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Model is cool. Special rules are gimicky but... ok. The discussion above is disappointing, as if I am listening to kids outside of the comics and games store opening CCG packets crying that they didn’t get the instakill game winner, again, and will have to wait until mom gives them more pocket money to try again.

The article did say to pick up some chaos marines as it mentioned his special dudes, so it’s not out of the question that the “roll on the chart for everyone” humor is actually spot on.
The bigger deal is a) what keywords his “blessing” affects (Chaos space marines is pretty broad) and b) if you can cast it multiple times on the same units. Cause then you could feed/grow a single death star that jumps out on turn 4 with +3 attacks and +1 strength.

 Nicorex wrote:
Does anyone have the promo/leaked pic of Fabius from a few months back? I could have sworn he had 2 assistants in that one.

The model has only ever been shown with one assistant. I remember when he was first revealed people saying they wished he had the other assistant from the art too.

Fabulous Bill's rules always disappoint - here's hoping (!) that this time will break the curse...

 Alpharius wrote:
Fabulous Bill's rules always disappoint - here's hoping (!) that this time will break the curse...

if he does we will see a revamped FW corsair line

but then again we also got plastic sisters so.

 Alpharius wrote:
Fabulous Bill's rules always disappoint - here's hoping (!) that this time will break the curse...

Dunno. I always got a kick out of poking a Carnifex in the eye with the Rod of Torment in 2nd Ed!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Fabulous Bill's rules always disappoint - here's hoping (!) that this time will break the curse...

Dunno. I always got a kick out of poking a Carnifex in the eye with the Rod of Torment in 2nd Ed!

Old one eye wasn't shot by an IG dude!

I just don't get why, in the fiction of Warhammer 40,000, every character whose thing is that they're a scientist who modifies their guys using science and technology, they all roll on random tables, but every time a Wizard calls upon the energies of hell to provide a boost to units through magic, THAT's almost always a reliable, predictable buff.

Seriously, Sczeras, Bile, the GSC Biophagus, Admech stuff...pretty much only Urien Rakarth is sitting over in the corner going "Guys? Guys, what the feth are you doing, I'm just going to make my stuff extra tough and strong, why are you grafting random gak onto your troops mid-battle?"

the_scotsman wrote:
I just don't get why, in the fiction of Warhammer 40,000, every character whose thing is that they're a scientist who modifies their guys using science and technology, they all roll on random tables, but every time a Wizard calls upon the energies of hell to provide a boost to units through magic, THAT's almost always a reliable, predictable buff.

Seriously, Sczeras, Bile, the GSC Biophagus, Admech stuff...pretty much only Urien Rakarth is sitting over in the corner going "Guys? Guys, what the feth are you doing, I'm just going to make my stuff extra tough and strong, why are you grafting random gak onto your troops mid-battle?"

LOL! Excellent observation!

the_scotsman wrote:
I just don't get why, in the fiction of Warhammer 40,000, every character whose thing is that they're a scientist who modifies their guys using science and technology, they all roll on random tables, but every time a Wizard calls upon the energies of hell to provide a boost to units through magic, THAT's almost always a reliable, predictable buff.

Seriously, Sczeras, Bile, the GSC Biophagus, Admech stuff...pretty much only Urien Rakarth is sitting over in the corner going "Guys? Guys, what the feth are you doing, I'm just going to make my stuff extra tough and strong, why are you grafting random gak onto your troops mid-battle?"

That's because Urien knows his stuff and has probably done his experiments for a dozen millenias longer than most of them.

 Eldarsif wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
I just don't get why, in the fiction of Warhammer 40,000, every character whose thing is that they're a scientist who modifies their guys using science and technology, they all roll on random tables, but every time a Wizard calls upon the energies of hell to provide a boost to units through magic, THAT's almost always a reliable, predictable buff.

Seriously, Sczeras, Bile, the GSC Biophagus, Admech stuff...pretty much only Urien Rakarth is sitting over in the corner going "Guys? Guys, what the feth are you doing, I'm just going to make my stuff extra tough and strong, why are you grafting random gak onto your troops mid-battle?"

