first or second time he had to do it, the anger and resentment built up over time with each sacrifice made

Most of the original Pre-Heresy Traitors found in the Legions were loyal to Legion first, then Horus, then Imperium (if at all).

So the route to Chapter/Company preserverence over blind loyalty is pretty common.

darthryan wrote:
Personaly i thought it was a good story and was a plausible slip from fanatical imperial loyalist to renegade. It wasnt the first or second time he had to do it, the anger and resentment built up over time with each sacrifice made

Same here. They will probably end up Chaos at some point but it is the difference between taking a step down the stairs and jumping off the roof.

It felt like they actually didnt want to, which makes it that much more tragic.

I think the story would have benefited from a bigger sting in the tail. It was a bit obvious what was going to happen - and I think there should have been an inquisitor or something breathing down their necks to make clear the stakes. There are however presumably limitations of word count.

Still there are theoretically loads of Marine chapters and loads of renegades that are sort of in the middle between the Imperium and Chaos. Its just easier to talk about the big 18 and a few well know successors, rather than inventing a new one in almost every piece of fluff. (Which would be more realistic given their tiny, tiny size in a massive galaxy, but also kind of dull.)

I don't think the addition of an external threat would actually add to the story. Nobody is doing this too them. They are doing it to themselves. More importantly, the Chapter Master is doing it to himself in a blind attempt to satisfy two different loyalties. That is the tragedy, his attempt to serve to masters made him betray them both. That and reaching out for help might have actually resulted in a more favorable result. His chapter isn't the first Imperial organization that needed a onsite headsman. The Blood Angels and the Imperial Guard both have organizations dedicated to lethal means of keeping people in line.

Tyel wrote:
Its just easier to talk about the big 18 and a few well know successors, rather than inventing a new one in almost every piece of fluff. (Which would be more realistic given their tiny, tiny size in a massive galaxy, but also kind of dull.)

It wouldn't be dull. Actually, a story involving a new/unfamiliar chapter becomes instantly 18,7% more interesting, at least. It can go up to becoming 56987% more interesting, too! Just look at what Astartes, the YouTube video series, did.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/04/12/psychic-awakening-the-war-of-the-spider-begins/
I guess what Bile is eviscerating here, is far worse than Chaos Primaris

Pyrosphere wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/04/12/psychic-awakening-the-war-of-the-spider-begins/
I guess what Bile is eviscerating here, is far worse than Chaos Primaris

Was that hinting at Chaos Custodes?! :O

So is the Deathgaurd fleet that came through the Tau gateway maybe?

If that means what I think it means...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PpjMWN9CVm8

Community: So chaos primaris are inevitable.
GW: Hold our beer.
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Bile paused for a moment. ‘You have to trust me one last time,’ he said. ‘I promise that I will get out of this alive and well.

Grarken nodded, shoving aside the tenacious serf again. ‘That’s what I wanted to… wait, what did you just say?’

I'll be surprised if Agents of Bile get any new models beyond Bile himself. Hope to be wrong

 Dryaktylus wrote:

Bile paused for a moment. ‘You have to trust me one last time,’ he said. ‘I promise that I will get out of this alive and well.

Grarken nodded, shoving aside the tenacious serf again. ‘That’s what I wanted to… wait, what did you just say?’

This one made me chuckle, good ol' Bill keeping it classy.

I feel like Bile and Trazyn should team up as the two most troll characters in 40k. They can twiddle their proverbial mustaches togther, laughing at how it was their plan all along.

Trazyn deserves better rules than he has. At least if he were able to still replace Lychguard as he died he'd be mildly interesting. GW couldn't even keep that.

Sooooo.…
That’ll go well…

 Morskul wrote:

Pyrosphere wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/04/12/psychic-awakening-the-war-of-the-spider-begins/
I guess what Bile is eviscerating here, is far worse than Chaos Primaris

Was that hinting at Chaos Custodes?! :O

That is terrifying.

Custodeath guard incoming!!!
(You can thank me for that )

Well with Sisters of Silence, Custodes and Primaris active all over the place Fabius is definately going to want specimens of them.

Who is it thats got the captive Grey Knight they are messing about with - is that Word Bearers

 Marshal Loss wrote:
I'll be surprised if Agents of Bile get any new models beyond Bile himself. Hope to be wrong

Well, in the video you see Bile's personal gimp and the medical servitor from the objective markers set. I don't have much hopes as well.

Agents of Bile have to be something though... I would hope for Chosen, or Beastmen but neither of those are standalone kits.

Either way, hopefully I found a use for my old CSM and Cultist models. Been wanting to do a Consortium of different Legions and renegades.

Fabius has been able to make actual primarchs since forever, I don't get the excitement about the teaser or him dissecting primaris.

 Roknar wrote:
Fabius has been able to make actual primarchs since forever, I don't get the excitement about the teaser or him dissecting primaris.

Custodes, not primaris.