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So I am mildly curious about the Countertemporal Nanomites ability. It says "pick a unit within 18 inches" to apply its debuff to. How would this interact with a unit embarked on a transport?

Would it:
A) The debuff only affects the transport, and the unit may disembark and advance/charge normally.
B) The debuff affects both the transport and the unit inside of it.

I can easily see an argument for both. For A, the unit on board is technically a different unit from the one selected (the transport), but for B, well, the unit is inside of the transport and it would make sense for the unit to be harmed by the debuff.

I would personally guess A simply because GW usually tries to differentiate between the unit in the transport and the transport itself, what with auras, abilities, etc not working and for the most part the unit counting as not there. On the same coin, I'd personally prefer B to be the actual ruling since it gives the ability a slightly wider use.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Matrindur wrote:
I actually don't think they will be Start Collecting boxes as none of them have any kind of base to start collecting, the necron one doesn't even have a normal unit (I count the Cryptothralls as part of the Plasmancer) and if they put some troops or other units in there too I think the SC will get too big compared to normal ones

Well of course they'll put some regular units in there. I wasn't expecting those big sprues from Indomitus to be the only things in the box.

They'll probably throw in 5 Assault Intercessors and some Outriders for the Marines, and a set of EZ2B Warriors for the Necrons.

But 5 Assault Intercessors and Outriders would overlap too much with the Command/Elite edition and if we won't get the Dark Imperium characters (except the Gravis Captain) as multipart releases those halves should be repackaged into SC too.

 Lord Perversor wrote:
Nothing he was just joking about spam marine supplements instead codex for other armies non Marine.

Also i find curious that the Heavy Intercessors are weapon locked by the Heavy bolter. you are locked to the basic weapon with the Heavy bolter or get the Special Heavy Bolters and be able to swap everyone else weapons.... (expect an Errata soon after codex hits )

Oh. That was mean.

Also I got it after reading it twice, because they mixed up names. If you're using the default Bolt Rifle, you get the option for a Heavy Bolter. If you pick that Heavy Bolter, no switching to any of the other guns.
So if you dont have it, you can switch to the other guns. Those guns unlock their own variation of that Heavy Bolter. It's a convoluted way to word it but it does technically work.

 Irbis wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
And you think think that is a fair and even spread... that release list includes more marine books than 30k has!

This is a complete and utter nonsense seeing there are THREE equivalents of Codex: SM in 30K, plus TWENTY supplements (18 for legions, blackshields, and errants), plus all the rules in NINE black books, as compared to one Codex with nine supplements in 40K. That despite not only 40K marines being more divergent than 30K ones, but also the books combining two armies (squatmarines and primaris) instead of being just filled with 847895786 variations of tactical squad 30K has. If 40K was anywhere like 30K, you'd have 90 supplements for SM, one per each company, describing the incredible difference in rites of war between 3rd and 4th companies of Iron Hands.

Sometimes the whinge here gets so inane I am wondering if it's posted from some alternate reality, but claiming 30K is somehow better than 40K despite being several times worse takes writing from Bizarro land, not just twisted dimension

Dakka is known as being pretty negative about things for the wrong reasons. It's pretty much just how Dakka is now.

So have do people feel about the heavy intercessor weapon options outside the clarity of the wording? Like which option to choose.I really want to get bunch of these guys, they look absolutely rad.

And does it seem that they're a dual kit with the eradicators of a separate kit?

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
And you think think that is a fair and even spread... that release list includes more marine books than 30k has!

This is a complete and utter nonsense seeing there are THREE equivalents of Codex: SM in 30K, plus TWENTY supplements (18 for legions, blackshields, and errants), plus all the rules in NINE black books, as compared to one Codex with nine supplements in 40K. That despite not only 40K marines being more divergent than 30K ones, but also the books combining two armies (squatmarines and primaris) instead of being just filled with 847895786 variations of tactical squad 30K has. If 40K was anywhere like 30K, you'd have 90 supplements for SM, one per each company, describing the incredible difference in rites of war between 3rd and 4th companies of Iron Hands.

Sometimes the whinge here gets so inane I am wondering if it's posted from some alternate reality, but claiming 30K is somehow better than 40K despite being several times worse takes writing from Bizarro land, not just twisted dimension

Dakka is known as being pretty negative about things for the wrong reasons. It's pretty much just how Dakka is now.

