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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
I don't play DG (the one army I don't collect), but I totally feel the pain. My IG army had commissars with storm bolters, Ogryn with 2 close combat weapons, and Griffon mortars.

And I will always fight for IG as well. Even on Kan's behalf I have complained about Infantry officers not having the option for a Lasgun. It's ridiculous.

Especially when a box of 10 infantry comes with 10 lasguns. It's a freaking option in the box, but not legal???

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 AngryAngel80 wrote:
Well perhaps its because people are tired of that same old behavior ? At some point even the most relaxed soul decides to speak out. That is all that is and was going on. If people want to discuss other things, and they have no one has stopped them, that is great. At this point though this whole thread has probably run its course. We've heard most of the rumors and news so little is still rumor and more just lamentable or cherished fact now.

Happy the codex is stronger, not happy for this change in set ups and will hope it dies with this book and doesn't blight other armies past this one.

Then email them saying you won't buy the codex until they fix that atrocity.

I did and called customer service for a verbal complain on it. Like I said, I don't like this, people shouldn't need to be worried each time they make a unit that it will be legal and then have it invalidated the next book. It gives 0 incentive to paint your models or even make the army your army if they will change their minds over and over. I have been looking into things lost in space wolves and don't like that either and don't see how many of these changes are ever good outside forcing all units to be the same, all the time which is the height of boredom.

I mean if its a new unit that has 0 real options, that is fine but taking things that have been around for decades and just scrapping them, it sucks for anyone and everyone. One of the things, I always loved about 40k was the options even if the balance on some of them left a bit to be desired. If it just becomes " This unit has all of this or that. " That that just feels really boring to me. The choices should have meaning based on what they do, not strip them away so there is no choice and then say " Now it's balanced. ". That just feels real lazy on their part.

This stuff is pretty much why I went and found a different ruleset for my 40K play. Fond memories of converting a Dark Angels techmarine on a special bike-with-force-field-generator just in time for a new edition to drop and the build to be removed entirely.

Some various levels of marines have had that happen over and over. Some set ups for Space wolves, Dark Angels, Deathwatch. I got to thinking on it last night and I actually got pretty upset, if I can be honest with you all. Made me question just stopping altogether.

This current situation being just that last straw. Like I went and spent the time for Space wolves to craft a fun, if not awesome wolf scout squad, a couple of them, only to have to alter their set ups, twice now and now it's wrong again. Spend the time to find and get the old generic wolf priest model, just for them to become chaplains and lose their flavor , making him basically a glorified chaplain, no more rune priests they are just libbys now.

Dark Angels had fun techmarines, all the set ups now are done. All the bike characters of old smashed. Don't get me started on the banners that bounced from good to not there to awesome to crap.

Deathwatch saw whole kill teams invalidated for me and the backbone of my force, my old killteams made pretty bleh because the gun I liked most, the frag cannon went from fun and strong used right, to toned down but workable to a glorified blast then solid shot close range auto cannon thing.

Now do any of these changes make the army suck ? Not unless you actually liked these things, which I did. The books can still be strong but it doesn't mean lack of options aren't a real problem that makes you like your force less in the end.

Now DG lose my made squad set ups for no real reason other than " change is good ! " Just to then make me wonder " If I followed this change what is to say in two years they won't change it again ? Or even sooner ? ". I have no faith a legal build today will even stay such in a week to a year let alone more or whole units won't just be legend killed at this point or not even remembered and tossed away like so many Ork or Dark Eldar units.

So it's not just this one thing, its all the things one after the other after a certain time and enough books it just should stop happening. I don't think these changes are being made in good faith and they feel more like change just to make you buy new stuff and then be changed again for seemingly no real reason outside fickle fancy.

You can love the models if you want and even the back story, but their rules really suffer from a case of being all over. The only army that usually doesn't suffer is my guard and that is mostly because units don't get anything outside the norm of the kits. Even with that each new drop comes with dread they will suddenly just decide units shouldn't be used or set ups can't be there for reasons. It just really sucks and DG kind of show case that and DE may show us even more but i hope they don't.


