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 Roknar wrote:
Fabius has been able to make actual primarchs since forever, I don't get the excitement about the teaser or him dissecting primaris.

He cloned them once. And regretted it immensely. Twice.

Once during the whole false Horus mess which shattered multiple legions, his world and laboratory, and thousands of years later when he found the clone Fulgrim had survived, and having him around was terrible for his plans and goals, and the future of his New Humanity.

Hmm. The more I think about it, I hope he does get Inquisitor treatment, in that you can build up a custom Retinue as his Consortium.

I have a bunch of old CSM and Beastmen models. How fiendishly nefarious.

Making one thing great once isn't as good as making something pretty good thousands of times. I think that's what Fabius is after, the ability to make something that's better than a marine, but mass-produced.

3rd time's the charm, right?

What's the least inspired, and most disappointing, way this can turn out? Whatever that is, it probably is what is in the book.

FB durtles around, does something that sounds interesting but ultimately fails and everything is the same as it always was, however we have a new model for him, is my bet for the likely ticket here.

 H wrote:
What's the least inspired, and most disappointing, way this can turn out? Whatever that is, it probably is what is in the book.

FB durtles around, does something that sounds interesting but ultimately fails and everything is the same as it always was, however we have a new model for him, is my bet for the likely ticket here.

My bet, Fabious tries luring the Custodes and DeathGuard into each other in the hopes he can pick up the pieces afterwards. Most of the Custodes force holds up the Deathguard while a strike team goes in to kill Fabius. Fabius escapes, but with the Deathguard in hot pursuit. Custodes have a pyric victory and celebrate "saving" the ruins of Cadia and setting two enemy factions upon one another.

Nah, the assassins are in this book too so they will be the ones after Fabulous Bill while the Custards have a good ol’ rousing game of pop-the-sapient-mobile-zit with the Death Guard.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Can i place a bet for a Chosen and cultist kit?

Maybee we even get new possessed if we are lucky.

I'd be surprised. I think Fabulous Bill is the only Chaos release this book. And rightly so - Chaos have enjoyed a glut of releases for some time.

Yes, because less than a year of support makes up for over 15 years of jack and his friend squat.

I mean, you are right. It's going to just be Bile and more trash rules no one wants, but still....

Super pumped for this book! Fabius Bile is one of my favorite Black Library characters. Hoping for some rules for some of his new men and many more wacky creations!

 H wrote:
What's the least inspired, and most disappointing, way this can turn out? Whatever that is, it probably is what is in the book.

FB durtles around, does something that sounds interesting but ultimately fails and everything is the same as it always was, however we have a new model for him, is my bet for the likely ticket here.

The least inspired and most disappointing thing would be chaos primaris, obviously.

If this really really means there's a possibility of chaos custodes ... Whatever flavour they may be ...

Lord forgive me for what I will do to my savings

personally I don't find any of this interesting at all. Fabious is as dull a character as there is, and really doesn't belong with any army currently. He's a Saturday morning cartoon character, being chased by the Mystery mobile. he certainly didn;t warrant a new model, especially with how many other characters have been passed over. Cypher is infinitely more interesting and if any new Chaos faction should be explored, it's Fallen, especially if some of the models look half as good as the new DA 30K range. Custodes should also remain a minor release, not a full fledged army. Roll in the Sisters of Silence and leave them be.

Some of the choices are really odd for these next few books. Knights really don't need anything, they have a plethora of rules for such few models. Crazy. Daemons and Admech certainly can be explored more thoroughly though.

 cuda1179 wrote:

 H wrote:
What's the least inspired, and most disappointing, way this can turn out? Whatever that is, it probably is what is in the book.

FB durtles around, does something that sounds interesting but ultimately fails and everything is the same as it always was, however we have a new model for him, is my bet for the likely ticket here.

My bet, Fabious tries luring the Custodes and DeathGuard into each other in the hopes he can pick up the pieces afterwards. Most of the Custodes force holds up the Deathguard while a strike team goes in to kill Fabius. Fabius escapes, but with the Deathguard in hot pursuit. Custodes have a pyric victory and celebrate "saving" the ruins of Cadia and setting two enemy factions upon one another.

