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Expanse continues to be good but def felt this was the weakest season by a long way - but when its competition is dog gak like Discovery then its going to shine mighty bright by comparison IMO
for me:
the good
Spoiler:
Amos and Peaches - good fun and great pay off at the end - although even this story was spun out a bit.
Drummers story - good character and liked the interplay with the crew
Space battles - really done well.
Given the situation with Alex - that was probably as good an ending for his character as we were going to get
Excellent ending scenes - all with none of the main cast
The bad
Spoiler:
Pacing - the whole Naomi plot was (for me) dull and mssively overlong and drawn out - I am at the point where i was hoping she would just blow the ship upo to save the others - something that apparently never occurred to her after all she did get Alex killed.....
Lack of context - usually they are very good at showing whats going on but they jumped around quite a bit without showing enough of the steps for our fav Sec General to regain power.
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"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
AduroT wrote: I’d not heard what the news and fuss was before this, so I went in with no clue who was expected to die to missing the last season. Went and read up on it afterwards. Apparently they changed Fred’s death earlier in the season to be entirely different from the books. Our edited in death this episode was the same cause as Fred’s originally was, though in a different circumstance, so it’s not some Entirely random thing, it’s a very real risk from what he did. Makes me fine with using it as the way out.
Well, Fred didn't die in the book.
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AduroT wrote: I’d not heard what the news and fuss was before this, so I went in with no clue who was expected to die to missing the last season. Went and read up on it afterwards. Apparently they changed Fred’s death earlier in the season to be entirely different from the books. Our edited in death this episode was the same cause as Fred’s originally was, though in a different circumstance, so it’s not some Entirely random thing, it’s a very real risk from what he did. Makes me fine with using it as the way out.
Well, Fred didn't die in the book.
Did he not? The article I read said he died of a stroke after a high g spaceship fight.
Did he not? The article I read said he died of a stroke after a high g spaceship fight.
He does, but it occurs during what would be Season 6 by the book timeline. There are some significant plot divergences between the books and show beginning to emerge.
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Did he not? The article I read said he died of a stroke after a high g spaceship fight.
He does, but it occurs during what would be Season 6 by the book timeline. There are some significant plot divergences between the books and show beginning to emerge.
Having not read the books, I do like how the article framed the changes with his death. Raising the stakes and consequences on the station coup, spreading several things he did onto a few other characters so they could happen simultaneously and not need him traveling there, ect.
Can someone who read the books fill me in on the meaning of the final scene this season? Obviously, don't read below if you're adverse to spoilers.
Spoiler:
It looks like the Martian admiral's ship was incinerated at the molecular level instead of the normal ring gate translation. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't reading too much into it. Obviously, I don't mind spoilers.
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warboss wrote: Can someone who read the books fill me in on the meaning of the final scene this season? Obviously, don't read below if you're adverse to spoilers.
Spoiler:
It looks like the Martian admiral's ship was incinerated at the molecular level instead of the normal ring gate translation. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't reading too much into it. Obviously, I don't mind spoilers.
Spoiler:
It is tied to the things that killed the proto- molecule creators.
being killed, possessed or something else and the bracelet - was it more than just a lucky charm?
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Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
warboss wrote: Can someone who read the books fill me in on the meaning of the final scene this season? Obviously, don't read below if you're adverse to spoilers.
Spoiler:
It looks like the Martian admiral's ship was incinerated at the molecular level instead of the normal ring gate translation. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't reading too much into it. Obviously, I don't mind spoilers.
Spoiler:
As stated, it's the Unknown Aggressors, IE: the enemy that wiped out the Builders, throwing a wrench in the works and destroying the Barkeith. They become a much larger part of the narrative in the later books, especially post the time skip that will happen in the narrative at the end of "Season 6" in the chronology.
The show isnt currently slated to deal with any of the post time skip events in a significant fashion, but it's nice to see them doing the world building to keep the universe alive all the same
Having Not read the books, or the above spoilers because he asked for book knowledge input, my interpretation is
Spoiler:
The aliens who are enemies of the Proto molecule aliens grabbed em up. There was reference at the beginning of this season to them, and Holden iirc being aware of/seeing them during ring transits. I imagine they were snatched because they were transporting the stolen proto molecule sample and the “enemies” decided they’d had enough of that.
Again, this is without me wanting knowledge of book events yet to pass.
I decided to wait till now and just finished binging the whole season. Liked it a lot, but wasn't a fan of the death in that last episode. Is it like that in the books? I always wonder if it's hollywood shenanigans where the actor wants to quit or does something to get fired or something.
