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KurtAngle2 wrote:

IanVanCheese wrote:

Voss wrote:
Yeah, I just got my indomitus stuff this weekend and hadn't taken a real look at the points book yet.

I really don't like the Lokhust compared to the current Heavy Destroyers. Average damage of 6 is very questionably worth the cost of almost 2 heavy Ds.

And with the Stalker at the lower points, I guess the question is 'why does the DDA exist?' They're just too similar for both to have a point.

I mean I'd seriously consider bringing both in a vehicle meta. That's 6 doomsday cannons for 930 pts. I can't imagine many tank armies that would be happy to run into that. Knights might as well not even get on the table.

Standing still in this edition where taking AND keeping Objectives is pretty much a given and Obscuring sceneries are more frequent is a VERY BAD drawback to have

For half your army, the other half can swamp the board. Especially when you look at the new Nihilakh dynasty trait, which gives everything obsec. Ob Sec scarabs and wraiths plus 6 doomsday cannons in the back sounds spicy to me.

I just wish they'd confirm the status of the current Destroyers...

It's very hard to predict. First off GW hasn't removed them from sale which suggests that if there is an update for them, it is a long long way off.

At the same time the glow-rod using canoptek from Forgeworld has been removed from sale (stalker - though I emailed them it is coming back). now this could be removing the glow rod and adding a new weapon attachment to it or just upgrading its price (the other multi-leg unit which is basically the same is £10 more expensive at present).


IT might be that he destroyers end up like the Lictor and Pyrovore for Tyranids - something that clearly is intended to be updated, just "not yet" and left out for a while.


Necrons already got a lot of new toys and even if the destroyers are not updated, Necrons will have a great force with a lot of modern sculpts with many options to pick from.

 Overread wrote:
It's very hard to predict. First off GW hasn't removed them from sale which suggests that if there is an update for them, it is a long long way off.

At the same time the glow-rod using canoptek from Forgeworld has been removed from sale (stalker - though I emailed them it is coming back). now this could be removing the glow rod and adding a new weapon attachment to it or just upgrading its price (the other multi-leg unit which is basically the same is £10 more expensive at present).


IT might be that he destroyers end up like the Lictor and Pyrovore for Tyranids - something that clearly is intended to be updated, just "not yet" and left out for a while.


Necrons already got a lot of new toys and even if the destroyers are not updated, Necrons will have a great force with a lot of modern sculpts with many options to pick from.

They could be holding off on discontinuing them until their replacements go on sale in October (or earlier) to clear out old stock.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Overread wrote:
It's very hard to predict. First off GW hasn't removed them from sale which suggests that if there is an update for them, it is a long long way off.

At the same time the glow-rod using canoptek from Forgeworld has been removed from sale (stalker - though I emailed them it is coming back). now this could be removing the glow rod and adding a new weapon attachment to it or just upgrading its price (the other multi-leg unit which is basically the same is £10 more expensive at present).


IT might be that he destroyers end up like the Lictor and Pyrovore for Tyranids - something that clearly is intended to be updated, just "not yet" and left out for a while.


Necrons already got a lot of new toys and even if the destroyers are not updated, Necrons will have a great force with a lot of modern sculpts with many options to pick from.

They could be holding off on discontinuing them until their replacements go on sale in October (or earlier) to clear out old stock.

What old stock? Cause there isn't any on our side of the pond.

There's still some destroyers and heavy destroyer upgrade packs in the UK. Thing is if they announced it was getting new sculpts the remaining stock would likely dry up from those who want to form complete units of the same aesthetic design and from fans (and scalpers)

That said they are still selling the old codex; which is surprising considering we know there is a new one out in October. Heck even the old Cryptek has hung around in finecast!

 Overread wrote:
There's still some destroyers and heavy destroyer upgrade packs in the UK. Thing is if they announced it was getting new sculpts the remaining stock would likely dry up from those who want to form complete units of the same aesthetic design and from fans (and scalpers)

That said they are still selling the old codex; which is surprising considering we know there is a new one out in October. Heck even the old Cryptek has hung around in finecast!