At least 30k has no non-Marines for GW to neglect

After Intercessors, Incursors, Infiltrators and 2w Tactical Marines... Was another bolter based heavy infantry troops unit reeeaaaly necessary?

kurhanik wrote:
So I am mildly curious about the Countertemporal Nanomites ability. It says "pick a unit within 18 inches" to apply its debuff to. How would this interact with a unit embarked on a transport?

Well, the whole "abilities" thing for embarked units still needs clearing up, but for this one it seems pretty clear. An embarked unit isn't on the tabletop - therefore, it isn't within 18" of the Chronomancer, so you can't choose that unit.
You can choose their transport, but the debuff won't carry over onto the embarked unit because it has no permission to (this would also break the Nanomites' own wording of selecting only one enemy unit, which you've already chosen as the transport).

Wigum211 wrote:
After Intercessors, Incursors, Infiltrators and 2w Tactical Marines... Was another bolter based heavy infantry troops unit reeeaaaly necessary?

No. But they look great so I'm glad we go them.

Wigum211 wrote:
After Intercessors, Incursors, Infiltrators and 2w Tactical Marines... Was another bolter based heavy infantry troops unit reeeaaaly necessary?

In a game of imaginary toy soldiers, what does necessary have to do with anything?

Besides, Gravis Marines are the Primaris Terminators. Can't have terminators walking around with regular bolters or bolt rifles, so Heavy Bolt Rifles (and variants) it is.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I like how the new Destroyers look almost exactly like the original Wraiths

But different enough that you can't really use the old models.

I'm still going to use them as destroyers.
They look more like Ophydians now than Canoptek Wraiths anyway. They just don't have the silly extra arms that make no sense because there's no real way they can articulate them.

Wigum211 wrote:
After Intercessors, Incursors, Infiltrators and 2w Tactical Marines... Was another bolter based heavy infantry troops unit reeeaaaly necessary?

I find them an interesting unit, at 7pl, theyre not cheap by any stretch, probably 150ish, but their output is pretty low all things considered. They fill a niche of really durable objective humpers that aren't really going to accomplish much of a return.

 Crimson wrote:
So have do people feel about the heavy intercessor weapon options outside the clarity of the wording? Like which option to choose.I really want to get bunch of these guys, they look absolutely rad.

And does it seem that they're a dual kit with the eradicators of a separate kit?

As with regular Intercessor weapons, it's going to depend on your faction. White Scars will want the Assault version, Ultramarines will want the Rapid Fire, and so on.

Probably.

New basic Hv Marines are good - they look very cool.
Bladeguard Veterans are again good looking models

The Speeder is....ok I guess....not really impressed

New Necrons are also impressive but look fragile (in terms of model breakage)

Great looking Deathguard model

Nice to see the FW book, and I think most of us were expecting the Wolves and Angels having their books asap, hopefully with all the bonus Primaris stuff for them in main codex thats them done and everyone else can get a look in.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
And you think think that is a fair and even spread... that release list includes more marine books than 30k has!

This is a complete and utter nonsense seeing there are THREE equivalents of Codex: SM in 30K, plus TWENTY supplements (18 for legions, blackshields, and errants), plus all the rules in NINE black books, as compared to one Codex with nine supplements in 40K. That despite not only 40K marines being more divergent than 30K ones, but also the books combining two armies (squatmarines and primaris) instead of being just filled with 847895786 variations of tactical squad 30K has. If 40K was anywhere like 30K, you'd have 90 supplements for SM, one per each company, describing the incredible difference in rites of war between 3rd and 4th companies of Iron Hands.

Sometimes the whinge here gets so inane I am wondering if it's posted from some alternate reality, but claiming 30K is somehow better than 40K despite being several times worse takes writing from Bizarro land, not just twisted dimension

Dakka is known as being pretty negative about things for the wrong reasons. It's pretty much just how Dakka is now.

At least 30k has no non-Marines for GW to neglect

30k also has Custodes, Mechanicus, Solar Auxalii, Imperial Knights, Imperial Militia and Cults, and Daemons of the ruinstorm. Congratulations, you are still in the wrong reasons category.

I am surprised more people are not happy about the supplements. Getting these almost all out of the way this early clears the way for more actual codexes.

We are in essence getting 7 9th edition codexes in less than 3 months.

 Sasori wrote:
I am surprised more people are not happy about the supplements. Getting these almost all out of the way this early clears the way for more actual codexes.