Edit: On topic of my guard, I'm still afraid to build my Bullgryns because they originally came out with slab shield and that grenade gauntlet. Now, you can take the club with the shield but I am still very afraid I'll build them, paint them and as soon as i enjoy them they'll be changed for no reason other than " We changed our mind. " I don't think a player should have to feel that from their game system, that is a clear sign to me at least how messed up they are in this regard.

Yes, yes. Can we now move this discussion to the thread dedicated to this? After 25 pages of discussing the same thing, this hardly qualifies as news anymore.

You can find it here:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/795404.page

Anyone have a link to the DG codex pages until my codex arrives (hopefully no delay)?

Seems eu players might have some potential delays. At　least local flgs has not got dg products yet in normal time frame due　to custom delays. Obviously not constant deiay factor so some stores might get delays, others won't.

Yeah, I've received a warning from my shop as well. Apparently Britain <> EU customs are a battlefield right now, just as expected.

Yeah the British government promised a year ago that we'd have 50,000 customs officers recruited in time for Brexit this month. We have 12,000 so far. Things are gonna be a mess for years, at a guess.

 Jidmah wrote:
Yeah, I've received a warning from my shop as well. Apparently Britain <> EU customs are a battlefield right now, just as expected.

25% lorries moving between the 2 compared to reqular　non-peak day last year so transport capacity by roads　also greatly reduced(not sure how gw stuff is transported)

What surprised me was in other threads there were mentions of european warehouse. If these were coming from there custom would have been to there. Not when coming to flgs.

No such warhehouse/it serves only some countries/doesn't do new releases?

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
Yeah the British government promised a year ago that we'd have 50,000 customs officers recruited in time for Brexit this month. We have 12,000 so far. Things are gonna be a mess for years, at a guess.

TBF, the world looked pretty different a year ago.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
Yeah the British government promised a year ago that we'd have 50,000 customs officers recruited in time for Brexit this month. We have 12,000 so far. Things are gonna be a mess for years, at a guess.

TBF, the world looked pretty different a year ago.

True but this is a self-inflicted wound by some absolute weapons. I see you are American so should understand how it is to have an incompetent leader

 Jidmah wrote:
Yeah, I've received a warning from my shop as well. Apparently Britain <> EU customs are a battlefield right now, just as expected.

Yeah, it's been like that for some weeks now. With my last order my FLGS guy directly told me "don't expect it to be on time, customs are all messed up".

Luckily hobby stuff is never really urgent.

So with the mess around the Plague Marine kits/loadouts, should my wife and I be particularly careful in how we assemble stuff?

We've got three unbuilt PM boxes, and two sets of the ones from Dark Imperium also unbuilt, and also the six Space Marine Heroes 3 DG. Obviously we'd prefer to not end up with invalid units, but with the "heroes" and Dark Imperium models having no options, is it possible to use them all?

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
So with the mess around the Plague Marine kits/loadouts, should my wife and I be particularly careful in how we assemble stuff?

We've got three unbuilt PM boxes, and two sets of the ones from Dark Imperium also unbuilt, and also the six Space Marine Heroes 3 DG. Obviously we'd prefer to not end up with invalid units, but with the "heroes" and Dark Imperium models having no options, is it possible to use them all?

You should be okay now. It's feeling like this was setup like the Kharadron Overlords and their Grundstok Thunderers.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
So with the mess around the Plague Marine kits/loadouts, should my wife and I be particularly careful in how we assemble stuff?

We've got three unbuilt PM boxes, and two sets of the ones from Dark Imperium also unbuilt, and also the six Space Marine Heroes 3 DG. Obviously we'd prefer to not end up with invalid units, but with the "heroes" and Dark Imperium models having no options, is it possible to use them all?

You'll be fine, plenty of ways to make those sets work out in combination, & each set (Multipart + DI + SM Heroes) is a legal loadout in its own right. Worth noting is that the Icon Bearer in the SM Heroes set is technically illegal (but it was illegal in 8th as well) because it has a bolt pistol instead of a boltgun, but that shouldn't be an issue in games.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
So with the mess around the Plague Marine kits/loadouts, should my wife and I be particularly careful in how we assemble stuff?