Looking forward to season 6, guess it's a long long way off thanks to covid.
Necros wrote: I decided to wait till now and just finished binging the whole season. Liked it a lot, but wasn't a fan of the death in that last episode. Is it like that in the books? I always wonder if it's hollywood shenanigans where the actor wants to quit or does something to get fired or something.
Looking forward to season 6, guess it's a long long way off thanks to covid.
In the books, there are a whole lot of ships who disappear transiting the rings.
They call it "going Dutchman" after the Flying Dutchman legend. They just disappear and are never seen again.
Given that the protomolecule doesn't really destroy, it studies and reuses matter (it learns, and every molecule of it is quantum synced to each other, so when any part learns, they ALL know it) it's not much of a stretch if the enemy that killed the builders off couldn't do similar things.
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We waited for all ten episodes to up and then watched two a night.
From this perspective the show was riveting viewing. Each episode seemed to just race along, leaving the ends on a cliff-hanger helps of course.
I thought, all things considered, Alex's death was well handled. It put the emphasis on the risk of doing Hi-gee burns, and was a real 'Walsh is dead' moment for us.
We go into season 6 knowing that a member of the main cast died. That really racks up the tension for the casual viewer.
Ah well, sucks the actor had to get himself fired, would have been nice to keep the team together till the end. I didn't even realize he actually died until the next scene when they were talking about it. But I guess they handled it the best way they could.
Necros wrote: Ah well, sucks the actor had to get himself fired, would have been nice to keep the team together till the end. I didn't even realize he actually died until the next scene when they were talking about it. But I guess they handled it the best way they could.
Other than actually filming him dying or at least the immediate precursor/circumstances of him dying (like the actual maneuver and its physical effects on both Bobby and him). Admittedly I didn't freeze frame and examine the scene on a big screen but it looked like a freeze frame with CG floating blood bubbles added in. I'd say that was only slightly better than dying in a flashback personally.
I thought, all things considered, Alex's death was well handled. It put the emphasis on the risk of doing Hi-gee burns, and was a real 'Walsh is dead' moment for us.
We go into season 6 knowing that a member of the main cast died. That really racks up the tension for the casual viewer.
I'd have agreed if they had shown the actual consequences in action or at least some cast interaction with finding the body. Imagine if Walsh's death was just a still shot of the spear through his chest and then a quick memorial speech afterwards. It felt like a quick "oh gak" after the fact add on in post with maybe a single day of reshoots with only other actors in response to the controversy.
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They did show the maneuvers they got him killed. It’s was the catching up to and then matching the spin of Naomi’s ship. He comments afterward that it was one hell of a ride. A stroke isn’t a thing that instantly kills you though, at least not the immediate precursor. What likely happens is the high g’s cause blood to pool, if it was fancy maneuvers possibly something like the legs depending on your spins and directions. Clot forms and sits there. For the moment and immediately after you seem perfectly fine. Then the clot gets bumped loose some time later and finds it’s way thru the bloodstream to the brain. You’re not fine anymore, and depending on where that ends up you might just be done. Incidentally this is something that can happen to people who just sit for too long and it’s why they tell you to get up and stretch and walk around periodically.
I could go into a long reply with how I disagree and why but ultimately the crux of the issue for me is that they killed a main character off screen with his final words being at best repurposed cut or reused dialog. I don't personally consider that a fitting end for a character I liked.
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It wasn't without it's faults, but I loved this season just as much as the rest of them. So, as someone who has not read the books (yet) am I correct in assuming that:
Spoiler:
The last scenes are of some sort of ancient warship being re-awakened by the ex-Martians?
"By this point I'm convinced 100% that every single race in the 40k universe have somehow tapped into the ork ability to just have their tech work because they think it should."
After the ring system gates were activated, in S3, a whole lot of probes were sent through the gates, to see what was out there.
Most of them had ruins or remains of protomolecule tech. The world they named "Laconia" had handful of artifacts in ORBIT (the "stick moons") as well as an orbital shipyard and planetary remains. A partly finished warship was in the shipyard. It just needs protomolecule to activate it, and it has to be activated "properly" (or it goes Ilus). Which is why Babbage was grilling Alex on it - how Ilus was activated. In the books, this ship becomes one of their "Proteus" class ships.
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Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.
That is not dead which can eternal lie ...
... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Man, it sucks the the season ends with a Victory by Marco Inaros.
I really hope he has an appropriate ending
I actually quite liked that - made it more interesting.
