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Piety and Pain was previously showing as no longer available (and was even still showing on search results for the last week when it actually was available if you clicked onto the actual product page).

No longer available online seems to be a default setting when anything initially moves out of stock on Forgeworld / GW recently. They usually change it back to Temporarily Out of Stock within a few days (this recently happened to quite a few character packs from Middle Earth and Necromunda).

Yeah I think that's it. It's a terrible default to have though! "This is no longer available" is pretty much mutually exclusive with "this will be available again".

I think it's important to note that Indomitus was just models and a few small booklets of fluff/instructions for building. Not a whole board game.

It's possible that Cursed City's model components may be the only thing that GW makes available as a MTO.

I'm not saying we shouldn't have discussion, but I've seen this countless times before. People get all worried over nothing, they're inconsolable, it doesn't matter what anyone else says or knows they reject it out of hand, and then try to form a worst case scenario out of scant evidence, reimagined to have significance when it obviously has none.

and this becomes definitive evidence the game will never be reprinted. Or the webstore uses specific wording to say they ain't got no more to sell right now, instead of some other specific wording to say they ain't got no more to sell right now, and this becomes a sign from above that their indeed will never be another copy made.

GW stocks and restocks products all the time, literally all the time, it's not hard for them to make more. I say all this in good humor, there's no reason to read the tea leaves here, it's another product like the other Warhammer Quest, or Blood Bowl, or Necromunda, that they'll have the factory they own make some more of.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
These things take time and cannot just be arranged at the drop of a hat.

For sure, but if they're just reacting all the time and not planning these things in advance then that's pretty much the definition of amateur.

people on these boards *always* underestimate the cost of board game carboard, cards, and dice.

These are more expensive to produce than people think. I'm not saying that this isn't expensive, but just check the prices of regular old board games with cardboard, cards, and wooden pieces, and dice. That stuff alone adds up.

While I do firmly believe there is a reprint coming, I do agree with the people stating that GW does an absolutely horrible job communicating about their products. All they needed to do is tell their community staff “This is a line product, not a limited release.”

At that together with all the times the community staff gets products contents wrong (Pariah Nexus being the last big example) or rules wrong and it can definitely be frustrating. That all said I can see why the community team is being quit if they don’t know for certain, they got roasted pretty hard (understandably) over the Pariah Nexus fiasco.

Billicus wrote:

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
These things take time and cannot just be arranged at the drop of a hat.

For sure, but if they're just reacting all the time and not planning these things in advance then that's pretty much the definition of amateur.

Sure, planning these things in advance is easy...if you have a crystal ball or a time machine.

There's a reason why "stock forecasts" exist...and why they oftentimes seem to be horribly mismanaged to an outside observer. Especially in fields where "limited edition" products can either bomb horribly or sell out almost instantaneously. Predictions do not equate to definitive knowledge.

The first item sold out in the four regions(NZ,AUS,GB,US) for this batch of preorders that I watched?
It was the LE version of the Cursed City novel. Followed by the "Cursed City Collection"(normal version of book+game). Standard version of Cursed City novel went after that, around 10 minutes in. Cursed City itself went last, 15 minutes later.

Would any of you have expected the novels to sell before the game?

GW's communication is laughably poor for a company this large. They're not mom and pops cast-minis-in-the-shed business, excusing their lack of preparedness in face of 100% expected instant sell-out is beyond silly.

 Sabotage! wrote:
While I do firmly believe there is a reprint coming, I do agree with the people stating that GW does an absolutely horrible job communicating about their products. All they needed to do is tell their community staff “This is a line product, not a limited release.”

At that together with all the times the community staff gets products contents wrong (Pariah Nexus being the last big example) or rules wrong and it can definitely be frustrating. That all said I can see why the community team is being quit if they don’t know for certain, they got roasted pretty hard (understandably) over the Pariah Nexus fiasco.

They get "roasted" over anything. They can get one minute detail of a rule wrong and people will act like they kicked a puppy.

They're being quiet because they probably don't have any information yet, period.

It's literally their job to communicate those kinds of things. If they don't, there's some sort of failure in information flow in the company.

They were communicating that it was a line item and would be back in stock on the Facebook pages when pre-order was announced on 28 March. The message this weekend has been very non-committal.

I am not sure if maybe the team working this weekend were more junior staff given that it was a bank holiday so not in the know but a shame that a clarifying message hasn't been given since.

I know that Goblin Gaming have been told that more copies are coming and that they setup a pre-order page for the 2nd wave.