We are in essence getting 7 9th edition codexes in less than 3 months.

This very much.

 Crimson wrote:
So have do people feel about the heavy intercessor weapon options outside the clarity of the wording? Like which option to choose.I really want to get bunch of these guys, they look absolutely rad.

And does it seem that they're a dual kit with the eradicators of a separate kit?

I like them and will get a unit probably equipped with regular heavy bolt rifles and heavy bolters as I play UM so the -1 to hit penalty won’t apply to me for two turns as I move up the board with them.

 Sasori wrote:
I am surprised more people are not happy about the supplements. Getting these almost all out of the way this early clears the way for more actual codexes.

We are in essence getting 7 9th edition codexes in less than 3 months.

I think it has more to do with how the supplements are going to be shipped. If they are an extra in a week's release, then fantastic. However, if they are taking up a slot that normally would go to a tome/codex then they are taking up valuable faction space from AoS/40k. Currently it seems to be the former.

I think the more interesting part of this release is that they've now effectively filled up all the missing slots for Primaris, making Old Marines something that isn't really needed anymore unless *reasons*.

No wolves on Fenris wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
So have do people feel about the heavy intercessor weapon options outside the clarity of the wording? Like which option to choose.I really want to get bunch of these guys, they look absolutely rad.

And does it seem that they're a dual kit with the eradicators of a separate kit?

I like them and will get a unit probably equipped with regular heavy bolt rifles and heavy bolters as I play UM so the -1 to hit penalty won’t apply to me for two turns as I move up the board with them.

I was already doing Stalker Intercessors and ill probably do Stalker here again. The Heavy Bolter version being D3 with all the D2 is enough for me to consider them.

 Eldarsif wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
I am surprised more people are not happy about the supplements. Getting these almost all out of the way this early clears the way for more actual codexes.

We are in essence getting 7 9th edition codexes in less than 3 months.

I think it has more to do with how the supplements are going to be shipped. If they are an extra in a week's release, then fantastic. However, if they are taking up a slot that normally would go to a tome/codex then they are taking up valuable faction space from AoS/40k. Currently it seems to be the former.

I think the more interesting part of this release is that they've now effectively filled up all the missing slots for Primaris, making Old Marines something that isn't really needed anymore unless *reasons*.

The reason usually being *these are way better than the primaris equivalent*. Gravpod anyone?

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
And you think think that is a fair and even spread... that release list includes more marine books than 30k has!

This is a complete and utter nonsense seeing there are THREE equivalents of Codex: SM in 30K, plus TWENTY supplements (18 for legions, blackshields, and errants), plus all the rules in NINE black books, as compared to one Codex with nine supplements in 40K. That despite not only 40K marines being more divergent than 30K ones, but also the books combining two armies (squatmarines and primaris) instead of being just filled with 847895786 variations of tactical squad 30K has. If 40K was anywhere like 30K, you'd have 90 supplements for SM, one per each company, describing the incredible difference in rites of war between 3rd and 4th companies of Iron Hands.

Sometimes the whinge here gets so inane I am wondering if it's posted from some alternate reality, but claiming 30K is somehow better than 40K despite being several times worse takes writing from Bizarro land, not just twisted dimension

Dakka is known as being pretty negative about things for the wrong reasons. It's pretty much just how Dakka is now.

At least 30k has no non-Marines for GW to neglect

See those guys crying in the corner? They’re the Solar Auxilia.

 Eldarsif wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
I am surprised more people are not happy about the supplements. Getting these almost all out of the way this early clears the way for more actual codexes.

We are in essence getting 7 9th edition codexes in less than 3 months.

I think it has more to do with how the supplements are going to be shipped. If they are an extra in a week's release, then fantastic. However, if they are taking up a slot that normally would go to a tome/codex then they are taking up valuable faction space from AoS/40k. Currently it seems to be the former.

This is one of those situations where GW can't win. If they rush out the supplements early so they can focus on other armies after, people will complain because "they're taking slots for non-Marines!" If they push out a bunch of quick books for various armies like they did at the beginning of 8th, people will complain that the books were rushed and not as good as the later books because they didn't have enough time to properly work on them like happened with the early 8th ed books.

I am pretty happy with all of the reveals today, the only one I am iffy about is the new Deathguard character. I am not sure what it is, maybe it is a bit too angular compared to the recent DG releases? But I am not a fan.