Don't forget the most important bit: Fabius cracks the genetic code of Custodes, and synthesises a super-serum for genetically enhanced CSM. However, upon doing so the Custodes attack his base and steal the serum, thus leading to a new line of Primaro-Custodes miniatures, and a new suite of rules for all loyalist Astartes factions. Thankfully, CSM get prodigious benefits from Fabius' experiments nonetheless: Chaotic Supermen (3CP) Pick d3 units of min-squad CSM with no weapon upgrades. They can re-roll hit rolls of 1 against Astartes vehicles.

Plot Twist: War of the Spider turns out to be a new "Eye of Terror Campaign" and is awash with examples and ideas for kitbashing new units!

 TonyH122 wrote:
Thankfully, CSM get prodigious benefits from Fabius' experiments nonetheless: Chaotic Supermen (3CP) Pick d3 units of min-squad CSM with no weapon upgrades. They can re-roll hit rolls of 1 against Astartes vehicles.

Now that made me laugh.

 bullyboy wrote:
personally I don't find any of this interesting at all. Fabious is as dull a character as there is, and really doesn't belong with any army currently. He's a Saturday morning cartoon character, being chased by the Mystery mobile. he certainly didn;t warrant a new model, especially with how many other characters have been passed over. Cypher is infinitely more interesting and if any new Chaos faction should be explored, it's Fallen, especially if some of the models look half as good as the new DA 30K range. .

Cypher already got a new model, and the 30K DA is a pretty good argument for not doing more 40k DA. Marines are marines, so if you want pretty DA, just use those. Unit wise, there's a lot more stuff to update than marines that can be done perfectly well with the stock boxes.

As for chaos characters, Bile is honestly one of the few I actually find interesting. No 14 point, millennia spanning plan to blow up a planet of guardsmen, no Raagh! Gods! Raaargh!, just a comprehensible motive and ambition of his own that transcends the little boxes GW likes to trap factions in.

I don't have much faith they'll do a major background plot justice in mini-supplement army list form, but of the chaos characters he's the major one left until they decide to give the Emperor's Children the TS and DG treatment. Even Kharn is up to date (though sadly berserkers are not)

 puma713 wrote:

 TonyH122 wrote:
Thankfully, CSM get prodigious benefits from Fabius' experiments nonetheless: Chaotic Supermen (3CP) Pick d3 units of min-squad CSM with no weapon upgrades. They can re-roll hit rolls of 1 against Astartes vehicles.

Now that made me laugh.

That's too broken for CSM to have. Just make it against Rhinos for a true taste of GW balance

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Plot Twist: War of the Spider turns out to be a new "Eye of Terror Campaign" and is awash with examples and ideas for kitbashing new units!

I'd love a new man lost and the damned with lab spawn!

Heck you could've regulars aswell as lab guard.



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 bullyboy wrote:
personally I don't find any of this interesting at all. Fabious is as dull a character as there is, and really doesn't belong with any army currently. He's a Saturday morning cartoon character, being chased by the Mystery mobile. he certainly didn;t warrant a new model, especially with how many other characters have been passed over. Cypher is infinitely more interesting and if any new Chaos faction should be explored, it's Fallen, especially if some of the models look half as good as the new DA 30K range. Custodes should also remain a minor release, not a full fledged army. Roll in the Sisters of Silence and leave them be.

Some of the choices are really odd for these next few books. Knights really don't need anything, they have a plethora of rules for such few models. Crazy. Daemons and Admech certainly can be explored more thoroughly though.

Cypher is more interesting then Fabouls?

Fabius has atleast multiple angles to work with! He has ambition and is not an AL seized magic wand 2.0 like cypher is?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Plot Twist: War of the Spider turns out to be a new "Eye of Terror Campaign" and is awash with examples and ideas for kitbashing new units!

Thanks for the laugh. Best joke this forum has seen On these corona days good laughs are welcome.

 Roknar wrote:
Fabius has been able to make actual primarchs since forever, I don't get the excitement about the teaser or him dissecting primaris.

