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Has anyone seen, or picked up "Lords of the Mortal Realm"?

Is it available, yet? How about that Father and Daughter duo?

I for one would just like the newer sculpts of some witch/ demon hunters...

They would make for some good Rogue Traders/ Inquisitors.

 silent25 wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I mean, you can still bloody buy Blackstone Fortress.

Except that points to the problem that they over produced BSF. Three years out, they likely didn't want any BSF still on the shelves still. They looked at the number of BSF units produced and thought, we made too much. They clearly missed the estimate of how much they cut back. But with the whole pre-orders on hold and articles on inventory management issues points to a bigger problem that they likely don't want to admit. Would you openly come out to shareholder and say, we don't know how much we're producing, how much we have in stock or how much we sell? That would lead to a major share hit. The WHC group likely don't know what is going on either because they aren't being told. Management doesn't want the severity of the issues to get out.

That's obviously not the case, as if it was then it would sell out instead of going temp out of stock as it has done since it's initial release. Which it is right now on the uk webstore.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 silent25 wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I mean, you can still bloody buy Blackstone Fortress.

Except that points to the problem that they over produced BSF. Three years out, they likely didn't want any BSF still on the shelves still. They looked at the number of BSF units produced and thought, we made too much. They clearly missed the estimate of how much they cut back. But with the whole pre-orders on hold and articles on inventory management issues points to a bigger problem that they likely don't want to admit. Would you openly come out to shareholder and say, we don't know how much we're producing, how much we have in stock or how much we sell? That would lead to a major share hit. The WHC group likely don't know what is going on either because they aren't being told. Management doesn't want the severity of the issues to get out.

That's obviously not the case, as if it was then it would sell out instead of going temp out of stock as it has done since it's initial release. Which it is right now on the uk webstore.

They sent out a letter to stores saying they would not be making more and only the figures would be available again. Nothing is coming up for me on the UK site or US site. It's only showing the hardback as sold out. Doesn't even list the game.

 Grot 6 wrote:
Has anyone seen, or picked up "Lords of the Mortal Realm"?

Is it available, yet? How about that Father and Daughter duo?

I for one would just like the newer sculpts of some witch/ demon hunters...

They would make for some good Rogue Traders/ Inquisitors.

Witch Hunters are due with a later BR book.
Not sure about Lords. But they’re not to do with CC though..

Kroak, the Slaanesh thingy, & the Witch Hunter duo are due with Kragnos.

Warhammer Community wrote:Just what plans do these powerful scions of Slaanesh have in store for the Mortal Realms? You’ll need to read Broken Realms: Kragnos to find out where they interweave with the Seraphon’s venerable Lord Kroak and a certain family of witch hunters.

 silent25 wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I mean, you can still bloody buy Blackstone Fortress.

Except that points to the problem that they over produced BSF. Three years out, they likely didn't want any BSF still on the shelves still. They looked at the number of BSF units produced and thought, we made too much. They clearly missed the estimate of how much they cut back. But with the whole pre-orders on hold and articles on inventory management issues points to a bigger problem that they likely don't want to admit. Would you openly come out to shareholder and say, we don't know how much we're producing, how much we have in stock or how much we sell? That would lead to a major share hit. The WHC group likely don't know what is going on either because they aren't being told. Management doesn't want the severity of the issues to get out.

Except that the game has constantly come in and out of stock, indicating that production has continued.

Warhammer Quest (in whichever form) has a long term appeal. I think a lot of people are so used to the ultra-fast update/new release cycle of their core games, where rulesets are useless gaming wise after that time, that they don't think anything can possibly have a shelf life of more than 2-3 years. Warhammer Quest does in part because the appeal stretches far beyond the hardcore wargaming crowd, through to the casual side of the boardgaming community. Those all amount to a much longer lifespan and continued sales, even if they don't have the frenzied surge of some new wargaming releases.

 Pacific wrote:


Warhammer Quest (in whichever form) has a long term appeal.

From our fan / customer point of view, it looks like it has.

Unfortunately, from a producer's point of view, I'm pretty willing to bet the real number of Warhammer Quest boxes sold (even at the time of the first éditions) pale in comparison to their other games.

I think we artifically inflate the importance of games like this one. I mean, sure, it touches the vibe of RPGs but thing is...it doesn't appeal that much to players already doing RPGs because the game will never be as free as a true RPG they're currently playing. And as for new players wanting to discover how RPGs work...they usually don't stay that long before they switch to "real RPGs" and see that all the work they want to make in Warhammer Quest to make it feel more like a RPG isn't needed at all when another RPG does it for them already...with better tools even.