We've got three unbuilt PM boxes, and two sets of the ones from Dark Imperium also unbuilt, and also the six Space Marine Heroes 3 DG. Obviously we'd prefer to not end up with invalid units, but with the "heroes" and Dark Imperium models having no options, is it possible to use them all?

I'd wait a month and see if our emails make GW not be stupid and create an errata for what they decided to do.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
So with the mess around the Plague Marine kits/loadouts, should my wife and I be particularly careful in how we assemble stuff?

We've got three unbuilt PM boxes, and two sets of the ones from Dark Imperium also unbuilt, and also the six Space Marine Heroes 3 DG. Obviously we'd prefer to not end up with invalid units, but with the "heroes" and Dark Imperium models having no options, is it possible to use them all?

As long as you build with the restrictions set by the codex, you'll be fine. You can even do customizations as you like within the confines of those rules. Case in point, I wanted both a plague spewer and a great plague cleaver (both are supposed to use PM body #6), but I used PM body #1 instead for the cleaver. It took minimal conversion and it is legal to have both in a unit within the new restrictions. I expect you'd be able to use some Dark Imperium PM bodies for conversions like that with minimal work as well.

Are We There, yet?

Umbros wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
Yeah the British government promised a year ago that we'd have 50,000 customs officers recruited in time for Brexit this month. We have 12,000 so far. Things are gonna be a mess for years, at a guess.

TBF, the world looked pretty different a year ago.

True but this is a self-inflicted wound by some absolute weapons. I see you are American so should understand how it is to have an incompetent leader

No disagreement


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 Kanluwen wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
So with the mess around the Plague Marine kits/loadouts, should my wife and I be particularly careful in how we assemble stuff?

We've got three unbuilt PM boxes, and two sets of the ones from Dark Imperium also unbuilt, and also the six Space Marine Heroes 3 DG. Obviously we'd prefer to not end up with invalid units, but with the "heroes" and Dark Imperium models having no options, is it possible to use them all?

You should be okay now. It's feeling like this was setup like the Kharadron Overlords and their Grundstok Thunderers.

Two significant differences there though; it was only a few months after the army book dropped and there were serious mechanical/balance problems that needed to be fixed. I'd say there was also a general subtext where people building multiples of a certain weapon knew they were being exploitative and knew the tactic's days were numbered. It isn't like PM where tons of casual players were building their models in the same manner they have been for decades, with no hint that what they were doing was not going to be supported in the future.

Hmm youngling let me tell you a story of kit bashing that goes back 28 years and finished a touch over 4 weeks ago.

28 years ago
Playing Rogue Trader was both a joy and a task Chaos being my first army I railed at T3 Chaos Marine. 2nd ed came out and we got that beautiful codex. I had 5 metal terminators and wondered at the possibilities of trading in my combi-bolters for melta guns. I mean how could I possibly convert metal models?

15 years ago
Wow plastic chaos terminators. But I mean do I need more than 5? So I mail-ordered the spikey bits and arms, I know I'll kit bash my old ones metal ones and they'll be tip top. I'll just do this Ork Waargh I'm right into. I'll just take off all these multimeltas off my 2nd ed orks.

9 years ago
Hmm, I really really should do that chaos terminator conversion project I have there. I know, I'll just finish off this 2nd company of Blood Angles I started. Ooooh I can re-do all my sargeants with 2 melta pistols, that's pretty cool.

6 years ago.
Cool, got me 5 melta guns, with those spikey bits and extra arms I reckon I could do a really nice job of converting those metal chaos terminators I have right there on the shelf. But first I'll just finish off this Space Wolf Great Company.

3 years ago
Wow I really like this new Death Guard codex, perhaps with those metal terminators, those spikey bits, them there melta guns I could make a really nice unit of Blightlord Terminators. But the guys are coming over tonight for a game of Forbidden Stars, maybe next week.

