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Bike could've been a good way to expand on Chaos Agents rather than Imperial Agents, but here we are.

Giving special characters special factions usually turns out badly. See Ynnari. Those characters basically only see the light of day now because they can be taken in non-Ynnari lists. Which doesn't seem likely to apply to Bile, given that the whole lore beyond the thing is that everybody hates him.

It does seem a really weird choice.

Unless its got a special no deamons rule included wont creations of bile work on deamon princes. Not game breaking i know but could be nice, also +1" bikes and jump packs is good,

What kind of irritates me about this new Philanthropic Bill faction, is that as DG/AC/Ass. player, I finally get my PA book, with all my factions in one book, only for Bill to steal the spotlight and even have 2 of the first 3 previews dedicated to him.

Balerion wrote:
What kind of irritates me about this new Philanthropic Bill faction, is that as DG/AC/Ass. player, I finally get my PA book, with all my factions in one book, only for Bill to steal the spotlight and even have 2 of the first 3 previews dedicated to him.

Yep.

Pretty sure Assassins, Sisters and Custodes at this point are only getting lip service. Its 3 days from the pre-orders opening up, and not a single detail available. All to hype up an overrated side-villain.

Sisters and Custodes are supposed to be getting rolled back into the "Talons of the Emperor" faction.

Speaking of, Custodes got mentioned at the end of the stream.
-Subfactions
-Stratagems including a "Shield-Captain Commander"
-Warlord Traits+Relics

From the stream:

Shield Hosts, with Warlord Traits, Relics and Strats for Custodes (so really more options that you can't use, great).

Plus new Strats.

Upgrade Shield Captain to Shield Commander (it's a Strat) and has extra abilities.

Strat to pick a unit to make Heroic Interventions.

Sisters of Silence in Custodes detachment without it being "soup".

Assassins are also in there - WD rules reprinted in this book, with updates.

Talons of the Emperor article up.

Not sure how much I like that Relic Spear. Don't Custodes already have a Rapid Fire 3 relic?

I actually love the idea of being able to switch out the type of assassin you can bring.

Domandi wrote:
I actually love the idea of being able to switch out the type of assassin you can bring.

I believe thats just the new version of the White Dwarf one, probably they will be replaced. But it comes at the cost of paying for an auxiliary detachment.

Domandi wrote:
I actually love the idea of being able to switch out the type of assassin you can bring.

The question now is: Do the presence of Assassins make your Marines/Sisters/Guard forget what Chapter/Order/Planet they're from?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Not sure how much I like that Relic Spear. Don't Custodes already have a Rapid Fire 3 relic?

Yes, however this one allows them to Shoot and Charge even if they Advanced or Fell Back.

I am.... not super impressed with the AC preview. The one change I felt warranted, SoS (at least the bolter one) into troops doesn't look to be happening. Instead strategems that aren't amazing and traits that aren't either compared to what we already have.

Very disappointing. Custodes needed army-wide buffs to be playable, not give them a bunch of relic/traits that mostly won’t be used, and a small buff to their characters (which were good anyway).

The rapid fire x2 strat is nice for things like storm bolter Aquilons, but this feels very meh overall

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Not sure how much I like that Relic Spear. Don't Custodes already have a Rapid Fire 3 relic?

Yes, however this one allows them to Shoot and Charge even if they Advanced or Fell Back.

Shield Captains are already gonna be slow regardless, so I really don't know how much of a benefit it is, but it's still more than they had like a month ago so...

It's a subfaction specific one, so I guess it would let you have two different Relic Spears in the same force if you liked that subfaction?

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's a subfaction specific one, so I guess it would let you have two different Relic Spears in the same force if you liked that subfaction?

Not sure I would ever take more than one, but there's not a lot to choose from in terms of Relics for Custodes, funnily enough. I ran only a couple of games with them but I did use the Rapid Fire 3 one simply because for the guy camping with the shooters, it is a good melter of people trying to go nearby. The improved Overwatch I've never gotten much out of though, so maybe this one might be of the same use.