It leaves the boardgamers, and well...GW boardgames are in a very particular niche that's not appealing to the crowd of boardgamers in general. It leaves only the crowd of GW fans boardgamers, and I don't believe it's that big a crowd in the end for real long term plans like they do for 40k, as example.

Warhammer Quests always had a very specific life span. Sure, you may see the core box of BSF up on their webstore still now, but ask yourself ; where did Silver Tower and Shadows over Hammerhal go ? Not on the GW webstore anymore for sure. And in the end, they didn't have that many expansions as well...(I'm being VERY generous here by saying that. Simply put, there was only one...and it was just the pack of new heroes cards using other AoS heroes at that time for Silver Tower, that happened to be still usable in Shadows over Hammerhal. There was also an article in the White Dwarf for a new quest, but does that really count as an expansion ?).

Why BSF has that many expansions in comparison ? Maybe because it's catering to 40k and 40k is way more popular ? Also maybe futuristic dungeon crawlers aren't that easily seen elsewhere, even in RPGs, so the competition / comparison is less ferocious ?

For me, I feel that GW has done various bad things over the years and after each proverbial slap, they offer up something shiny and I take it. Not this time, not even the new orks (I LOVE orks) has made me feel any better.

Cursed City was something I was very excited for, had a group set up for playing, was going to run campaigns etc. The local GW store was going to run a campaign too, which I wanted to join in on. The idea that we could get our quests done, our heros ready for the next release, and then run through it, was really good, and I felt excited about something GW's released, which I haven't for a while.
Now this is gone, most people who wanted it didn't get it, and instead of telling their fans/customers/supporters the truth, they just hid it, and lied, and deleted comments asking about Cursed City on Facebook.

If people just refused to care, didn't say anything about this and moved on, then GW realises that they can do this without issue. Then they might move to the main stream games. A faction doesn't sell that good, it vanishes. A unit is overpowered, or not sold, it never existed.

I think that's me out. I have so much GW stuff that I've had to stick most of it in the attic for storage while I built new display cabinets, and now it's time to dig it out and sell.
I was in from Rogue Trader (still got my badly used copy) the Warhammer Fantasy Battles books, and Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay, and I give up!

 ritualnet wrote:
For me, I feel that GW has done various bad things over the years and after each proverbial slap, they offer up something shiny and I take it. Not this time, not even the new orks (I LOVE orks) has made me feel any better.

Cursed City was something I was very excited for, had a group set up for playing, was going to run campaigns etc. The local GW store was going to run a campaign too, which I wanted to join in on. The idea that we could get our quests done, our heros ready for the next release, and then run through it, was really good, and I felt excited about something GW's released, which I haven't for a while.
Now this is gone, most people who wanted it didn't get it, and instead of telling their fans/customers/supporters the truth, they just hid it, and lied, and deleted comments asking about Cursed City on Facebook.

If people just refused to care, didn't say anything about this and moved on, then GW realises that they can do this without issue. Then they might move to the main stream games. A faction doesn't sell that good, it vanishes. A unit is overpowered, or not sold, it never existed.

I think that's me out. I have so much GW stuff that I've had to stick most of it in the attic for storage while I built new display cabinets, and now it's time to dig it out and sell.
I was in from Rogue Trader (still got my badly used copy) the Warhammer Fantasy Battles books, and Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay, and I give up!

allready happened, well , depends on how you define legends.

Sarouan wrote:


Why BSF has that many expansions in comparison ? Maybe because it's catering to 40k and 40k is way more popular ? Also maybe futuristic dungeon crawlers aren't that easily seen elsewhere, even in RPGs, so the competition / comparison is less ferocious ?

They didn't have the "side game" division in 2018, and their profit had since quadrupled by the time BSF release. They had a lots of extra cash to invest into side game like WU, Warcry, Killteam, and multiple Specialist Games, many of them aren't related to 40k.

GW loves money, if the products are making them money, and they have a team making them, they will continue doing it.

 silent25 wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I mean, you can still bloody buy Blackstone Fortress.

Except that points to the problem that they over produced BSF. Three years out, they likely didn't want any BSF still on the shelves still. They looked at the number of BSF units produced and thought, we made too much. They clearly missed the estimate of how much they cut back. But with the whole pre-orders on hold and articles on inventory management issues points to a bigger problem that they likely don't want to admit. Would you openly come out to shareholder and say, we don't know how much we're producing, how much we have in stock or how much we sell? That would lead to a major share hit. The WHC group likely don't know what is going on either because they aren't being told. Management doesn't want the severity of the issues to get out.