I think its a shame that the actual war was underplayed for several hours of Naomi - after all earth did kill at least one entire space station full of people in retilation for the stealth rocks that killed millions.
Shades of grey is pretty much a calling card for the show with pretty much everyone but Holden having alot of blood on their hands.
Amos - well he's Amos so yeah Noami has the ship she blew up
Peaches has the ship she blew up and everyone she killed on that path - ironically now she has turned over a new leaf if they had killed the four thug guys when she asked them not to - lot less people would have died.
Even my fav Chrissie has done plenty of stuff - IIRc the first scene with her is her torturing a belter.
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"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Well have to say really enjoyed the season. I know it's very much personal but this is by far the best sci-fi series on TV for me at the moment, and really helped to highlight how weak Discovery has been (and I tried so hard to like that series) - really this just blows it away in every measure.
Highlights for me were the focus on Inaros and all of the back and forth between the different belters, specifically Drummer (who is just an awesome character) and her fighting her own desire for revenge and what is right against the continued survival of her group. Thought that was handled really well, and also the who split within the Belters (Fred Johnson being killed was a real shock). Also Naomi going back to her old team, again thought the emotional baggage of that was well done and especially with her old friends and her son, and it will be interesting to see how that will develop next season.
I was really shocked to hear that next season will be the final one especially as there are a few more books - can we assume that there will be some kind of truncated version of the books? I have only just caught up with season 4 with the books so don't know what turn they will take.
warboss wrote: I could go into a long reply with how I disagree and why but ultimately the crux of the issue for me is that they killed a main character off screen with his final words being at best repurposed cut or reused dialog. I don't personally consider that a fitting end for a character I liked.
Ah this really shows how subjective this stuff is. I liked how they did it. Wasn't drawn out, overblown, he was doing something that was a risk and then died. It was very sudden, similar to the medic guy (I forget his name) that died in the first season. I'm glad no pained expression and lying in someone's arms, see way to much of that in Hollywood, and they didn't overdo the sentimentality afterwards either.
I will miss the character being in it however, he had some good lines, had some depth to him and was a good companion to some of the other characters.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Man, it sucks the the season ends with a Victory by Marco Inaros.
I really hope he has an appropriate ending
I actually quite liked that - made it more interesting.
I think its a shame that the actual war was underplayed for several hours of Naomi - after all earth did kill at least one entire space station full of people in retilation for the stealth rocks that killed millions.
Shades of grey is pretty much a calling card for the show with pretty much everyone but Holden having alot of blood on their hands.
Amos - well he's Amos so yeah Noami has the ship she blew up
Peaches has the ship she blew up and everyone she killed on that path - ironically now she has turned over a new leaf if they had killed the four thug guys when she asked them not to - lot less people would have died.
Even my fav Chrissie has done plenty of stuff - IIRc the first scene with her is her torturing a belter.
I think the biggest thing is that, unlike atleast Naomi and Christian, everything MArcos does is to feed his own ego. Nothing is done for any other reason than to feel his selfish desires to be the next head of the belt
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hotsauceman1 wrote: I mean, he got Tasha Yar'ed
A meangingless death that served no purpose in the story and was only to get out an actory that might have done something.
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hotsauceman1 wrote: Man, it sucks the the season ends with a Victory by Marco Inaros.
I really hope he has an appropriate ending
I actually quite liked that - made it more interesting.
I think its a shame that the actual war was underplayed for several hours of Naomi - after all earth did kill at least one entire space station full of people in retilation for the stealth rocks that killed millions.
Shades of grey is pretty much a calling card for the show with pretty much everyone but Holden having alot of blood on their hands.
Amos - well he's Amos so yeah Noami has the ship she blew up
Peaches has the ship she blew up and everyone she killed on that path - ironically now she has turned over a new leaf if they had killed the four thug guys when she asked them not to - lot less people would have died.
Even my fav Chrissie has done plenty of stuff - IIRc the first scene with her is her torturing a belter.
I think the biggest thing is that, unlike atleast Naomi and Christian, everything MArcos does is to feed his own ego. Nothing is done for any other reason than to feel his selfish desires to be the next head of the belt
Not sure - he is a fanatic and like many fanatics I think actually does believe he is doing this for the good of others - its part of the insanity of being a fanatic.
I did think it was kind interesting that Naomi did not seem to even consider blowing herself up to save her "family" coming to her.
Christian is the other side of the coin and I am pretty sure that if she felt it was the "right" thing to do she would have absolutely sent rocks at Earth, Mars whatever. She objects to Destroying the Belters stations because its not going to achieve the stated aims.
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"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
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