Cloning a Primarch and making a Primarch strike me as two different things.

Primaris and Custodes again are distinct genetic constructs. Primaris have new organs, and ‘purified’ Geneseed. Both would be of great interest to Bile. Whilst it seems possible he may have a method of purifying/stabilising Geneseed, he’d be a poor scientist if he had no interest in how another did it. Maybe his way is better, maybe it’s not. Perhaps he can find a way to blend the techniques. And remember, one of their unique organs is incomplete - the Magnificat. Allegedly this is based on a Primarch organ, but Cawl could find neither the genetic material or blueprint for the whole thing. Given Bile could, conceivably if not easily, clone that specific organ?

Custodes? Each and everyone is a custom job. I’m not even sure if the use Geneseed, or if the specific details of how they differ from Astartes has been shown in canon. Either way, each and every Custodes dissected or vivisection by Bile would yield new information.

If Bile can learn enough to create entirely new Primarchs, who knows what he might do with them. How many, if any, would he create? Would they be loyal to him, as the originals were to The Emperor ( at least at first). If he can ever mass produce them, they could be deliberate burners. Created for overwhelming force, with no concern at all for their overall survival?

strigops wrote:
I'm still wondering if they plan to just release the ebooks or nothing. Because we got articles last week with trailer and stuff, but yesterday on engine wars was static silence. It's possible they wanted to keep the rule reveal for the lion... we'll see.

I doubt there’d be a 40k Lion releasing so close to the 30k one.
And if they were it would have been with the DA book..

Is it because of the online preview style that everyone thinks there’s more to the Lion release than it is?
When Russ and all the others came, we didn’t get all this ‘maybe 40k now’ talk..

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Roknar wrote:
Fabius has been able to make actual primarchs since forever, I don't get the excitement about the teaser or him dissecting primaris.

Cloning a Primarch and making a Primarch strike me as two different things.

Primaris and Custodes again are distinct genetic constructs. Primaris have new organs, and ‘purified’ Geneseed. Both would be of great interest to Bile. Whilst it seems possible he may have a method of purifying/stabilising Geneseed, he’d be a poor scientist if he had no interest in how another did it. Maybe his way is better, maybe it’s not. Perhaps he can find a way to blend the techniques. And remember, one of their unique organs is incomplete - the Magnificat. Allegedly this is based on a Primarch organ, but Cawl could find neither the genetic material or blueprint for the whole thing. Given Bile could, conceivably if not easily, clone that specific organ?

Custodes? Each and everyone is a custom job. I’m not even sure if the use Geneseed, or if the specific details of how they differ from Astartes has been shown in canon. Either way, each and every Custodes dissected or vivisection by Bile would yield new information.

If Bile can learn enough to create entirely new Primarchs, who knows what he might do with them. How many, if any, would he create? Would they be loyal to him, as the originals were to The Emperor ( at least at first). If he can ever mass produce them, they could be deliberate burners. Created for overwhelming force, with no concern at all for their overall survival?

My point was more that, with everything that Bile has been able to do in the lore already, being able to dissect custodes or primaris is a drop in the ocean.
They have had the lore to do something with that if they wanted to for a while now. So I don't see how how this makes it MORE likely to get new models than before.

 TonyH122 wrote:
Don't forget the most important bit: Fabius cracks the genetic code of Custodes, and synthesises a super-serum for genetically enhanced CSM. However, upon doing so the Custodes attack his base and steal the serum, thus leading to a new line of Primaro-Custodes miniatures, and a new suite of rules for all loyalist Astartes factions. Thankfully, CSM get prodigious benefits from Fabius' experiments nonetheless: Chaotic Supermen (3CP) Pick d3 units of min-squad CSM with no weapon upgrades. They can re-roll hit rolls of 1 against Astartes vehicles.

Congratulations, you've been promoted to the GW Design Team!