Except they didn't - Blackstone Fortress has gone in and out of stock numerous times since it released, because GW corporate decided it to be a recurring stock item. The point of a recurring stock item is to maintain it in stock throughout the products lifecycle. It still being available today ignores the fact that GW sold out of several previous production runs of the product, as well as the fact that "selling out" wasn't the goal to begin with.

 jake wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:


I don't want some random to come out instead of GW and offer excuses. I want GW, themselves, to directly tell everyone exactly what drove them to stopping production and not telling anyone they're stopping productions and deleting all previous info about wheather or not Cursed City is a mainstay. Y'know, have some basic decency?

Why do you need that information?

The game is no longer available. It possibly will be available again at some point. If it is you can choose to buy it or not.

What other information do you need? why is having it important? Why do you feel entitled to this information?

Not at all entitled - but GW as a company wants to establish repeat custom with me. If I was buying a jigsaw puzzle or similar I wouldn't give a monkeys. But GW sells systems which require repeat purchases. I already avoid games that had kickstarter exclusives as I don't like not having complete games. If GW is going to now randomly change product availability that would change my product buying and whether or not I shop with them.

Has anyone actually expressed somewhere that they are entitled to something from GW or is that just a straw man?

A reasonable person could infer an entitled attitude from many of the statements in this thread, I'd say to suggest otherwise would be either disingenuous or foolish.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Has anyone actually expressed somewhere that they are entitled to something from GW or is that just a straw man?

Yeah, but you really don't want to have the answer here and we totally don't need to have that debate back again. If you're really curious, just go back a few pages before. Though you'll be better if you don't.

chaos0xomega wrote:

Spoiler:

 silent25 wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I mean, you can still bloody buy Blackstone Fortress.

Except that points to the problem that they over produced BSF. Three years out, they likely didn't want any BSF still on the shelves still. They looked at the number of BSF units produced and thought, we made too much. They clearly missed the estimate of how much they cut back. But with the whole pre-orders on hold and articles on inventory management issues points to a bigger problem that they likely don't want to admit. Would you openly come out to shareholder and say, we don't know how much we're producing, how much we have in stock or how much we sell? That would lead to a major share hit. The WHC group likely don't know what is going on either because they aren't being told. Management doesn't want the severity of the issues to get out.

Except they didn't - Blackstone Fortress has gone in and out of stock numerous times since it released, because GW corporate decided it to be a recurring stock item. The point of a recurring stock item is to maintain it in stock throughout the products lifecycle. It still being available today ignores the fact that GW sold out of several previous production runs of the product, as well as the fact that "selling out" wasn't the goal to begin with.

I stand corrected, I recall it only going out once. Still with the sales history for BSF, they should have had a very good idea of what sales numbers were going to look like. Again, this with all the other issues points to some major feth ups going on at GW regarding production and inventory. If I was a shareholder, I would be a little concerned right now.

I've heard scuttlebutt from confirmed (anonymous to you but not to me) sources that Cursed City was intended to be a recurring stock item, but as of now it has an uncertain future. Wasn't told the exact reason/cause of what occurred but there was basically a last minute event that caused them to pause further production, TBD whether or not they restart production in the future - the desire is there but not necessarily the ability.
Another tidbit is that the amount of inventory they ended up having available for release was significantly lower than what they thought they had available for some reason - they thought they had produced X many copies, but ended up only having Y instead. Source was cagey about discussing the whys involved, the sense I got was that they have a lot of incomplete copies sitting in warehousing/idling in production that are missing some component(s) that they cannot be released without, not clear on whether this is some printed component or plastic, etc.

I am glad I didn't FOMO this. It looks good but it seems all GW does anymore with box sets is FOMO them.

I wonder if they actually do any research on how many items they should produce for a run. It seems to me they don't give a crap about their customers and believe that in making their product harder or impossible to get they will grow their customer base.

I would love to know the actual amount produced of each of these items that they sell out of in 5 mins. I know if i did my job so poorly I would be fired. Luckily stock holders have no idea how poorly GW functions. GW is a business that has risen to the above caring about its customers status.

I am tired of supporting them. I have cut my orders down significantly when they keep upping the prices and have been going elsewhere to buy games.

There are a ton of great games out there that GW don't make people. Wake up.

Does anyone have the spoiler from the "endgame" envelope? I haven't been able to find out the "canon" ending for the game, but I've seen some hints about it online.

angel of death 007 wrote:
There are a ton of great games out there that GW don't make people. Wake up.

And?

Some of us bought this because we wanted it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

angel of death 007 wrote:
There are a ton of great games out there that GW don't make people. Wake up.

And?

Some of us bought this because we wanted it.

And from the sounds of it, a lot of people who wanted it didn't get it. Or wanted to wait until maybe they had some extra money to get it.

Problem is if you keep supporting companies with this kind of behavior you are not effecting them to have to change. They just do whatever they want and FOMO everything. Worst part is they don't even give reasons or explainations. I mean deleting peoples posts on social media that are voicing their opinion is kinda messed up. Especially when they are the ones who are at fault.