More juiced up bolter shots isn't going to help a ton. The same spear but rapidfire 2 and a damage 3 melee side would have been nice however.

That SoS stratagem for denying a power on a 3+ seems pretty dam good to me.

So far the supplement seems underwhelming for all factions except Sisters of Silence? Saturday will be a big day, assuming the previewers got advance copies this time. Would be nice if we got juicy leaks early again.

Custodes should have had their Aegis of the Emperor changed to denying MWs on a normal armor save. Not a 6+ vs psychic MW.

They don't dish out MW and you can dish MW to them.

It wouldn't fix custodes but it would help.

 xeen wrote:
The bile thing is neat that they are branching out a bit, but really who was like, "yo bro, you know what would be awesome? A Fibious Bile faction!" "Yea I know, I totally want that over having any love for renegade factions or having customizable CSM legion traits!"

It just seems really out of the blue, and unnecessary, especially since they did not even give a PA book release to two established factions (Harlies and DW).

Unless the rules are really good (not so far) I think a year from now people won't even remember that there is a Bile faction.

Well, lets be honest GW won't remember them in a year either.

Wonder if they sent out books for people to review as they have in the past. It has been very tightly controlled info from GW.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
That SoS stratagem for denying a power on a 3+ seems pretty dam good to me.

Not really.

Having just 18" vs. the 24" version of Sisters/Templars/Khorne/Iron Hands/Graia/etc.. makes it much easier to play around, IMO.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
That SoS stratagem for denying a power on a 3+ seems pretty dam good to me.

Not really.

Having just 18" vs. the 24" version of Sisters/Templars/Khorne/Iron Hands/Graia/etc.. makes it much easier to play around, IMO.

Yeah but for Custodes you are really only concerned about offensive powers, i.e. mortal wounds, Death Hex, etc making range less of an issue. Sisters themselves are immune, so likely screening out for the important stuff but a re-rollable 3+ is an almost guaranteed deny.

Nice to see that the Custodes almost got 10 whole pages to themselves.

Here we go boys the entire rules has been leaked for DG :

Stratagems

1CP
Plaguechosen
Pre battle after chosing a warlord, chose a death guard character model of your army without warlord trait and chose a unique warlord trait for it
1CP

Soulharvest
use this stratagem in the fight phase if a death guard daemon prince gets chosen to fight with its axe or sword. Add 3 to the Attack characteristics until the end of the phase. Only infantry units can be the target of its attacks
1CP

Emissary of Nurgle
Pre battle. choose a LoC unit in your army. until end of battle it gets the ability
Emissary of Nurgle: Reroll Hits of 1 for attacks of friendly DG units within 6" of this model
1CP

Disgusttorrent
Use this stratagem in the shooting phase if a foul blightspawn model gets chosen, roll 2d6 to determine shots for the flamer and discard one. same for strenght value.
1CP

Infecting Rounds
Shooting Phase when a PM unit gets chosen to shoot
Until end of phase the bolt weapons become Plague Weapon and against infantry an unmodified woundroll of 6 gets -4AP

1/2CP
Endless Volley
Shooting Phase when a DG Infantry unit shoots. Until end of phase bolter and the bolter profile of combiweapons get rapid fire 2. Combibolter get rapid fire 3. Units with 6 or more models pay 2CP

2/3 CP
???
Shooting phase or Fight Phase when a PM Unit gets chosen as target for an attack. If the unit is 10 or less models 2CP otherwise 3CP. Add 1 to Disgustingly Resilient Rolls

1CP
???
Before Battle. Choose a Plague Surgeon model in your army. Until end of battle it gets the following ability
Hypertoxic Tincture: Reroll woundrolls of 1 or 2 for attacks with plagueweapons of friendly dg models within 6"