Otherwise put me down for all of the Newcrons and a few select Primaris units for my Celestial Lions.

 Crimson wrote:
So have do people feel about the heavy intercessor weapon options outside the clarity of the wording? Like which option to choose.I really want to get bunch of these guys, they look absolutely rad.

I think the loser here is the Hellstorm, as the Hellstorm Heavy Bolter basically goes against what the rest of the unit is doing, given it's Heavy 4 rather than Assault 4. The Executor weapons are nice, but Heavy 1 on the basic guns might make the standard the more attractive choice, even though a 42" range is very nice.

Either way I think they look cool, so that's good.

 Crimson wrote:
And does it seem that they're a dual kit with the eradicators of a separate kit?

I imagine that the Eradicators (and Blade Guard) will be separate kits with price tags similar (if not more) than the Eliminators.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
So have do people feel about the heavy intercessor weapon options outside the clarity of the wording? Like which option to choose.I really want to get bunch of these guys, they look absolutely rad.

I think the loser here is the Hellstorm, as the Hellstorm Heavy Bolter basically goes against what the rest of the unit is doing, given it's Heavy 4 rather than Assault 4. The Executor weapons are nice, but Heavy 1 on the basic guns might make the standard the more attractive choice, even though a 42" range is very nice.

Either way I think they look cool, so that's good.

I think the standard is the best loadout so far, but if bringing Hellstorm, I think it's probably better to leave the Heavy at home precisely because it doesn't want to do what the rest of the unit is doing.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
I am pretty happy with all of the reveals today, the only one I am iffy about is the new Deathguard character. I am not sure what it is, maybe it is a bit too angular compared to the recent DG releases? But I am not a fan.
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I rather like him, except the pink belly-pouch, and even with the normal hand-to-power fist size disparity, that right hand looks really small. Its somewhat difficult to tell from that angle, but the right leg, the rebreather and the spikes(?) above the helmet give the model a unified sense of movement and posture. I think it will look better from a side angle.


Interesting to note, however, we now know that Chaos isn't get the base codex + supplements treatment. The god chapters (at least the established god chapters) are keeping their own entirely separate books.


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Heavy Intercessors..
hellstorm is going to depend entirely on point cost. They don't want the heavy version slowing them down, but without it, I'm not sure they do enough over standard intercessors with autorifles. On the other hand, they're the version most likely to be operating forward, where the extra toughness and wounds really matters.

Heavies and executors seem great as backline 5-man support units that can also sit on objectives. That they also have combat squads makes this pretty ideal.

3W per model heavy support-lite Troop unit seems pretty crazy though.

They do look good though. Really like the gravis models.

The necron stuff:

Damn why didn0t i start with necrons instead of my R&H...

The marine stuff:

Shovel ware for the shovel ware god.

As for the FW stuff...

Yay for DKoK shame tho their adversary bit the dust aswell... Also one book compendium, how likely are the chances that this book is just index FW with no whistles attached at all making virtually everything in there a massive selfgimp or not working?

MonkeyBallistic wrote:

Cronch wrote:
ugh. The joke about "making more primaris" is literally the same they made 2 years ago about opening new Stormcast chambers. Except then it was kinda charming and followed by zero new SCE releases since. Here we actually know we'll just get more marines crammed down everyone's throats.

The heavy armor marines look neat, if again entirely redundant.
The flying brick thingy is the worst vehicle model GW ever produced, period. That includes the deo stick tank from Rogue Trader.

Yes! Because my subjective opinion is FACT! Nobody plays marines because they love marines. It’s because FW force them to, they’d all rather be playing my favourite army but GW dies release any models for it because they are idiots who hate money!

Am I doing Dakka right now?

almost, there wasnt enuff whine in your post, ratchet it up another 200% and you might get close.


Personally, the heavy intercessors are stupid and will not be getting any. speeders are ok but not at the $€£¥ they're gonna charge for them.
I'm glad Assault Intercessor sgts can take THUNDER HAMMERS AND HAND FLAMERS, I guess the donkey-caves on here that called me a cheater for building some can SUCK IT!
Did eradicators need a MM? umm no. will I buy more, no

Necron models are a home run and if I cared about them I'd build an army of them, but alas they're not Chaos androids built by chaos Squats soo.....they do nothing for me.

Shame that they didn't show how the models for the different heavy bolt rifle variants look like. I hope they look more distinct than the variants of the regular bolt rifle.