(They have actually updated the page to say it's made to order)

https://www.goblingaming.co.uk/products/made-to-order-warhammer-quest-cursed-city-en

Having a basic plan for what happens when a product sells out isn't crystal ball mystic meg territory but it's funny to imagine it is, I agree.

GW does have a time machine, how else would they know what's going on in the 41st millennium?

Billicus wrote:
Having a basic plan for what happens when a product sells out isn't crystal ball mystic meg territory but it's funny to imagine it is, I agree.

The basic plan is usually "It lasted about as long as we expected it to, thanks forecasting!".

Unfortunately, these boxed sets? They either sell as well as the interest makes them out to be or they rot on shelves because people moved on to the next shiny thing already or they decide to go another route.
I can go get four copies of Feast of Bones right now from a local independent shop that ordered them via a 3rd party distributor at a higher price because the "interest" was extremely high compared to the allocations they would have gotten from GW. They've got a bunch of the Apocalypse sets there too for the same reason: people run their mouths about how many they'll buy, but then it never materializes as actual sales.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

It's been over a year and a half. Pandemic should be the New normal and every Corporation should've already adjusted a long time ago.

Companies in the UK are still required to have people wearing masks and maintaining social distancing. This is having an effect on productivity in many places where companies can't operate machinery at full capacity.

The worst outcome would be no more boxes, which I don't think its the case here since they limited to 1 box per client knowing they would not be able to meet demand. That alone tells me that later prints will come in due time.
Communication is a thing yeah, GW always had ups and downs but overall is secretive... But heck this box was just released and we had at the Easter 4 day break. Like chill a bit guys.

Looking at the unboxing vids... I don't know why but this box seems a bit light, maybe its the condensed sprues don't know. Looking at gaming vids I almost fell asleep... yikes

 Kanluwen wrote:

Billicus wrote:
Having a basic plan for what happens when a product sells out isn't crystal ball mystic meg territory but it's funny to imagine it is, I agree.

The basic plan is usually "It lasted about as long as we expected it to, thanks forecasting!".

Unfortunately, these boxed sets? They either sell as well as the interest makes them out to be or they rot on shelves because people moved on to the next shiny thing already or they decide to go another route.
I can go get four copies of Feast of Bones right now from a local independent shop that ordered them via a 3rd party distributor at a higher price because the "interest" was extremely high compared to the allocations they would have gotten from GW. They've got a bunch of the Apocalypse sets there too for the same reason: people run their mouths about how many they'll buy, but then it never materializes as actual sales.

I think a lot also depends on the quality of the final product, reviews etc as well as the popularity/nostalgia factor of the title.

There was a reason copies of Dreadfleet were still sat on shelves many months after it went on sale, while something like Space Hulk sold out really fast.

Anything with the title 'Warhammer Quest', which looks approachably Fantasy Old-world and some lovely preview miniatures, was always going to be massively popular. And in the same way that many 'classic' board games are still being produced 20-30 years after their initial release, there is no reason at all that this game couldn't keep running and running. Hell I would still buy the mid 90s version if that came out in a fresh re-print tomorrow

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
While I do firmly believe there is a reprint coming, I do agree with the people stating that GW does an absolutely horrible job communicating about their products. All they needed to do is tell their community staff “This is a line product, not a limited release.”

At that together with all the times the community staff gets products contents wrong (Pariah Nexus being the last big example) or rules wrong and it can definitely be frustrating. That all said I can see why the community team is being quit if they don’t know for certain, they got roasted pretty hard (understandably) over the Pariah Nexus fiasco.

They get "roasted" over anything. They can get one minute detail of a rule wrong and people will act like they kicked a puppy.

They're being quiet because they probably don't have any information yet, period.

The only time I remember when they got a lot of flack for getting one line wrong was the Inquisition in the 40k supplement book. And that was because people bought the book thinking they could play an Inquisition army, and it turned out they couldn't. The Pariah Nexus thing was pretty bad too, but that was pretty understandable. If people bought an 160 dollar box thinking they could play a game from it and couldn't, that's pretty bad marketing there.

That all aside, GW is very bad at disseminating information, both externally and internally, so you are probably right they have nothing.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Billicus wrote:

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
These things take time and cannot just be arranged at the drop of a hat.

For sure, but if they're just reacting all the time and not planning these things in advance then that's pretty much the definition of amateur.

Sure, planning these things in advance is easy...if you have a crystal ball or a time machine.

There's a reason why "stock forecasts" exist...and why they oftentimes seem to be horribly mismanaged to an outside observer. Especially in fields where "limited edition" products can either bomb horribly or sell out almost instantaneously. Predictions do not equate to definitive knowledge.