1cp
Tenchfighters
already previewed

1cp
Warptoll
At the beginning of morale phase. Choose a Noxious Blightbringe. Add 1 to dicerolls for morale tests of enemy units within 7" and double the amount of fleeing models if it fails.
1cp

creeping plague
Fightphase when a DG unit in your army gets chosen to fight. Until the end of the phase add 1 to Damage characteristics for attacks and unmodified wound rolls of 6 get -4 AP
1CP

Grimeeruption
If a Deathguard Terminator model gets destroyed, before it gets removed roll a d6 for every unit within 7" without the Nurgle Keyword. on a 4+ deal 1 mortal wound
1CP

Toxic Burst
any phase except morale if a DG model of your army gets destroyed. Chose an enemy unit within 3" of the model and subtract 1 of their hitrolls when they attack.

1CP Mutated Stem
Fightphase if poxwalkers fight.
Until the end of the phase unmodified wound rolls of 6 against infantry units deal mortal wounds. Unmodified hit rolls of 1 deal 1 mortal wound to the attacking unit

2CP
Miasmatic Sickness
Beginning of Fight phase.
Choose an enemy unit within 1" of a friendly PM unit. Subtract 1 of its Toughness characteristic as long as it isnt in Mortarions Toxic Presence ability

1CP
Lifeeater
In fight phase if a DG unit gets chosen to fight.
Until the end of the phase you automatically wound if you roll an unmodified 6 to hit with plagueweapons

1CP
Overwhelming Generosity
already previewed

1CP
Accelerated Entropy
Pre Battle.
Choose a PBC. Until end of battle its entropy cannons and all entropy cannons of PBC within 7" get
Plague Weapon, Damagerolls of 1 or 2 count as 3.

1CP
Firefever
shooting phase after youve allocated the shots of a helbrute with 2 ranged weapons. Until the end of the phase you can reroll all hit rolls if you shoot all shots at one target for this model

1CP
Contaminated Monstrosity
Before Battle.
Chose a DG Unit (no chaos cultists or titanic units) with 12 Wounds or less or for 2CP 13 Wounds or more. Until the end of the battle the unit gets disgustingly resilient

1CP
Parasitic Fumes
End of Movement phase.
Chose a Myphitic Blight Hauler unit. Until end of turn when a friendly model within 7" attacks add 1 to the AP characteristic of its weapons.

RELICS

The Feverstone:
LoC only
Reduce Strength characteristic of enemy models by 1 as long as they are within 3" of a model within your army carrying this relic

Allwilter
Model with plaguesword only and replaces the plaguesword
melee melee +1S -3AP 2D
Plagueweapon, enemies wounded by this weapon dont get saves.

The Daemon's Toll - Already previewed

The Epidemicystic Blade
Hellforged Sword only, replaces the hellforged sword
melee melee +1S -2AP 3D
plague weapon, exploding 6s

The Foul Amulet
Psyker only
models with this relic know an additional psychic power. Once per psychic phase, after this model manifested a psychic power heal it for D3 Wounds

Wormspitter
Bolt pistol only, replaces bolt pistol
14" pistole 1 5S -2AP 1D
Plague weapon, If you hit a model with this weapon successfully it gets corroded until end of turn... when a friendly death guard model attacks a corroded unit it's weapon gain the plague weapon ability


THE Harbingers

Zombie Plague

If your warlord destroys an enemy infantry model in melee add a model to a friendly Harbingers Poxwalker unit within 7". You have to pay reserve points for models above its starting unitsize

1/3cp
From the Carrion Heaps
already previewed
1CP
Life transcending Death
Fight Phase when the last model of a Harbingers Unit gets destroyed. The enemy unit that destroyed the model suffers D3 mortal wounds

All Death Guard pages leaked in German. Looking pretty fun, I like the fact that there's plenty of upgrade stratagems for the whole battle like giving Disgustingly Resilient to any unit (1 CP for 12 or less wounds, 2 CP for above) or 1 CP to give Lord of Contagion the reroll 1's aura.

Finally, my dreadnoughts don't have to weep in shame for being less sturdy than the terminators next to them

THe strongest thing is the aura that give 4++ to all daemon engines in 7 inch aura