That's because Urien knows his stuff and has probably done his experiments for a dozen millenias longer than most of them.

Longer than the necron or the chaos space marine? Really?

or is it just that GW doesn't know how to represent Science-y buffs and modifications as anything other than the WiLd AnD cRaAaAaAaZy MaD sCiEnTiSt trope? and it's never worked and never been fun or interesting to represent that using a buff that's almost always

A) random so that a lot of the time it does nothing
AND
B) worse than non-random buffs you could be getting anyway.

Almost always, you could take Wild N Crazy Fabulous Bill and roll on his randumb table of randumb to get +1S or whatever, or you could take a sorceror who's cheaper, and provides a much stronger buff much more reliably that you get to pick from a big list.

I agree.

In my opinion, being able to pick three units at deployment and enhance one with +1 strength, another with +1 attack and a third one with +1 toughness (you chose which gets which) would make for a much more interesting character.

I've always felt like Fabius Bile is less "well-to-do man of science" these days, more "what would amuse me today?"

the_scotsman wrote:
I just don't get why, in the fiction of Warhammer 40,000, every character whose thing is that they're a scientist who modifies their guys using science and technology, they all roll on random tables, but every time a Wizard calls upon the energies of hell to provide a boost to units through magic, THAT's almost always a reliable, predictable buff.

Seriously, Sczeras, Bile, the GSC Biophagus, Admech stuff...pretty much only Urien Rakarth is sitting over in the corner going "Guys? Guys, what the feth are you doing, I'm just going to make my stuff extra tough and strong, why are you grafting random gak onto your troops mid-battle?"

Exalted for Ultimate Truth!

GW seems to think random = fun.

Might be due those d100 charts from Back In The Day?

So seems Death Guard are getting the same treatment that 1KSons got in their PA book, except 7 sets of new factions rather than 9.

If that sounds good, remember the FAQ made it so that the 1KSons can only actually really use one of those nine sets of rules in any given army, so really their update was 8 sets of rules you can't use.

Oh boy I already called that several months ago.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So seems Death Guard are getting the same treatment that 1KSons got in their PA book, except 7 sets of new factions rather than 9.

If that sounds good, remember the FAQ made it so that the 1KSons can only actually really use one of those nine sets of rules in any given army, so really their update was 8 sets of rules you can't use.

Yes, it looks like this is the new Chaos Thing. Instead of getting monofaction bonuses Chaos gets subfaction bonuses - i.e., the ability to not be able to use 8/9ths or 7/8ths (or (n-1)/n where n is your god's favored number) of your rules. This is thematic and fun. And really fills up a book nicely while minimizing the risk of making anything actually good.

The website preview makes it sound like there is no update to the outdated DG legion trait and yet also no regiment-style sub faction rules for the 7 vectorium companies? Would be the first time codex subfactions don't get their own rules, besides the obvious warlord trait / relic / strat.

Someone told me GW said otherwise on the stream?

For the love of the god emperor, can we get some kind of information about the bloody Custodes? I'm chomping at the bit to get information, and nobody seems to know anything about it.

 Alpharius wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
I just don't get why, in the fiction of Warhammer 40,000, every character whose thing is that they're a scientist who modifies their guys using science and technology, they all roll on random tables, but every time a Wizard calls upon the energies of hell to provide a boost to units through magic, THAT's almost always a reliable, predictable buff.

Seriously, Sczeras, Bile, the GSC Biophagus, Admech stuff...pretty much only Urien Rakarth is sitting over in the corner going "Guys? Guys, what the feth are you doing, I'm just going to make my stuff extra tough and strong, why are you grafting random gak onto your troops mid-battle?"

Exalted for Ultimate Truth!

GW seems to think random = fun.

Might be due those d100 charts from Back In The Day?

I chalk it up to bookkeeping. Wizards have magical quills to write everything down, scientists usually have crappy hand writing like doctors. So when they go back to do the experiment again they can"t follow any notes. Rakarth just carves what he does into the victim/experiment.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I've always felt like Fabius Bile is less "well-to-do man of science" these days, more "what would amuse me today?"

