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Hogiebear wrote:
Hi all. I’m just about to start rebasing my boys to the 32mm bases. Just a quick question, are all infantry now in 32 mm bases? Thanks in advance

Grots are not 32mm, they dont come with 32mm bases at least. I also dont think things like termagaunts and hormagaunts are 32mm.

So i think some infantry still use small bases.

Lot of things are 32mm now but not everything.
Ork wise i think its just grots that are still on the smaller ones.

Thanks guys. So basically base all non character infantry (eg stormboys, lootas, boys, kommandos etc) 32mm? Grots can stay as they are (thankfully)

Unless you move into the heavier stuff. Meganobs, Flashgitz, characters. All sit on the larger 40mm base unless they're a bike or vehicle.

Hogiebear wrote:
Thanks guys. So basically base all non character infantry (eg stormboys, lootas, boys, kommandos etc) 32mm? Grots can stay as they are (thankfully)

Every ork infantry is on 32mm but gretchins and grot gunners (25mm) and flash gitz, meganobz, big mek in megarmour, warboss, big mek with SAG, snikrot, badrukk, zagstruk, weirdboy which are all on 40mm bases. Big mek with KFF doesn't have an official model so you could give it a 32 or 40mm bases as you prefer. Mine has a 40mm base, like any other infantry HQ.

So even a few characters like painboy, grotsnik, runtherd, mek, banner nob are on 32mm.

It might have changed in the meantime, but my metal Grotsnik came with a 25mm base.

 Jidmah wrote:
It might have changed in the meantime, but my metal Grotsnik came with a 25mm base.

Mine too, 32mm bases didn't exist back then. Finecast Grotsnik is on 32mm. Only Gretchins are on 25mm now.

I'm so going to flip my gak on the first person suggesting that I should rebase my models

Ive bought some boyz on ebay which arrived with 25mm bases or so.

I think i had to rebase like 25 boyz and what not to 32mm with base adapters.

It could be worse tho. Cant imagine having 90+ boyz and other guys that had to be rebased with adapters. Adapters arent too bad though, its fast

 Jidmah wrote:
I'm so going to flip my gak on the first person suggesting that I should rebase my models

Me too. I don't have a single model on 32mm bases and also my bikes have the old smaller base. Bikes in particular could be an issue as there are no adapters for those basis. I haven't found a single opponent complaining about that so far luckily. I did put my scratch built buggies on MDF bases (unfortunately GW doesn't sell them separately) with the sizes of the current buggies though.

I got most of my Boyz in 5th edition, so I recently purchased 60 adapters for the sake of fair play (that and to avoid having them fall over all the time!).

 Jidmah wrote:
I'm so going to flip my gak on the first person suggesting that I should rebase my models

I suggest you rebase The Mad Doc, he deserves that sweet 32 base ! He will look bigger, meaner, tougher, and as an extension of that, so will you !
(Then Jid proceeds to flip his gak on me)


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Beardedragon wrote:
Ive bought some boyz on ebay which arrived with 25mm bases or so.

I think i had to rebase like 25 boyz and what not to 32mm with base adapters.

It could be worse tho. Cant imagine having 90+ boyz and other guys that had to be rebased with adapters. Adapters arent too bad though, its fast

I did it for my 100 boyz with the adapters, but I regret that now, they don't look as good as boyz with "normal" 32 bases. And sometimes the adapters get stuck on inside the base holes of my movement trays. But anyway we will be getting new ork boy models by the time covid will be over, so no point in doing that now. I can't wait to buy and paint 90 of the new boyz on the block. It will be a hoot

 addnid wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
I'm so going to flip my gak on the first person suggesting that I should rebase my models

I suggest you rebase The Mad Doc, he deserves that sweet 32 base ! He will look bigger, meaner, tougher, and as an extension of that, so will you !
(Then Jid proceeds to flip his gak on me)

Well, that's actually a good idea, especially as he gets knocked over a lot. I was thinking more along the lines of people claiming that smaller bases for boyz have some sort of advantage, who then fail to demonstrate those advantages with actual models.

