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Voss wrote:

Ugh. Those kind of numeric changes with the current 'to wound' chart makes my skin crawl.

Of course, because the way they are working right now is so much better ^^

 Crusaderobr wrote:
In the news today breaking : a group of excited 40k nerds claiming to be chaos players have just started breaking windows and looting across the New York area, shouting things like " Chaos are getting 2 wounds! " and " blood for the blood god! " We will keep you updated as this crowd tears through New York City on a rampage, it looks like nothing can stop them.

They don't need a weatherman to tell 'em from which side the wind blows.

tneva82 wrote:
If you don't want to take constantly changing things you are in wrong game. GW changes things constantly to make sure different things sell. Once they have sold unit X so much it doesn't sell much change balance so unit Y that hasn't sold that much before is selling better then.

Yes - nobody owns any first born at all. There will totally be a surge of sales instead of people just opening their cabinets.

Hell I'm not even going to bother with the ETB MM Helbrutes I have. Just gonna buy new ones.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
If you don't want to take constantly changing things you are in wrong game. GW changes things constantly to make sure different things sell. Once they have sold unit X so much it doesn't sell much change balance so unit Y that hasn't sold that much before is selling better then.

Yes - nobody owns any first born at all. There will totally be a surge of sales instead of people just opening their cabinets.

Hell I'm not even going to bother with the ETB MM Helbrutes I have. Just gonna buy new ones.

To be fair, there does seem to be a lot of new players jumping in for the 9th. It even seems like more than the number for 8th. Which really felt like was more players that dropped out because of 6th/7th edition more than brand new players. I can't say that for certain of course. But given the other part of the internet that I have visited it definitely feels like it.

There does seem to be a lot of people popping out of the woodwork, but that may be the "I stopped playing, because GW invalidated my old marines, but now they're good again" crowd.

up to a point it is easier to buy new stuff instead of tweaking the old models to fit new rules

specially if you not used magnets on everything and even in that case you still might need new weapons and if 3rd party bits are not an option you are for sure going to buy some GW boxes

 Daedalus81 wrote:
There does seem to be a lot of people popping out of the woodwork, but that may be the "I stopped playing, because GW invalidated my old marines, but now they're good again" crowd.

Jokes on them in a few years I 'spose.

As long as Xenos gets a similar overhaul... This could be a really really good thing depending on how it turns out. Unfortunately I don’t think we’ll have an accurate gauge of how good this edition is without either several more codices after space marines, unless they have some way like indices to rope the rest of the factions along for the update.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
There does seem to be a lot of people popping out of the woodwork, but that may be the "I stopped playing, because GW invalidated my old marines, but now they're good again" crowd.

Jokes on them in a few years I 'spose.

Unless it means they get a few more years out of their collection that they didn't think they had?

I think this is definitely not the time to run out and drop piles of cash on old marines, because I don't trust GW, but why not get some fun out of a codex update improving your list?

Assuming old marines do get squatted, I expect it's going to be a question of do proxy them as new marines or CSM based on which feels closest to the options/style you like, but various types of marine players (for instance, the long periods when CSM have been trash) have been doing that for years to optimize which power armor is the best, so I don't think it'll be that hard, just increasingly anachronistic, but I respect people who've held onto their ancient beaky lists for nostalgia or retro fun or whatever.

Hm, now might be very much the time to drop piles of cash on old marines. Because if/when GW does cut them they will probably maintain and even increase in value quite well.

