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 Tastyfish wrote:
My brother got a box of destroyers recently, the green rods have been replaced with grey plastic ones.


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 dan2026 wrote:
I can't see GW leaving any unit with the old green rods now.
They would look super out of place with everything else in the army.


If i would get euro for every time i have heard that kind of thing i would have couple extra armies by now

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 Tastyfish wrote:
My brother got a box of destroyers recently, the green rods have been replaced with grey plastic ones.

If that’s actually true, that box should also contain the new rules for them. Bold claim, I’d like to see if it’s true.
   
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I am not sure why people are assuming heavy destroyers are going away. Why would GW all of a sudden take heavy destroyers out? Especially considering there is a difference between them rules wise, I can see why you would want to take the new ones or the old ones in games. My advice is... don't make assumptions. Heavy destroyers will still be around. Just because a new unit comes out does not mean a unit will disappear suddenly out of the codex.
   
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Are those Necron datasheet images from the new codex? They do not look like the assembly guide to me.
   
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 oni wrote:
Are those Necron datasheet images from the new codex? They do not look like the assembly guide to me.


Could be a new campaign box set before the codex release.

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 Overread wrote:
 Tastyfish wrote:
My brother got a box of destroyers recently, the green rods have been replaced with grey plastic ones.


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It'd be a photo of three leadbelcher destroyers! I've asked him and apparently they came with both plain grey and the traditional green rods on separate sprues.
The box was unmarked and didn't include instructions at all...
   
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 Crusaderobr wrote:
I am not sure why people are assuming heavy destroyers are going away. Why would GW all of a sudden take heavy destroyers out? Especially considering there is a difference between them rules wise, I can see why you would want to take the new ones or the old ones in games. My advice is... don't make assumptions. Heavy destroyers will still be around. Just because a new unit comes out does not mean a unit will disappear suddenly out of the codex.

Yes, why would anyone assume Heavy Destroyers are being replaced by Lokhust Heavy Destroyers with a nearly identical gun and stats? Because GW have surely never replaced an old kit with a new one and added a weapon option to encourage purchases of the new variant before. I mean, imagine if exactly that had just happened with an iconic unit from the very same codex or something… or even two of them.
Especially if doing so would remove the need to maintain a contract with a third-party supplier for a tiny, fiddly component that looks out-of-place next to the aesthetic they’ve chosen for this edition.
The only question imho is what’s happening with regular Destroyers since we’ve seen no rumours or previews of a potential replacement.

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 Crusaderobr wrote:
I am not sure why people are assuming heavy destroyers are going away. Why would GW all of a sudden take heavy destroyers out? Especially considering there is a difference between them rules wise, I can see why you would want to take the new ones or the old ones in games. My advice is... don't make assumptions. Heavy destroyers will still be around. Just because a new unit comes out does not mean a unit will disappear suddenly out of the codex.



The fact that Heavy Destroyers are a green rod fine cast upgrade kit would be the main reason.

While I"m not sure if the regular destroyers are sticking around, there is almost a 0% that regular Heavy destroyers are sticking around. They are being replaced by the Lokhust Heavy Destroyers, with the original likely being just Lokhust Destroyers.

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I'm imagining at some point the regular destroyer kit will be replaced, but replacing the heavy destroyer kit now means getting rid of both the green rods and metal/finecast gun. That sounds like a no-brainer to do.

Shipping the regular destroyers with grey plastic rods sounds like a half-measure at best, if true.

This reminds me very much of the fairly recent redesign of the crisis suits - broadsides got their own kit distinct from the crisis suits, and then crisis suits got their own update (can't remember if it was at the same time, I think I remember they were done at different times).

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Where are the Heavy destroyer and canoptek walker data sheets from? it seems odd to me that the units have no special rules, surely they aren’t codex pics.

   
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Where are the Heavy destroyer and canoptek walker data sheets from? it seems odd to me that the units have no special rules, surely they aren’t codex pics.



We don't know. Best guess is from a draft version of Indomitus or a draft Indomitus expansion booklet.

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Guyver 3 wrote:
Where are the Heavy destroyer and canoptek walker data sheets from? it seems odd to me that the units have no special rules, surely they aren’t codex pics.