4 weeks ago
Excellent a 9th ed codex for Death Guard. Hmm those metal chaos termintors are looking a little small these day. Wait I have some left over Space Wolf terminator bodies from that Great Company project, come Skaven heads left over from that Mordhiem project, some Ork Nobz axe arms left over from that Waargh project, those spikey bits, extra arms and some cool new bases.

I'll kit bash a unit of Death Guard Blightlord Terminators who were once from the 13th Great Company who got lost in the Eye of Terror at the end of the Horus Heresy. They'll be GREAT!!!

Gluing commenced and great rejoicing was had.

1 week ago
Wait what I cant use them anymore?

And...this is what I am talking about. No player should have to feel like this. Granted, it took awhile to make them but making dubious decisions on model load outs for a tactic that has been in the game since..well a very long time..is beyond stupid.

Lets not act like its for balance, because it isn't. It's just a dumb move to crap on set ups that have been in lists, in some cases for decades. Termicide being a very old tactic for both chaos and some flavors or loyalist terminators.

If it was some super strange set up, I'd have been cautious of saying it may leave. Like when you could put a melta gun on a power first for death watch, I assumed that wouldn't last more than a codex. Combi weapons have been a tool of terminators since forever, and taken with the same kinds in great number to boot. As well taking two special weapons of the same kind in plague squads at less than 10 has been accepted as not cheesy or even out of step for them for a long time.

Dumb decisions and I hope they see the light quickly on this.

 Darnok wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Yeah, I've received a warning from my shop as well. Apparently Britain <> EU customs are a battlefield right now, just as expected.

Yeah, it's been like that for some weeks now. With my last order my FLGS guy directly told me "don't expect it to be on time, customs are all messed up".

Luckily hobby stuff is never really urgent.

I'm in Northern Ireland so I'm in unique position of all my ordering is UK, but lots of UK places no longer deliver here now. Waheeey!
I found the other day that I can't order Bushmills through amazon any more even though it is made here hahah.

Thankfully it seems that all the model sites seem to have no issues though.

Still waiting for my DG and cards codex to arrive as delivery now takes longer too, but as you say it's not urgent.
I really hope PMs are back in stock in places soon as I want to do my possessed kit bashing and need the PMs to do it.

Got my book, and was fortunate enough to get a box of PMs from the same source either last week or the week before.

Unrelated point - does anyone have a bookmark with a list of what the DG side of Conquest contained?

 Dysartes wrote:
Got my book, and was fortunate enough to get a box of PMs from the same source either last week or the week before.

Unrelated point - does anyone have a bookmark with a list of what the DG side of Conquest contained?

not split out, but you can find he info here https://www.miniaturesofdeath.com/complete-list-of-warhammer-conquest-issues/

That's great - thanks Orlando.

I know I've got some duplicate issues anyway, but just getting the broad strokes down helps.

We didn’t get our GW order this week, so no new DG stuff. Sounds like the other flgs didn’t get theirs either, but the Warhammer store in the mall had books and already sold out. Have had to turn away several displeased patrons already today.

 Dysartes wrote:
Unrelated point - does anyone have a bookmark with a list of what the DG side of Conquest contained?

Does this list help?

 AduroT wrote:
We didn’t get our GW order this week, so no new DG stuff. Sounds like the other flgs didn’t get theirs either, but the Warhammer store in the mall had books and already sold out. Have had to turn away several displeased patrons already today.

Yep. No one in my area got any new stuff at all--that's 4 stores including one GW store.

I'm gonna start a youtube channel as it seems that's the only way to get anything anymore.

 Darnok wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Unrelated point - does anyone have a bookmark with a list of what the DG side of Conquest contained?

Does this list help?

Unfortunately not, for a couple of reasons:

A, Fauxhammer is a travesty of a website, more interested in serving up advertising than content.
B, In this case, more specifically, it's relying on a leak of the line-up, which ended up being inaccurate as some contents were shuffled around or out at various times. The link provided by Orlando seems to have been updated with the contents of each issue as it was released.

Thank you for having a look, though.