Could the new gold be... plastic?

this is now going to be the tricky part, finding the right time to sell all the old-marines you have for the best possible price

Funny the oldmarines will be squatted crowd's predictions keep getting squashed though. First it was v2 codex that was supposed to be primaris only. Or the 9th ed. Neither happened. When v2 codex came out next step on removal was supposed to be oldmarines be nerfed to death so nobody would bother to use them. Instead they got hefty buff and now THAT is supposedly part of. So first plan was to nerf them and squat them except now it's been buff them before squatting all the time

any prediction here is useless as GW themself don't know what they should do

I guess their very first plan did not work out that well, yet expirments with different designs/styles gave varoius results

now they are doing what should have been done with the 8th Index

at the moment I am not sure what will happen after 9th, maybe we see Primaris being scrapped and GW goes back to full Old-Marines again

 kodos wrote:
any prediction here is useless as GW themself don't know what they should do

I guess their very first plan did not work out that well, yet expirments with different designs/styles gave varoius results

now they are doing what should have been done with the 8th Index

at the moment I am not sure what will happen after 9th, maybe we see Primaris being scrapped and GW goes back to full Old-Marines again

They could stop calling them "primaris". Anything else, I very much doubt it.

tneva82 wrote:
Funny the oldmarines will be squatted crowd's predictions keep getting squashed though.

Nah. Getting rid of the First Born product line is a long term project. You can't just do it in an edition.

As I said when this was first announced, the lines between First Born and Primaris will blurr with this latest change. And then maybe with the next Marine Codex, or perhaps even the one after that (into 10th Ed by that stage, no doubt), they can talk about how it's time to "rationalise" the Space Marine line, because there are so many "redundant choices" that are just "confusing to new players", so now they will "retire" the older kits.

They will probably first moved to online only so new players get less exposed to them and don't buy them. So the percentage of active marine players with old marines in their army will drop more and more until they can safely squat them without too much of an uproar. Plus they probably make it official that you can use old marines as primaris. This will be then silently dropped in the next codex. But I would wager it takes at least 6 years before they stop selling them.

What exactly would incentive them to stop selling old marines at this point?

I think this "...aaaaaand everyone is primaris now" is an elegant way out of angering people by not updating every chapter-specific unit and old fan-favorites like death company, crusader squads, terminators or sternguard while at the same time not angering everyone else by releasing nothing but primaris for another two years. At some point an annoyed fanbase turns into lost money.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Funny the oldmarines will be squatted crowd's predictions keep getting squashed though.

Nah. Getting rid of the First Born product line is a long term project. You can't just do it in an edition.

As I said when this was first announced, the lines between First Born and Primaris will blurr with this latest change. And then maybe with the next Marine Codex, or perhaps even the one after that (into 10th Ed by that stage, no doubt), they can talk about how it's time to "rationalise" the Space Marine line, because there are so many "redundant choices" that are just "confusing to new players", so now they will "retire" the older kits.

Or, two years down the line, they could release firstborn marines in the same proportions as the new chaos marines, so they look fairly normal next to primaris. And then never stop selling either of the types of marine because why would you?

 ph34r wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Funny the oldmarines will be squatted crowd's predictions keep getting squashed though.

Nah. Getting rid of the First Born product line is a long term project. You can't just do it in an edition.

As I said when this was first announced, the lines between First Born and Primaris will blurr with this latest change. And then maybe with the next Marine Codex, or perhaps even the one after that (into 10th Ed by that stage, no doubt), they can talk about how it's time to "rationalise" the Space Marine line, because there are so many "redundant choices" that are just "confusing to new players", so now they will "retire" the older kits.

Or, two years down the line, they could release firstborn marines in the same proportions as the new chaos marines, so they look fairly normal next to primaris. And then never stop selling either of the types of marine because why would you?

Isn't that what the gashapon marine blind boxes were? I would not be surprised if those were an Option B for the marine reboot but they opted for the more drastic Option A primaris.

macluvin wrote:
As long as Xenos gets a similar overhaul... This could be a really really good thing depending on how it turns out. Unfortunately I don’t think we’ll have an accurate gauge of how good this edition is without either several more codices after space marines, unless they have some way like indices to rope the rest of the factions along for the update.

In one of the lead up articles about rules to 9th, they explicitly stated all 9th edition armies were tested together, implying that the codexes are already written. They just need to be printed and put into some type of release schedule. I expect we will know more come the end of September, early Orktober.