I mean It's not unheard of for GW to keep old models when they have an updated version made of them. AdMech still has two Enginseer models avalible, the new-ish plastic version and the antediluvian metal one.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Overread wrote:
It's very hard to predict. First off GW hasn't removed them from sale which suggests that if there is an update for them, it is a long long way off.

At the same time the glow-rod using canoptek from Forgeworld has been removed from sale (stalker - though I emailed them it is coming back). now this could be removing the glow rod and adding a new weapon attachment to it or just upgrading its price (the other multi-leg unit which is basically the same is £10 more expensive at present).


IT might be that he destroyers end up like the Lictor and Pyrovore for Tyranids - something that clearly is intended to be updated, just "not yet" and left out for a while.


Necrons already got a lot of new toys and even if the destroyers are not updated, Necrons will have a great force with a lot of modern sculpts with many options to pick from.

They could be holding off on discontinuing them until their replacements go on sale in October (or earlier) to clear out old stock.

What old stock? Cause there isn't any on our side of the pond.

Probably has to do with the upgrade packs too. The Destroyer Lord upgrade pack is still in stock on the US site, and I've seen the Heavy one pop in and out of stock. Maybe once all the destroyers + Dlord and Heavy D upgrade packs are gone then they will remove them from the store.

Or they could all be sitcking around Who knows.

Grabbed these from Facebook, 9th edition assembly guides reveal some new stats (icons in the stat lines too - edit: as pointed out, these are covered in the free rules PDF):

Spyders being potentially good, I never thought we'd see the day. Buffs to lychguard and praetorians are really nice too, a reason to take rods of covenant. Rod Praetorians just became tasty little primaris hunters.

 Gareth40K wrote:

And that would be a good explanation as to why the easy to build kits have disappeared... And I'm not sure I like the black along with the silver and brass Szarekhan colors.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Gareth40K wrote:

And that would be a good explanation as to why the easy to build kits have disappeared... And I'm not sure I like the black along with the silver and brass Szarekhan colors.

I actually like them a lot, I feel like it gives the army a more "regal" vibe to them, if that makes any sense. I gather a lot of folks do not like the new Necron lore (What, post 5th?) and prefer the old days when they were just mindless terminators. But I really, really dig this ancient egypt living/dead robots thing they've had going on for a few editions now. The only think I didn't like was the majority silver color, even though when I bought a necron army 4 years ago I did, admittedly paint them silver....

 Sasori wrote:



The Stalker is 130 and the Lokhust are 70 each.

I'm having a brain fart. That datasheet says 4PL for 2 models on the LHD does't it?


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Holy crap I NEED that spider.

I like the Szarekhan dynasty's silver and brass scheme, I just don't know if I like the black body on the Spyder (and most likely the other Canopteks) along with the silver and brass scheme. Personally neither of them hold a candle to the blood red Novokh dynasty's scheme...

 Daedalus81 wrote:
I'm having a brain fart. That datasheet says 4PL for 2 models on the LHD does't it?

No. It's 4PL for one, 8PL for two and 12PL for three.

 Ghaz wrote:

No. It's 4PL for one, 8PL for two and 12PL for three.

Ah. There we go. My brain started working again. Thanks! (sleep deprivation)

 Ghaz wrote:

 Oguhmek wrote:
Ugh, still with the D6 shots, D6 damage sillyness. Haven’t they got any feedback from the playtesters that it sucks?

The random number of shots is not as big of a deal with 9th edition rules.

How's so? A) that d6 is not blast if that's what you　refer b) you domt shoot d6 s10 -4 dd6 at hordes anyway unless you have won the game at which point nothing matters


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Voss wrote:
Yeah, I just got my indomitus stuff this weekend and hadn't taken a real look at the points book yet.

I really don't like the Lokhust compared to the current Heavy Destroyers. Average damage of 6 is very questionably worth the cost of almost 2 heavy Ds.

And with the Stalker at the lower points, I guess the question is 'why does the DDA exist?' They're just too similar for both to have a point.

Tougher, better guns, more manouverable when you need(los is a thing).

For 130 pts price bracket i'm looking at triarch stalkers. Mobile at which is what necrons need more

Dudeface wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
Liking the looks of the Lokhust Heavy Destroyers. The Gauss Destructor looks nasty. Definitely different from a normal heavy destroyer.

