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I imagine he’s still quite dead and that look we had at his animated corpse is what he really is right now and it’s all a forced make believe on her part. She doesn’t want him to be dead so she’s made a place where he isn't, which is why they can’t go somewhere else.
Wanda is the villain of this show. She's basically reanimating Vision's corpse, she's trapped everyone in the town* and is basically using her powers to convince herself that everything is right with the world.
When something goes against what she wants, she alters reality to 'cut' it out. When she loses concentration, she sees the cracks of reality (Vision's dead eyes and blasted forehead).
How do they stop her? Can they stop her?
Other amazing bits from this episode:
The reverse snap from the point of view of Monica Rambeau (who, whenever they call her by name, I just think "Rambo" ), and in the craziness of a hospital. Remember the "unsnappening" was played for laughs in Far From Home. Not so here. It was harrowing.
The return of Jimmy Wu (laughed out loud when he did the card trick with the ID - Scott Lang really rubbed off on him! ) and of course, if Tony Stark is the MCU's king of snark, then Darcy would be its queen. So happy she's back, and that she actually made something of herself by changing her major and getting a frickin' doctorate in astrophysics!!!
*Agnes remains a complete wild card. Note that the board of identities had them find out who each person was, with their NJ IDs... except Agnes!
Anyway, amazing. I want more.
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And yeah, the un-snapping was really freaky in this one. I think the most horrifying bit as seeing Monica witness her own body parts undusting. What would that feel like?
Like Spidey said, he was dusty, then not. No perception for time having passed at all.
As for Agnes? I’m wondering if it’s some kinda Hydra mind-control failsafe type thing.
Very welcome return of Darcy. A solid use of existing in-universe characters to keep it all keyed together.
As for talking Wanda down? Well, that can’t do a Total Recall, beyond Hawkeye, as Wanda has never been shown as particularly close to anyone barring Vision and Quicksilver. So I’m not seeing an appeal to her heart to try and help her grieve. And now she has the twins, if she leaves, she’s losing even more.
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I think they're going to have to appeal to 'Vision' - I'm imagining something along the lines of:
"I'm not real, none of this is real, Wanda... I'm just a memory of a man you love and... I can't be that, not really, if you let those innocent people remain trapped here. You know that is not who I am, that is not who you are..."
As for Agnes, I personally I have NO IDEA whats going on with her. Some theories I've seen around the internet are suggesting she could be Mephisto. - A peer of Dormanu from the Doctor Strange movie.
Basically Marvel's devil.
That... I seem unconvinced of that. I think like Grotsnik says, Agnes is going to be *some* part of a manifestation of her subconscious in some way. Whether it's Hydra or on the other end of the scale a better part of her that rejects the fantasy... Something.
Overall, I'd definitely say, if you like this, but want something MORE mindscrewy with more horror elements, check out Legion.
Or a similar mindscrewishness, but with more comedy, Doom Patrol.
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Something I want to do is go back and binge the first four episodes.
Why?
Spoiler:
Well, when S.W.O.R.D are piecing it together, I feel we’re being lead by the nose at bit too much.
We’re given specific questions by Darcy, such as ‘why sitcoms’, which we ourselves have collectively raised.
And I’ve a feeling this is a prime opportunity for the writers to hide hints, and even deliberately wrong foot us.
Reckon I’d start by rewatching episode 4, and making my notes based on S.W.O.R.D.S. observations, then go back to 1, 2 and 3, seeing if there’s anything they didn’t flag up.
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Zed wrote: *All statements reflect my opinion at this moment. if some sort of pretty new model gets released (or if I change my mind at random) I reserve the right to jump on any bandwagon at will.
There were DEFINITELY things that we the audience saw that SWORD did not. SWORD were watching a relatively coherent narrative with broadcast interruptions. During those interruptions, we as the audience, saw what was 'really' happening. Most typically Wanda rewinding time when her fantasy was disturbed, by, for example, Vision questioning things, or the Beekeeper. Or 'Geraldine' confronting Wanda.
More theories from the internet
Spoiler:
Agnes' husband Ralph (who is never seen), is Mephisto, who is the villain of Dr Strange 2. And is wanting something out of Wanda's children - I'm assuming this is all very DC/Titans 'Trigon/Raven' kinda stuff....
Personally, which this seems more likely, I'm still somewhat unconvinced... Assuming I'm not getting names confused, Agnes seems to be more actively working against Wanda, rather than encouraging/indulging her fantasy or egging her on.
Could Agnes perhaps be the person the FBI put into Witness Protection in the first place?
I think the 'calculations' that Vision does are kind of simple...
1) They're a commentary / joke on peoples unspecified jobs in many early sitcoms.
2) They're an illustration of the 'artificialness' and 'wrongness' of the world, that delving into Episode 4 spoilers...
Spoiler:
The calculations are meaningless, because quite simply, Wanda doesn't ascribe meaning to them in her Fantasy World. They don't do anything, they don't mean anything, because Wanda doesn't care about them meaning or anything. They're just a facsimile to give the impression of a normal life.
Like on a painting where you have background characters and things that are not rendered in as much detail. - Squiggles on a signpost, that sort of thing.
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I still reckon Wanda is using ‘resonant frequency’ to put his Stone back together.