Again, that looks a lot like entries from a campaign box set booklet. But I could definitely be wrong.

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 Crusaderobr wrote:
I am not sure why people are assuming heavy destroyers are going away. Why would GW all of a sudden take heavy destroyers out? Especially considering there is a difference between them rules wise, I can see why you would want to take the new ones or the old ones in games. My advice is... don't make assumptions. Heavy destroyers will still be around. Just because a new unit comes out does not mean a unit will disappear suddenly out of the codex.



The fact that Heavy Destroyers are a green rod fine cast upgrade kit would be the main reason.

While I"m not sure if the regular destroyers are sticking around, there is almost a 0% that regular Heavy destroyers are sticking around. They are being replaced by the Lokhust Heavy Destroyers, with the original likely being just Lokhust Destroyers.


Ok well like I said that is your assumption to make. I still find it highly unlikely they will remove heavy destroyers just because a new different unit comes out. I guess well see who was right when the time comes. You could have just said " I think they are removing heavy destroyers out of the necron codex " saying something has a 0% chance is a pretty silly statement to make, and honestly doesn't make much sense, since you don't need to bring math into the equation to make a simple assumption like you have.

Removing heavy destroyers would be a dick move by GW, taking away models that people bought, painted, payed for with money and have been using for years is just daft. Plus like I said, there is room for both.
   
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 Crusaderobr wrote:
Ok well like I said that is your assumption to make. I still find it highly unlikely they will remove heavy destroyers just because a new different unit comes out.

Is it a different unit? Or is it the same unit with a different name and updated models?

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 Crusaderobr wrote:
Ok well like I said that is your assumption to make. I still find it highly unlikely they will remove heavy destroyers just because a new different unit comes out.

Is it a different unit? Or is it the same unit with a different name and updated models?


One could argue either case, but in my opinion, it is a different unit. Higher points cost, different statline, different name, 2 different guns. This is just my opinion though, yours may be different, and that is fine. I would be very surprised and a little irritated at GW if regular heavy destroyers all of a sudden disappeared out of the 9th edition codex. My friend regularly plays with 6-9 of them depending on the game. I am sure others play them as well.
   
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 Ghaz wrote:
 Crusaderobr wrote:
Ok well like I said that is your assumption to make. I still find it highly unlikely they will remove heavy destroyers just because a new different unit comes out.

Is it a different unit? Or is it the same unit with a different name and updated models?


Well let's see. Different point cost, different weapons, different stat line, GW saying it is new unit.

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That's not an opinion, it's an assumption.

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 EnTyme wrote:
That's not an opinion, it's an assumption.


It is both an opinion and an assumption. What is your point?
   
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 Crusaderobr wrote:
 Sasori wrote:
 Crusaderobr wrote:
I am not sure why people are assuming heavy destroyers are going away. Why would GW all of a sudden take heavy destroyers out? Especially considering there is a difference between them rules wise, I can see why you would want to take the new ones or the old ones in games. My advice is... don't make assumptions. Heavy destroyers will still be around. Just because a new unit comes out does not mean a unit will disappear suddenly out of the codex.



The fact that Heavy Destroyers are a green rod fine cast upgrade kit would be the main reason.

While I"m not sure if the regular destroyers are sticking around, there is almost a 0% that regular Heavy destroyers are sticking around. They are being replaced by the Lokhust Heavy Destroyers, with the original likely being just Lokhust Destroyers.


Ok well like I said that is your assumption to make. I still find it highly unlikely they will remove heavy destroyers just because a new different unit comes out. I guess well see who was right when the time comes. You could have just said " I think they are removing heavy destroyers out of the necron codex " saying something has a 0% chance is a pretty silly statement to make, and honestly doesn't make much sense, since you don't need to bring math into the equation to make a simple assumption like you have.

Removing heavy destroyers would be a dick move by GW, taking away models that people bought, painted, payed for with money and have been using for years is just daft. Plus like I said, there is room for both.


Do you really think it's more likely that GW keeps producing a kit that has both green rods and finecast (both of which GW is clearly trying to remove from it's model lineups), instead of just replacing it with the new plastic kit with an almost identical name, purpose and slot in the force org?

This is pretty typical on how GW does things, and it would not be the first or the last model to suffer this fate.