The first item sold out in the four regions(NZ,AUS,GB,US) for this batch of preorders that I watched?
It was the LE version of the Cursed City novel. Followed by the "Cursed City Collection"(normal version of book+game). Standard version of Cursed City novel went after that, around 10 minutes in. Cursed City itself went last, 15 minutes later.

Would any of you have expected the novels to sell before the game?

Well presumably there were less of the books made, particularly the limited edition one, so yes, I would expect that.

Agreed, it seems extremely likely that far less books were printed than copies of the game were produced.

Normally unless the novels are Horus Heresy or one of the Big Name Authors' releases? The LE versions go last. Same thing is standard fare for army books.

There was zero difference between the novel and LE version in terms of contents. Both came with the special card and the standard version even had a one-click bundle with the game.

 NAVARRO wrote:

Looking at the unboxing vids... I don't know why but this box seems a bit light, maybe its the condensed sprues don't know.

It's a slim box. Slimmer than Kill Team, or Necromunda, or Warcry, or even Speed Freeks.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Companies in the UK are still required to have people wearing masks and maintaining social distancing. This is having an effect on productivity in many places where companies can't operate machinery at full capacity.

Well in the most recent half year report they note that factory #2 was operational and they produced "30% more" YOY, however, they also stated that "out of stock" incidents were still running high.

I imagine that with the stimulus money in the US and elsewhere a lot of folks have enough money in easy reach for a release like this.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Companies in the UK are still required to have people wearing masks and maintaining social distancing. This is having an effect on productivity in many places where companies can't operate machinery at full capacity.

Well in the most recent half year report they note that factory #2 was operational and they produced "30% more" YOY, however, they also stated that "out of stock" incidents were still running high.

I imagine that with the stimulus money in the US and elsewhere a lot of folks have enough money in easy reach for a release like this.

Indeed. They’ve done what they can to ramp up production, but had a £40,000,000 increase in sales over a six month period. So to a certain degree, the actual production increase has meant they’ve more treaded water than got stock where they want it.

And boxed games like this are produced months in advance. They have to be to allow the outsourced stuff to get made and shipped back. So it’s quite possible they ordered a decent amount for pre-pandemic buyer levels, and haven’t had much of a chance to get new ones assembled.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Indeed. They’ve done what they can to ramp up production, but had a £40,000,000 increase in sales over a six month period. So to a certain degree, the actual production increase has meant they’ve more treaded water than got stock where they want it.

And boxed games like this are produced months in advance. They have to be to allow the outsourced stuff to get made and shipped back. So it’s quite possible they ordered a decent amount for pre-pandemic buyer levels, and haven’t had much of a chance to get new ones assembled.

That's all great, but has no actual bearing on GW communicating that Cursed City is coming back.

Derek H wrote:
Companies in the UK are still required to have people wearing masks and maintaining social distancing. This is having an effect on productivity in many places where companies can't operate machinery at full capacity.

The need to wear a mask is stopping GW telling people that Cursed City will be coming back in stock?

Like I said, that excuse is wearing real thin.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I can go get four copies of Feast of Bones right now...

Feast of Bones - a box for an existing game system - is not even similar to this release. And you know that.

Just more excuses as usual, Kan.

Quasistellar wrote:
people on these boards *always* underestimate the cost of board game carboard, cards, and dice.

These are more expensive to produce than people think. I'm not saying that this isn't expensive, but just check the prices of regular old board games with cardboard, cards, and wooden pieces, and dice. That stuff alone adds up.

We all know regular board games sell their stuff at hilariously jnflated prices, doesn't justify GW selling plastic at 7500% of it's actual value

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Quasistellar wrote:
people on these boards *always* underestimate the cost of board game carboard, cards, and dice.

These are more expensive to produce than people think. I'm not saying that this isn't expensive, but just check the prices of regular old board games with cardboard, cards, and wooden pieces, and dice. That stuff alone adds up.

We all know regular board games sell their stuff at hilariously jnflated prices, doesn't justify GW selling plastic at 7500% of it's actual value

Why don't you just buy sheets of plastic, then? You'd save a lot of money.

Quasistellar wrote:
people on these boards *always* underestimate the cost of board game carboard, cards, and dice.

These are more expensive to produce than people think. I'm not saying that this isn't expensive, but just check the prices of regular old board games with cardboard, cards, and wooden pieces, and dice. That stuff alone adds up.

Yes, let's!





You can get all 3 in the series for less than Cursed City

Erm... yeah. I can see why.