This. It isn't such that their science is so incompetent that they cannot predict the outcome, it is them going 'let us see what this new formula does...' and testing it in the field. They aren't using their tried-and-true methods, those are disinteresting because they already know what they do. If you aren't going to try out previously untested augmentations then why did you even bother showing up to the battle!? Using known methods? How boorish, not worth my time.

Nice.

Noxious Blightbringers can be given a relic that gives 5+ invulnerable save bubble.

T5 DG, boosted with buffs with 5+ inv/5++FNP. Tasty.

Definately better than the current relic available to NB's.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/06/09/new-death-guard-rulesgw-homepage-post-2/

Highlights:
Invulnerable save bubble via Blightbringer only relic.

1 cp for a round of bonus attacks with... plague knives.

1 cp for +6" on shooting with plague weapons. They highlight the Blightspawn and his plague sprayer, but other combos seem more effective, assuming 9th will let you pile up strats (full unit tossing blight grenades at extra range)

Cultists and Poxwalkers are specifically excluded from a lot, though the 1st Company can have deep striking poxwalkers.

6" range for the Bloat Drones.

10" move, 15" dual flamers that are plague weapons.

Not bad.

Hmm, 5+ invul for all units around the NB or a mortal wound plus a chance to kill more models through morale relic?

Kind of a no brainer to take the inv save relic.

jivardi wrote:
6" range for the Bloat Drones.

10" move, 15" dual flamers that are plague weapons.

Not bad.

Hmm, 5+ invul for all units around the NB or a mortal wound plus a chance to kill more models through morale relic?

Kind of a no brainer to take the inv save relic.

Don't forget advancing

10" move, D6 Advance + 15" dual flamers that are plague weapons.

That's a 31" threat range now.

Lot of useless garbage. What better way to make someone try and buy an overpriced garbage Character in the form of a relic that doesn't benefit the units that would make it any good? Also YAY you can pretend your Plague Marines have even a decent number of attacks via just one squad for a CP? Utterly ridiculous.

At least Typhus and his dudes can Deep Strike zombies now.

Does seem mostly like a bunch of junk, honestly.

It's not deep strike BTW, it's the one that's limited to table edges, which makes it a lot worse. And why would you even want to deep strike poxwalkers anyway?

yukishiro1 wrote:
Does seem mostly like a bunch of junk, honestly.

It's not deep strike BTW, it's the one that's limited to table edges, which makes it a lot worse. And why would you even want to deep strike poxwalkers anyway?

to put a problem in someone's face, just like da jump can put a shittonne of boys in your face.

Well, at least we do get a pile of relics on top of that.

Personally, I think all these are decent, just the plague knive one made me scratch my head. I guess if I run a blob of 20 bolter marines, it can murder some horde unit, but outside of that?

Should just have been a flat +1A for plague marine units, but I guess they are afraid of dual flails ruining the meta.


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The main problem of Typhus was getting somewhere, him and his pox walker retinue just appearing at full strength on my opponent's table edge sounds great.

14" grenade combo or getting that extra 6" on blight launchers when you need it sounds good as well.

Warlord trait is neat for dual talon princes, and strictly better than most of the durability traits we have.

Almost all stratagems are situational, but for an army that so far struggles to get rid of its CP for anything but re-rolls, I'll use anything I can.

Racerguy180 wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
Does seem mostly like a bunch of junk, honestly.

It's not deep strike BTW, it's the one that's limited to table edges, which makes it a lot worse. And why would you even want to deep strike poxwalkers anyway?

to put a problem in someone's face, just like da jump can put a shittonne of boys in your face.

Yes but boyz are actually a problem. They can make a charge, and they can actually hurt stuff.

Poxwalkers can't make a charge, and can't actually hurt stuff even if they do.

The whole point of the unit is to shield other stuff in your army. Just seems like a very strange thing to want to deepstrike.