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The green rod theory does hold some weight.
The Cnoptys tomb stalker is No longer Available, and it used green rods.
Such a bummer because i was hoping to get one for my fledgling necron army.

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tneva82 wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
 Crusaderobr wrote:
Ok well like I said that is your assumption to make. I still find it highly unlikely they will remove heavy destroyers just because a new different unit comes out.

Is it a different unit? Or is it the same unit with a different name and updated models?


Well let's see. Different point cost, different weapons, different stat line, GW saying it is new unit.

None of those prevent GW from giving them the background fluff of the normal Destroyers and doing away with the old models.

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 Crusaderobr wrote:
 EnTyme wrote:
That's not an opinion, it's an assumption.


It is both an opinion and an assumption. What is your point?


"The new stats are better than the old ones" is an opinion. "The new stats are for a completely different unit" is an assumption.

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 Crusaderobr wrote:
 Sasori wrote:
 Crusaderobr wrote:
I am not sure why people are assuming heavy destroyers are going away. Why would GW all of a sudden take heavy destroyers out? Especially considering there is a difference between them rules wise, I can see why you would want to take the new ones or the old ones in games. My advice is... don't make assumptions. Heavy destroyers will still be around. Just because a new unit comes out does not mean a unit will disappear suddenly out of the codex.



The fact that Heavy Destroyers are a green rod fine cast upgrade kit would be the main reason.

While I"m not sure if the regular destroyers are sticking around, there is almost a 0% that regular Heavy destroyers are sticking around. They are being replaced by the Lokhust Heavy Destroyers, with the original likely being just Lokhust Destroyers.


Ok well like I said that is your assumption to make. I still find it highly unlikely they will remove heavy destroyers just because a new different unit comes out. I guess well see who was right when the time comes. You could have just said " I think they are removing heavy destroyers out of the necron codex " saying something has a 0% chance is a pretty silly statement to make, and honestly doesn't make much sense, since you don't need to bring math into the equation to make a simple assumption like you have.

Removing heavy destroyers would be a dick move by GW, taking away models that people bought, painted, payed for with money and have been using for years is just daft. Plus like I said, there is room for both.


Legends seems to indicate otherwise as several old models have been retired already, though I think we'll still see Destroyers and Heavy Destroyers, just with noticeably different models (again, thinking Tau Crisis suits vs. Broadside suits).

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 EnTyme wrote:
 Crusaderobr wrote:
 EnTyme wrote:
That's not an opinion, it's an assumption.


It is both an opinion and an assumption. What is your point?


"The new stats are better than the old ones" is an opinion. "The new stats are for a completely different unit" is an assumption.


Ok? So that useless bit of information is helpful to the discussion how? Do you have an opinion/assumption on heavy destroyers and the new models GW just released or are you going to sit back and tell people who post on this forum that a sentence they type about this subject is an opinion or assumption based on your opinion? If so that is really annoying, and your not contributing to the discussion very well.
   
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 gorgon wrote:
Again, that looks a lot like entries from a campaign box set booklet. But I could definitely be wrong.
That's what I've been thinking, an Indomitus expansion that contains all the EZ2B kits that are coming out.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 gorgon wrote:
Again, that looks a lot like entries from a campaign box set booklet. But I could definitely be wrong.
That's what I've been thinking, an Indomitus expansion that contains all the EZ2B kits that are coming out.


It might be. Take a look at the pics in the Starter set and Recruitment articles from today and yesterday.
The pics of the starter sets includes the Necron Warrior datasheet, and lacks its abilities (reroll 1s on RP and Reanimation Protocols). The 'Abilities' section between Wargear options and Keywords is just gone, just like our 4 mystery datasheets.

So they were either intended for these sets at some point, or there will be an EZ Build 'expansion box(es)' that contains some or all of them.

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Speaking of kits, now that we're a couple of weeks post launch of Indomitus, do we have any inclination of when kits will begin to roll out?

Given that we know there are still missing reveals for Space Marines (Land Speeder, Heavy Intecessors, Heavy Captain, Rumored replacement for the Vindicator) is it safe to assume that there are also unrevealed Necron kits beyond the (shooty Reapers)?
   
 
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