I don't play in public competitive events anymore, so there is a snowball's chance in hell I'm going to rebase the 300 something boyz I own and buy new movement trays for them.

I guess having 32mm bases instead of 25mm bases makes it slightly harder for Boyz to get more models into combat, but on the other hand it makes them take up more space when standing on objectives and blocking off areas of the table.

 Jidmah wrote:

 addnid wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
I'm so going to flip my gak on the first person suggesting that I should rebase my models

I suggest you rebase The Mad Doc, he deserves that sweet 32 base ! He will look bigger, meaner, tougher, and as an extension of that, so will you !
(Then Jid proceeds to flip his gak on me)

Well, that's actually a good idea, especially as he gets knocked over a lot. I was thinking more along the lines of people claiming that smaller bases for boyz have some sort of advantage, who then fail to demonstrate those advantages with actual models.

I don't play in public competitive events anymore, so there is a snowball's chance in hell I'm going to rebase the 300 something boyz I own and buy new movement trays for them.

Put the magnets on the bases and use the flat metal trays. Much better. Works for all base sizes.

Unless youre playing in tourmanets nobody is gonna give a crap if your boyz are on 32mm or not.
Technically the only benefit to it is you can squeeze slightly better getting out of a transport, the extra combat models isnt a thing since that reach got shrunk down massively. And even then, unless your transport was already mostly surrounded, it doesnt matter anyway.
Never had a time where i BARELY got my boyz out of the vehicle, indicating if i had 32mm bases i would have lost one or two.

Hey sorry to ask this, I am sure the info was given, but I tried and faiuled to find it here by searching the thread:
-> as we are on the topic of bases, which base should be used for the FW Mega-Dredd ? An oval monseter one ? Or the round deff dredd one ?

All my Orks are on upto date basing. They look a lot better for it and it didn't take that much time or effort. I sold my older models and replaced them with newer ones, bought shed loads of bits like spent ammo casings, Ironjaw heads and choppas, kommando backpacks and all kinds of orky bits from numerous websites. Now my Orks look a lot more realistic and brutal, I get way more compliments for my army.

I did probably 300 infantry and 50ish bikers/deffkoptas/vehicles over the course of 8th edition.

Man that is some real rebasing! Great hobbying deffrekka.

I'm personally bit torn on my speed freaks experience so far, don't like the style of play. Wondering if I have a go at mechanized infantry list, and see how bad it will be blown off the board. Just eagerly waiting on a new codex to change things up for the orks.

32mm bases on boyz give actually more advantage for the ork player as the mob has a larger footprint, which is mostly what hordes of boyz are about. Combatwise there's no difference at all, you get into fight the same number of models. Maybe in some bottleneck scenarios, including disembarking from a wrecked vehicle, they can be affected but we're talking about an extra model or two at most.

The only significant advantage of 25mm bases for boyz is that 90 on them fit under a KFF bubble, while 90 boyz on 32mm do not. If you have two KFFs or a mob is jumped the advantage doesn't exist anymore.

 addnid wrote:
Hey sorry to ask this, I am sure the info was given, but I tried and faiuled to find it here by searching the thread:
-> as we are on the topic of bases, which base should be used for the FW Mega-Dredd ? An oval monseter one ? Or the round deff dredd one ?

I would assume the oval monster one since the deff dread one is definitely too small for it, given the spacing between its legs and general size. Keep in mind that the mega-dread is like the Defiler/Soul Grinder where it never really came with a base for 40k, so you would just measure directly to its hull rather than its base, since it never had one to begin with.

 Grimskul wrote:

 addnid wrote:
Hey sorry to ask this, I am sure the info was given, but I tried and faiuled to find it here by searching the thread:
-> as we are on the topic of bases, which base should be used for the FW Mega-Dredd ? An oval monseter one ? Or the round deff dredd one ?

I would assume the oval monster one since the deff dread one is definitely too small for it, given the spacing between its legs and general size. Keep in mind that the mega-dread is like the Defiler/Soul Grinder where it never really came with a base for 40k, so you would just measure directly to its hull rather than its base, since it never had one to begin with.