After all, she can manipulate reality, yes? And her power is entirely derived from the Mind Stone.
We also witnessed Wanda use her powers to shatter it, before Thanos used the Time Stone to cancel out her efforts, yes?
The bits and bobs remains of those stones will still exist in some fashion. Basic laws of the universe that.
What if “Visions” calculations represent that? Wanda’s efforts to figure out how?
Also interesting to me, in a tangent? When Monica was booted from Wandaworld, Wanda genuinely seemed surprised she had powers when she looked at her hands? Despite us seeing her use them in episode 2?
Man I love this show! And indeed discussing it with my fellow Dakkanauts.
In particular, big props to those who haven’t found the show interesting or engaging for leaving those of us who do to get on with the froth It is genuinely appreciated.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oooh....eeewwwww. Seriously unpleasant thought.
Spoiler:
Given Vision and Wanda are both powered by the Mind Stone? What if her obsession isn’t Vision, and she never loved Vision, but the Stone itself? Akin to Gollum?
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Zed wrote: *All statements reflect my opinion at this moment. if some sort of pretty new model gets released (or if I change my mind at random) I reserve the right to jump on any bandwagon at will.
Been a bit since I saw the first two Thors. Was Darcy not competent in those? Or was she just over shadowed by a pair of geniuses, and possibly her own quirkiness?
Well she wasn’t even a physicist to start with (I think the first film said she was a political science major?). I mean she wasn’t exactly incompetent (and she certainly knew her way round a taser!) but also not exactly the world-saving problem solver either.
Zed wrote: *All statements reflect my opinion at this moment. if some sort of pretty new model gets released (or if I change my mind at random) I reserve the right to jump on any bandwagon at will.
2 things that I've not seen raised anywhere that seem like they might be important.
When Wu is talking to Wanda over the radio, he asks her something along the lines of "who's doing this to you?' At this precise second on the broadcast, it cuts to the advert for the Hydra Watch.
Secondly, the episode plays out to Voodoo Child. Possibly a reference to someone being controlled against their will, but there's several ways now that could fit.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
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AduroT wrote: Been a bit since I saw the first two Thors. Was Darcy not competent in those? Or was she just over shadowed by a pair of geniuses, and possibly her own quirkiness?
She was competent. Functionally, she was the baby sitter for two non-functional idiot-savants.
But being the Whedon-style Snark Girl and a not-yet-graduated political science intern for an astrophysicist obscured that.
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Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
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- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
That's my guess too. If the person was Wanda, it would have been a SHIELD or SWORD matter originally, not FBI.
Plus they seemed relatively surprised to see her on the monitor.
Assuming there actually IS a Missing Person in Witness Protection, and it wasn't just a cover for the whole Missing Town, I think signs are pointing towards Agnes being the person in Witness Protection.
I don't think we've seen the beekeeper turn up in the town yet.
I don't think we've seen the beekeeper turn up in the town yet.
Spoiler:
He popped out of the sewer at the end of ep.2 but Wanda rewound time and he didn't appear again.
Were the Avengers identities publicly known (apart from Cap & Stark)?
Spoiler:
Would Woo & Darcy have recognised Wanda & Vision? I know they've both been involved with Avengers / SHIELD before, but neither of them seem particularly high-level...
People know Black Widow from Captain America 2 and her testifying before Congress.
I would have thought Wanda would be world (in)famous, as it was her that kicked off the whole Sokovian Accords situation in Civil War when she was filmed basically blowing up a building. (Well, as people would see it).
I kinda feel like I need to rewatch Episode 4 to understand peoples reactions now...
They've all been caught on camera doing super things in public spaces, and no one at all tries to hide their identity, except maybe Black Panther (and that mask came off a -lot- in his film).
Maybe Black Widow, but that's more the spy thing and her background as a child soldier/assassin experiment. Her public identity is essentially fake and meaningless.
The whole super hero secret identity thing is largely discarded in the MCU. Wanda's certainly doesn't matter as she's an orphan with no remaining ties.
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Voss wrote: The whole super hero secret identity thing is largely discarded in the MCU.
This is what I'm not sure about - Wanda & Vision were hiding in Scotland at the start of Infinity War, but that doesn't necessary mean their identities were secret.
I got mine in just under 4. However European doctorates seem to be a fundamentally different system than american ones.
And then there is the Brian May method. Stop your PhD to push through being a world famous guitarist, then discover 25 years later it hasn't been finished off by anyone else and finish it off anyway
Please excuse any spelling errors. I use a tablet frequently and software keyboards are a pain!
Voss wrote: The whole super hero secret identity thing is largely discarded in the MCU.
This is what I'm not sure about - Wanda & Vision were hiding in Scotland at the start of Infinity War, but that doesn't necessary mean their identities were secret.
Yeah, I think that was just 'away from the team' for 'us time' and he can put on a different face, and she can wear a hat or just jolt someone's brain if they do recognize her.
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I mean, why bring it up if it wont be important. Chekovs gun and all that.
I mean we need to find a reason why she ended up in westview from avengers. Especially so soon(Seems like only a few weeks?)
), and in the craziness of a hospital. Remember the "unsnappening" was played for laughs in Far From Home. Not so here. It was harrowing.
It is genuinely appreciated.
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