Guys, we all know that if one personally does not like a product then that product is objectively not worth the value and no one else would buy it if not manipulated into doing so.

No need to rehash such well-established logic

angel of death 007 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

angel of death 007 wrote:
There are a ton of great games out there that GW don't make people. Wake up.

And?

Some of us bought this because we wanted it.

And from the sounds of it, a lot of people who wanted it didn't get it. Or wanted to wait until maybe they had some extra money to get it.

Problem is if you keep supporting companies with this kind of behavior you are not effecting them to have to change. They just do whatever they want and FOMO everything. Worst part is they don't even give reasons or explainations. I mean deleting peoples posts on social media that are voicing their opinion is kinda messed up. Especially when they are the ones who are at fault.

Are they the ones at fault? That isn't clear- it may have been their screw up, but it may have been somewhere else in the supply chain. This isn't just a 'FOMO-rarrr-profits-step-on-the-poor-little-consumer' issue. This is something going wrong. A clear explanation would definitely be nice, but 'this kind of behavior' (whatever you think it is) is pure speculation.


And no, deleting social media posts isn't 'messed up.' A lot of opinions are baseless nonsense- no point in keeping them around.

To be clear, this whole mess has definitely cost them sales to me. Not just this, but the underworlds vampire gang (though part of that is the wacky scale adjustment for those giants), and the soulblight army coming later this year. I was going to buy each in turn, and now... nothing. My money will go somewhere else. After being unable to find Cursed City, I picked up the Stellaris expansion instead, and planned minis time turned into computer time. They'll have to really swing something impressive to swing my interest back to anything coming out this year (and neither AdMech or Belakor is going that direction, so far nor are the new orks, sadly)

chaos0xomega wrote:
I've heard scuttlebutt from confirmed (anonymous to you but not to me) sources that Cursed City was intended to be a recurring stock item, but as of now it has an uncertain future. Wasn't told the exact reason/cause of what occurred but there was basically a last minute event that caused them to pause further production, TBD whether or not they restart production in the future - the desire is there but not necessarily the ability.
Another tidbit is that the amount of inventory they ended up having available for release was significantly lower than what they thought they had available for some reason - they thought they had produced X many copies, but ended up only having Y instead. Source was cagey about discussing the whys involved, the sense I got was that they have a lot of incomplete copies sitting in warehousing/idling in production that are missing some component(s) that they cannot be released without, not clear on whether this is some printed component or plastic, etc.

Though I’d say for sure not the plastic components as then it’d definitely come back. Makes sense it’d be some of the paper components.
They’d still make a load of money if they were missing just the box let’s say. Release it at £10 less, all in bags - they’d still sell out..

can as well be the plastics if some if the molds are gone and you cannot release the game without heroes or bosses

but this comes back to the original post that claimed their ERP System has some big problems

If the moulds are gone? Where would they go?

And besides, everything GW does is via CAD now. I don't think they could lose their designs unless they had a complete system wipe that also took out all the backups.

they break, can be lost on the way or just being recycled because of a wrong Label
with a not working ERP System, everything is possible (and I have seen such things)

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

angel of death 007 wrote:
There are a ton of great games out there that GW don't make people. Wake up.

And?
Some of us bought this because we wanted it.

always depends why you wanted it
for the great gameplay, well all other dungeon crawlers will do, for the minis or other reasons, we are told not be angry at GW for missing out as it is our own fault

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
If the moulds are gone? Where would they go?

And besides, everything GW does is via CAD now. I don't think they could lose their designs unless they had a complete system wipe that also took out all the backups.

Never rule it out, I've worked for companies in *regulated industries* with shoddy or untested disaster recovery

 kodos wrote:
they break, can be lost on the way or just being recycled because of a wrong Label
with a not working ERP System, everything is possible (and I have seen such things)

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

angel of death 007 wrote:
There are a ton of great games out there that GW don't make people. Wake up.

And?
Some of us bought this because we wanted it.

always depends why you wanted it
for the great gameplay, well all other dungeon crawlers will do, for the minis or other reasons, we are told not be angry at GW for missing out as it is our own fault

When were we told that...?

Yeah, I don’t think anyone has treated this as anything less than a frustration.

If they’d been explicit it was a limited run (whether intended or not), people would’ve had the chance to plan accordingly.

Would some people have missed out? Sure, that was sadly inevitable. But by telling us it’d be a stock item, folk ended up missing out because they figured they’d do without the mad rush day one.

Upside of course is with no word it was limited, we didn’t see as much intentional scalping. We have seen it of course, but it tends to be people that bought one, and now fancy a little extra money rather than organised goons.