 H wrote:

 TonyH122 wrote:
Don't forget the most important bit: Fabius cracks the genetic code of Custodes, and synthesises a super-serum for genetically enhanced CSM. However, upon doing so the Custodes attack his base and steal the serum, thus leading to a new line of Primaro-Custodes miniatures, and a new suite of rules for all loyalist Astartes factions. Thankfully, CSM get prodigious benefits from Fabius' experiments nonetheless: Chaotic Supermen (3CP) Pick d3 units of min-squad CSM with no weapon upgrades. They can re-roll hit rolls of 1 against Astartes vehicles.

Congratulations, you've been promoted to the GW Design Team!

Honestly, i can see something equally as laughable.

See, there's that boon of chaos table right?
What if,hear me out, fabious bile let's you roll for all infantry, bikers, and hellbrutes of the army on it?

Not Online!!! wrote:
Honestly, i can see something equally as laughable.

See, there's that boon of chaos table right?
What if,hear me out, fabious bile let's you roll for all infantry, bikers, and hellbrutes of the army on it?

Spoiler:

and they forget to remove the character specification making it useless for the first months until the inevitable FAQ strikes?

Anything that doesn't function well, or even at all, is exactly the design space we have in mind for Chaos!

After all, it's is Chaos, they shouldn't actually do anything useful,

I wouldn't be surprised if they gave a +1 S/T/A table. Or just the generics drugs list - and said that was your chapter tactic, have fun.

Its a difficult one to call. There are lots of rules I think they could add to try and reflect Fabius and co from the books (along with some significant limitations to keep it in check) - but it all potentially gets quite fiddly for what is probably going to be a throw away faction that will never be mentioned again. "Here's the Dark Eldar drugs table again, just select or roll it" would be relatively simple to do.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/04/20/psychic-awakening-consequences/

New story up and I had no idea which psychic awakening book it was for until I reread the thumbnail pic lol.

Honestly, it's pretty trash IMHO. It's the worst form of bolter porn. I am no prude and I like decent action when it services the story, but mindless over the top descriptions of deaths of guys I can't keep track of and have no interest in is just bad writing.

I legit had to re-read the first 3 paragraphs several times to figure out who and which character was referring to who. Zero character development and terrible descriptions of the action. They basically introduce another *"fill in your never before heard of chapter name salad here"* so they can puff up how apparently a sister of silence squad leader can cut down a primaris captain through cheap shots

No idea who I am supposed to route for here. I am guessing the new primaris are just serving as experimental meat for fabulous Bill ha ha

Wait, are those, like , supposed traitor primaris?

The world of Khassedur had been their destination through long months of toil and trial, across blazing battlefields and amidst the teeth of ferocious warp storms. Their duty had been to reach it, to deliver the two full companies of Brazen Drakes Greyshields to their newly adopted home world, and to see that Chapter Master Kaslyn accepted the gift of Cawl’s Miracle.

Yeah, absolutely impossible for a human to kill a primaris in actual close combat.. That's pretty insane, but hey gotta promote the new book!

 Red Corsair wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/04/20/psychic-awakening-consequences/

New story up and I had no idea which psychic awakening book it was for until I reread the thumbnail pic lol.

Honestly, it's pretty trash IMHO. It's the worst form of bolter porn. I am no prude and I like decent action when it services the story, but mindless over the top descriptions of deaths of guys I can't keep track of and have no interest in is just bad writing.

I legit had to re-read the first 3 paragraphs several times to figure out who and which character was referring to who. Zero character development and terrible descriptions of the action. They basically introduce another *"fill in your never before heard of chapter name salad here"* so they can puff up how apparently a sister of silence squad leader can cut down a primaris captain through cheap shots

No idea who I am supposed to route for here. I am guessing the new primaris are just serving as experimental meat for fabulous Bill ha ha

Of course a Sister of Silence Knight-Centura and Custodes Shield Captain can kill a Marine Captain together its not like she did it with her hands and blindfolded. One of her Sisters dies from a mere blow from a Marine.

I did like this

‘I am Custodes. I speak with the Emperor’s voice. Were you loyal, you would set down your weapons and accept your guilt. But you side with your brothers before your Emperor, as the Adeptus Astartes always have.’

Well he ain't wrong .....