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 Jidmah wrote:
What exactly would incentive them to stop selling old marines at this point?

I think this "...aaaaaand everyone is primaris now" is an elegant way out of angering people by not updating every chapter-specific unit and old fan-favorites like death company, crusader squads, terminators or sternguard while at the same time not angering everyone else by releasing nothing but primaris for another two years. At some point an annoyed fanbase turns into lost money.

Or, they use the old marine line as an excuse to take HH full plastic with existing kits, allowing FW to fill out the empty spots. Just as planned.

Why would they take HH to full plastic?
Why (at this point, especially with plastic) would FW be involved?

I'd love HH to go all plastic, but honestly I'd just be satisfied with plastic Mk.II Marines.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'd love HH to go all plastic, but honestly I'd just be satisfied with plastic Mk.II Marines.

If only they hadn't made the new Deimos Rhino sprues Sisters branded. Huge missed opportunity, IMO.

Genuinely, the only thing stopping me jumping wallet first into 30k is the complete lack of MkII armour.

Plastic MkII would see me drop fat stacks of cash on the counter of the nearest GW.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'd love HH to go all plastic, but honestly I'd just be satisfied with plastic Mk.II Marines.

If only they hadn't made the new Deimos Rhino sprues Sisters branded. Huge missed opportunity, IMO.

the actual sisters rhino is just a mars pattern with a upgrade sprue, only the exorcist and immolator are deimos pattern

I think HBBC's scenario sounds pretty reasonable, I wouldn't be too bothered if GW played it that way.

Voss wrote:
Why would they take HH to full plastic?
Why (at this point, especially with plastic) would FW be involved?

When I was playing, it was a common topic of discussion. A lot of potential players would say "I'd play the game if it wasn't in resin." FW prices make GW standard prices look like Walmart prices, and I think this would be the chief reason to go full plastic. Most of the stuff in 40K mini-marine line is 30K compatible, or could easily be added to the 30K restaurant.

 Togusa wrote:

macluvin wrote:
As long as Xenos gets a similar overhaul... This could be a really really good thing depending on how it turns out. Unfortunately I don’t think we’ll have an accurate gauge of how good this edition is without either several more codices after space marines, unless they have some way like indices to rope the rest of the factions along for the update.

In one of the lead up articles about rules to 9th, they explicitly stated all 9th edition armies were tested together, implying that the codexes are already written. They just need to be printed and put into some type of release schedule. I expect we will know more come the end of September, early Orktober.

That does not imply that at all. It means all armies were playtested with 9th core rules. It doesn't mean they've also written and playtested every rule that will be released for the next 3 to 4 years.

BrianDavion wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'd love HH to go all plastic, but honestly I'd just be satisfied with plastic Mk.II Marines.

If only they hadn't made the new Deimos Rhino sprues Sisters branded. Huge missed opportunity, IMO.

the actual sisters rhino is just a mars pattern with a upgrade sprue, only the exorcist and immolator are deimos pattern

I see that now. The Deimos body sprue exists, it is just meant for the big Sisters tanks (no roof and all).

 Togusa wrote:

macluvin wrote:
As long as Xenos gets a similar overhaul... This could be a really really good thing depending on how it turns out. Unfortunately I don’t think we’ll have an accurate gauge of how good this edition is without either several more codices after space marines, unless they have some way like indices to rope the rest of the factions along for the update.

In one of the lead up articles about rules to 9th, they explicitly stated all 9th edition armies were tested together, implying that the codexes are already written. They just need to be printed and put into some type of release schedule. I expect we will know more come the end of September, early Orktober.

"Here, play this miserably balanced, broken, beta test version instead for the next year while we slooooooooooooooowly extract all the value out of you we can by selling 40$ hardback books. Nobody playtested the version YOURE going to be playing, hahahahahaahahahahaha, what?"