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I think Wanda can bounce back from this. In fact, it would be realy interesting to see if she is the key to bouncing back from Secret Wars.
She basically controls reality right? Well, when the Council of Kangs/Kang Dynasty tears apart universe after universe and the chunks remaining are pieced together into some kind of battle world for Secret Wars. Well.. the end of that has to be someone, somehow putting it all back.
Wanda is kind of one of the only people who could actually do such a thing.
In the comics disassembled/House of M and the subsequent Mutant Extinction event was her big cross to bear. She recently made up for all of it by creating a space across time where all mutant souls rest so that even mutants who died before cerebro recorded them can be bought back with the resurrection protocols. She went from the cursed pretender to the revered redeemer.
Putting the universe back together post secret wars could be her redeemer arc.
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I expect Wanda to fulfill the roll of Molecule Man in Secret Wars and ultimately fulfill the prophecy of the Scarlet Witch by both initially ruling over and ultimately destroying Battleworld.
An interesting little tid bit in MoM, the mural of her in wundagore does not have both her kids on each side of her. It has mirrors of Billy/Wiccan who is (in the comics) the Demiurge and a very powerful "could be destined to destroy all of reality" character. I got the impression that they were planting a seed that Wandas prophecy was less about her and more about Billy.
Krull style.
"A girl of ancient name shall chose a king. They shall rule the world, and their child will rule the galaxy!"
We watch a story about how the girl of ancient name and the dude she picks are all so important. But the REALLY big gak comes from their kid.
Wanda's important. But mostly shes important because she births the Demiurge.
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Of course she was. She's one of the good guys in every movie she's been in (not at the start of Age of Ultron, but certainly by the end), and she's definitely the antagonist of MoM. I actually agree with the rest of your post, just not this opening sentence. Discussing all the things that make Wanda interesting doesn't change the fact that they very much wrote her into heroine turned villain in her last appearance.
I’m not sure she ever was, at her core, a Hero, except when she was with Vision.
Wanda is almost a Michael Jackson type affair in terms of tragedy. My reasoning here is that neither of them really had a childhood. But, through wealth or super powers, neither of them really had to learn the lessons that make us adults. Add in both were enabled by those they should’ve been able to trust? Not actually a villain. A threat? Absolutely. But so unique in their human experience it’s hard to say any of it was malicious.
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Wanda is one of my fav things in the MCU. Hell, my favourite scene in Endgame is where she shows up at the end to wreck Thanos and he only escapes because he cheats. But Marvel has a huge problem with letting dead people stay dead, and Wanda needs to stay dead.
Easy E wrote:Yeah, but I think the real question is, how does this fit with Sony's plans and where do we slot in more Morbius! When is it Morbin' time? /S
Easy E wrote:Yeah, but I think the real question is, how does this fit with Sony's plans and where do we slot in more Morbius! When is it Morbin' time? /S
Lance845 wrote:Trick question, its never not Morbin time.
H.B.M.C. wrote:Now I want someone to shop the Phase 6 picture so that all the blanks are just more sequels to Morbius.
Grimskul wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote: Now I want someone to shop the Phase 6 picture so that all the blanks are just more sequels to Morbius.
Now that's a Phase I can get behind!
Morbiverse of Morbin, here we come!
H.B.M.C. wrote:No! Wait! Phase 6 is too early for all that.
Phases 7, 8 and 9 will collectively be known as The Morbius Saga, will culminate in another Avengers double-header:
LunarSol wrote:The Morbtastic Mourb post credit stinger is going to get people so hyped for Secret Morbs!
Now see what you guys have done!...
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So there’s been like three movies and a couple series since Eternals came out… Why has there been no mention of the giant dude sticking out of the planet yet?
AduroT wrote: So there’s been like three movies and a couple series since Eternals came out… Why has there been no mention of the giant dude sticking out of the planet yet?
My theory is that that is the only story we've seen so-far featuring the Earth of that particular bit of the multi-verse.
Not every story has to be set in the 616....
Or that'll be the explanation Disney eventually gives as to why they're just not referencing a movie that met with general indifference.
Easy E wrote: I can't wait for Morbius and Wong..... two great characters that go great together!
Finally, their intense sexual tension will be resolved!
It's Worbin' time!
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Orkeosaurus wrote:Star Trek also said we'd have X-Wings by now. We all see how that prediction turned out.
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AduroT wrote: So there’s been like three movies and a couple series since Eternals came out… Why has there been no mention of the giant dude sticking out of the planet yet?
Well, so far the only things that take place after Eternals are (in order), MoM, Hawkeye, Moonknight, Ms Marvel. (This is according to D+ Time Line list).