Ah thanks a million Grimskul ! OK so I measure from hull because the MDredd has no "legal" base (hah hah jack of all trades, master of pun). i will put it on an oval as you say, because it will look the best, and provide the most stability.

technically, the Megadredd has no base.
I didnt get one at least when i got one eons ago. I just gave him a base that fit his foot size, which i think was the flyer base i used. He doesnt like to stand up very well so i was obligated to base him.

Sadly don't have an option to rebase my boys. Bought a lot of second hand locally for about a $1 a boy. Great deal but I only noticed later about half/full of a foot was covered in some weird glue that you cant break off. Looks like it was already rebased cause some orks were peg legged lol.

Shame too because some are on beautiful GW custom bases I'd love to use elsewhere. But nope, I have mix bases and Peg Leg Orky is hopping to battle on the worlds most beautiful base.

I will say if you don't rebase your boys, you do *technically* have advantages, especially with engagement range.

I would suggest trying to account for that when you play. I also don't really wanna rebase a bunch of the boys I did when I started playing in 3rd.

Engagement ranges are unaffected in 9th, 1/2" is less than the smallest base so it cannot possibly yield extra models attacking.
All it can do is allow more in the "within 3" bubble for disembarking, which almost never matters.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Engagement ranges are unaffected in 9th, 1/2" is less than the smallest base so it cannot possibly yield extra models attacking.
All it can do is allow more in the "within 3" bubble for disembarking, which almost never matters.

1" or 1/2" + 1/2".

It will marginally matter -- you can work with that 1" to gain some extra attacks.

It also reduces your footprint for obscuring.

Just give your opponent some leeway on marginal cases. IE -- reduce your attacks a bit if it seems to be for advantage, or if you're hiding just behind terrain because of the 25 mm, give them the ability to shoot.

It is modelling for advantage, technically, in some situations. If your opponent is cool with it, though, then just play on.

Yeah, I would say that there is some advantage, but usually it's on fringe cases like if there's a chokepoint with terrain or what vineheart mentioned earlier where you might lose one or two models from disembarking if the transport was surrounded partially. I think in most cases it's miniscule enough to really not impact a game, I'd only be careful on how strict it is for competitive tournament settings regarding bases.

Also, let's be real, in most cases, if you're footslogging, your boyz are going to be shot down to half strength by the time a lot of them reach combat, so the numbers difference will likely be moot.

tulun wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Engagement ranges are unaffected in 9th, 1/2" is less than the smallest base so it cannot possibly yield extra models attacking.
All it can do is allow more in the "within 3" bubble for disembarking, which almost never matters.

1" or 1/2" + 1/2".

It will marginally matter -- you can work with that 1" to gain some extra attacks.

Try to actually make that happen with real models and take a photo. This argument is nonsense because you can't pack boyz that close anyways because they are hanging off their bases, and because it doesn't actually make a difference to the outcome of a game even if they weren't.

It also reduces your footprint for obscuring.

It also makes it harder to claim dense terrain, for screening because they can cover way less area and it's harder to block movement with them.

Just give your opponent some leeway on marginal cases. IE -- reduce your attacks a bit if it seems to be for advantage, or if you're hiding just behind terrain because of the 25 mm, give them the ability to shoot.

There is zero reason to do so, because they are just legal models. 25mm has both advantages and disadvantages, and your opponent is for sure not giving you leeway when the smaller bases disadvantage you.

It is modelling for advantage, technically, in some situations. If your opponent is cool with it, though, then just play on.

Building a model as instructed is not modelling for advantage by any definition.
You are essentially calling people with unaltered citadel models cheaters. If you tried to pull that gak in a game with me, I would ask you to remove every single model that is not build exactly as described in the instruction manual because of modeling for advantage. Every single scratch build, kit bash, every model with additional base decoration, every model with arm or bit not not in a position shown in the instruction manual and any models with bits from another kit added.

The one and only reason to rebase models is because a public event you are attending has set certain base sizes as standard. Giving your opponent trouble for not adhering to those house rules outside of such a event is just being a dick.

I agree with Jidmah. 25mm is definitely not an adventage and definitely not cheating, unless tournaments rules say different.

Only relevant arguement is, that 32 looks better.