Logic stands that these are the "normal" heavy destroyers now.

I wonder if the only way to use the current heavy destroyers will be in fast attack as upgrades to normal destroyers.

Oh nice! Lychguard getting 3 attacks each now is nice, Praetorians getting the same and 2 dmg on their staves is super nice and I’ll have to get some with the Silent King. And damn! The spider looks juicy now! Them buffs are sah good!

 Gareth40K wrote:
Grabbed these from Facebook, 9th edition assembly guides reveal some new stats (icons in the stat lines too, maybe because the assembly guides are multilingual usually? This would save them printing the same stat line multiple times in the assembly guide, as the letters are usually different in different languages):

The rules pdf mentioned these (page 8), they're the new thing. Basically they decided that making an extra page for each language was costing them money, so they decided to put a 'condensed data sheet' with icons to reduce how much space profiles took up in assembly instructions. It also drops the rules text, so you can't get by just buying the kit, you need the relevant publication.



Interesting, though. Rods of the Covenant are suddenly a lot better, even if the voidblade still gives a bonus attack. Particle caster getting a second shot helps a bit, but the gun was a little add on to the extra melee punch.

Woo for spyder buff: 2 wounds, extra attack, claws with strength bonus, better AP and fixed 2 damage instead of d3. Feels like a mini distraction carnifex.
Not sure what's going on with that gun though. Was a pair of particle beamers, and now 'they' are presumable one gun with 6 shots, but less range and strength.

Voss wrote:
Interesting, though. Rods of the Covenant are suddenly a lot better, even if the voidblade still gives a bonus attack. Particle caster getting a second shot helps a bit, but the gun was a little add on to the extra melee punch.

Guess who just built 10 void blades

Gun is particularly dodgy because you don't neccessarily WANT to shoot it unless you have secondary target to shoot least you shoot yourself out of charge...Often enough doesn't require more than 1-2 casualties to increase range by 1".

Regarding the old destroyers - Darren Latham, miniatures designer at GW, just posted a WIP video of regular destroyers for his personal Necron army on Instagram. So I don’t expect them to be replaced anytime soon. As for the heavy one or the destroyer lord however, my instincts tells me that those will be replaced by the new models we’ve seen, but this is just pure speculation at the moment.

I think this resolves the destroyer question.

"Lokhust Heavy Destroyers" have the choice between a multi-shot autocannon type weapon and a single shot antitank weapon. Same as current Destroyers/Heavy Destroyers, they're just all called "heavy" now.

It doesn't really solve anything, and we've known this information since they were first officially revealed in June. We just didn't have the statline until yesterday.

The Enmitic weapon does not come anywhere close to fulfilling what the regular Gauss Cannon does and does not answer what is happening to the regular non-heavy destroyers.

the_scotsman wrote:
I think this resolves the destroyer question.

"Lokhust Heavy Destroyers" have the choice between a multi-shot autocannon type weapon and a single shot antitank weapon. Same as current Destroyers/Heavy Destroyers, they're just all called "heavy" now.

I agree that's likely the case, but it doesn't seem to be a popular opinion.

tneva82 wrote:

Voss wrote:
Interesting, though. Rods of the Covenant are suddenly a lot better, even if the voidblade still gives a bonus attack. Particle caster getting a second shot helps a bit, but the gun was a little add on to the extra melee punch.

Guess who just built 10 void blades

Gun is particularly dodgy because you don't neccessarily WANT to shoot it unless you have secondary target to shoot least you shoot yourself out of charge...Often enough doesn't require more than 1-2 casualties to increase range by 1".

I have 10 with rods, however I also have 9 heavy Destroyers and 12 normal Destroyers

Part of me hopes both are still in the new book, but honestly I'd settle for the normal ones sticking around and the heavy going away and I could just up'armor my current heavy D's and use them as lohkust HD

No special rules D:

It's very likely an oversight, the marine datasheets don't have any special rules as well.

Any one else notice a multi melta is heavy 2 and 1d6+2 damage at half range now

Danit wrote:
Any one else notice a multi melta is heavy 2 and 1d6+2 damage at half range now

They seem to have changed the Accelerator Auto Cannons to AP-1 (they were AP-2).

Found this on Reddit.