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AduroT wrote: So there’s been like three movies and a couple series since Eternals came out… Why has there been no mention of the giant dude sticking out of the planet yet?
My theory is that that is the only story we've seen so-far featuring the Earth of that particular bit of the multi-verse.
Not every story has to be set in the 616....
Or that'll be the explanation Disney eventually gives as to why they're just not referencing a movie that met with general indifference.
Except it explicitly is. The Eternals sit around talk about 'current events' to drive home the point that they've been present on the world the whole time.
I suspect it will just be ignored with no explanation, though it may get mentioned among general ocean shenanigans in Wakanda Forever.
Trouble is, they've established mining out a Celestial as a huge deal with Knowhere in GotG. So... yeah.
If they want to do something with it, it could end up being the source of some magic amor/tech/mutation, or an objective in some sort of multiversal war or whatever...
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Well, they minded out the "biological" decapitated head of a celestial for Knowwhere. This is something else entirely. This is a celestial shaped chunk of marble or whatever.
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These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
AduroT wrote: So there’s been like three movies and a couple series since Eternals came out… Why has there been no mention of the giant dude sticking out of the planet yet?
My theory is that that is the only story we've seen so-far featuring the Earth of that particular bit of the multi-verse.
Not every story has to be set in the 616....
Or that'll be the explanation Disney eventually gives as to why they're just not referencing a movie that met with general indifference.
Except it explicitly is. The Eternals sit around talk about 'current events' to drive home the point that they've been present on the world the whole time.
And....? Is there any reason that their current events couldn't be a mirror of what's been going on in the 616 we've all been watching to date? With the added wrinkle that the Eternals have just been chilling in the background all this time.
AduroT wrote: So there’s been like three movies and a couple series since Eternals came out… Why has there been no mention of the giant dude sticking out of the planet yet?
My theory is that that is the only story we've seen so-far featuring the Earth of that particular bit of the multi-verse.
Not every story has to be set in the 616....
Or that'll be the explanation Disney eventually gives as to why they're just not referencing a movie that met with general indifference.
Except it explicitly is. The Eternals sit around talk about 'current events' to drive home the point that they've been present on the world the whole time.
And....? Is there any reason that their current events couldn't be a mirror of what's been going on in the 616 we've all been watching to date? With the added wrinkle that the Eternals have just been chilling in the background all this time.
This is why I absolutely hate multiverse and time travel crap. Why would you want even fewer stakes than what's currently on the table?
A 'it didn't happen here' declaration would be pointless, piss people off and undermine any trust that anything they watch in the future matters in any way to any narrative that can be found in between the CGI.
You could make that argument for any movie or show, at this point. Who says Hawkeye now has an apprentice in the main universe? Who says Ms Marvel is running around? Who says Thor learned something today in Thor Four? Why would you want any of those questions? What possible benefit do they have?
The entirely more modern Avengers:(insert subtitle here) shows are worth a watch afterwards, very much evocative of those old X Men and Spidey shows, but didn't get the exposure in the UK because they're from the era of dedicated kids TV channels and so were buried deep in the bottom of the program guide.
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bbb wrote: It was criminal that they canceled that show for the other Avengers show. The episodes on D+ didn't start in the right order if I remember correctly.
Lance845 wrote: Avengers Earths Mightiest Heroes is a great show that covers a lot of really great storylines and has the best theme song.
Seriously. It covered so many different story arcs incredibly well. We got Ultron becoming an Avengers level threat with proper build up, Ant Man turning into yellow Jacket, Dr. Doom being portrayed as the proper badass he is, an amazing set up for the Skrull Invasion and a proper aftermath for what happens after Captain America is seen as a worldwide traitor. Hell, we even see the "replacement" Avengers set up for one of the episodes with Spider Man, Wolverine, Iron Fist, and Luke Cage.
It's basically the closest that Marvel has ever gotten to being on par with the greats of the DCAU of Justice League/JLU or BTAS/Batman Beyond. Only thing else that is Marvel that comes close is the Spectacular Spiderman (another axed show that was replaced with something that was far below what standard it set, man I REALLY hated The Ultimate Spiderman series after they squandered what little potential it had).
Lance845 wrote: Avengers Earths Mightiest Heroes is a great show that covers a lot of really great storylines and has the best theme song.
The second half of Season 2, when "Man of Action" appears in the credits sucks. Up until that point, one of the greatest animated super-hero shows I have seen, and I have seen a lot of them.
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Just announced that She Hulk episodes are going to premier on a Thursday instead of the traditional Wednesday for some reason, with the first one coming on Aug 18th.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
