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Zenithfleet wrote:
IIRC Rick Priestley (?) said during 3rd edition that the Necrons were actually designed with 3rd edition in mind and he had a 'devil of a job retro-designing them' for their late 2nd ed appearance. I don't know if that squares with what I've heard elsewhere (i.e. down the metaphorical online pub) about 3rd's ruleset being a last-minute replacement for something else, though.

It seems unlikely given that the necrons weren't in the 3e rulebook, and didn't get their codex until four years* after the start of 3rd.

3e crons also lacked the characteristic anti-technology rules of the 2e crons, and scarabs were complete opposites between the editions. I'm not sure how you would work backwards from what they were getting in 3rd to what they were in 2nd.


(* they were in chapter approved a year before, but were practically identical to their 3e codex aside from being half the size and having single rather than swarm scarabs as per the older models)

For 3e/3.5, what would be the most thematic list for my Squats? They're a Heavy Infantry Regiment, but they're light on armor and tube artillery.



I was thinking Cadian Shock Troops from EOT, as they can take Sharpshooters, have Iron Discipline, etc. But there are Regimental Doctrine options that look good, too.

Codex Tyranids has arrived! Probably one of my favourite 2nd Ed Codexes. Though to be fair, when it comes to pretty much anything 2nd Ed, I’m about as hard to please as a Labrador being shown a tennis ball.

Gonna have a damn good read!

 RaptorusRex wrote:
For 3e/3.5, what would be the most thematic list for my Squats? They're a Heavy Infantry Regiment, but they're light on armor and tube artillery.

The siege regiment (death korps) was first in Imperial Armour 5. It was released during 4e, but was built for the 3e guard book (they didn't have a 4e codex release).

Death riders can be themed as trikes, quad launchers were thudd guns. IA6 added the hades drill(workable as a termite), and engineers with mole mortars. Tarantulas were in IA 1.

3e Inquisitors and retinues/other units can be added from the WH or DH book for ancients, exo armour, etc, you can even get a landraider that way.

A.T. wrote:

 RaptorusRex wrote:
For 3e/3.5, what would be the most thematic list for my Squats? They're a Heavy Infantry Regiment, but they're light on armor and tube artillery.

The siege regiment (death korps) was first in Imperial Armour 5. It was released during 4e, but was built for the 3e guard book (they didn't have a 4e codex release).

Death riders can be themed as trikes, quad launchers were thudd guns. IA6 added the hades drill(workable as a termite), and engineers with mole mortars. Tarantulas were in IA 1.

3e Inquisitors and retinues/other units can be added from the WH or DH book for ancients, exo armour, etc, you can even get a landraider that way.

It's always been difficult fitting Squats into anything 3rd edition onwards without going too far off-piste and using house rules. I don't think a lot of Imperial Guard lists are fair, even though the flak armour is the same, they only have T3 and so die in droves. Which would probably look kind of funny in the game, but they shouldn't be that fragile. It also sits poorly having a dwarf that isn't T4!

It also leaves Exo Armour off the list, there isn't really anything that's a good sub.

Perhaps if you are just playing with mates, come up with a T4 surcharge for using the Imperial Guard lists (+ a few pts each perhaps?)

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Codex Tyranids has arrived! Probably one of my favourite 2nd Ed Codexes. Though to be fair, when it comes to pretty much anything 2nd Ed, I’m about as hard to please as a Labrador being shown a tennis ball.

Gonna have a damn good read!

I remember that being an absolute bar-stuard of a codex. There was a lad at my local GW with a force, think I got tabled pretty much every time I played him (and viewed any occasion when I didn't get tabled as a moral victory, even though I had technically lost - usually a few aspect warriors running away from a stomping carnifex lol).

 RaptorusRex wrote:
For 3e/3.5, what would be the most thematic list for my Squats? They're a Heavy Infantry Regiment, but they're light on armor and tube artillery.



I was thinking Cadian Shock Troops from EOT, as they can take Sharpshooters, have Iron Discipline, etc. But there are Regimental Doctrine options that look good, too.

Genuinely?

Get hold of Imperial Armour 13.

Yes. It’s a Chaos Book. But the Lost and the Damned section is pretty much a Toolkit Army List. And I do have a copy.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Yes. It’s a Chaos Book. But the Lost and the Damned section is pretty much a Toolkit Army List. And I do have a copy.

It's also a 7th edition book, the gulf in power between it and 3e guard is vast.

It’s still the best ‘make what you want’ toolkit 40K has ever seen.

Re: Squats... just thinking out loud... the current Necron Warrior profile ain't a bad fit.

I am now imagining Squats re-assembling themselves after getting gunned down (or guess it would show their tenacity and ability to get back up, something like that?)

If you really want to play Squats, go 2nd edition! The original rules had the army list, it's pretty basic but covers all of the miniatures that were released, and it would be easy to sub in Imperial Guard vehicles.

Or Epic Squats, I think that faction in Epic Space Marine (2nd edition) really nailed the concept of Squats as a faction with all of the cool war machines, they were far better developed than anything in the 28mm scale.

And that’s Codex Ultramarines arrived.

Good Gravy the plasma blaster was nasty!

It’s begun! Temporal Tactical Transposition is a GO!

You’ll find it in 40K General for now.

Also just found a complete set of 2nd Ed, Dark Millenium and various cardboard terrain pieces (including some Titan Legions) for £70 on eBay.

You better believe I bought it!

That's not bad! That has started going for some serious coin over recent years - I had managed to get hold of a copy of the book which was fairly cheap, but TBH it looks like it had been used for housing material in a gerbil's cage over the last twenty years.

What Titan Legions stuff did you get?

Probs easier just to share the link!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/294785622691

Random Titan Legions terrain...

A.T. wrote:

Zenithfleet wrote:
IIRC Rick Priestley (?) said during 3rd edition that the Necrons were actually designed with 3rd edition in mind and he had a 'devil of a job retro-designing them' for their late 2nd ed appearance. I don't know if that squares with what I've heard elsewhere (i.e. down the metaphorical online pub) about 3rd's ruleset being a last-minute replacement for something else, though.

It seems unlikely given that the necrons weren't in the 3e rulebook, and didn't get their codex until four years* after the start of 3rd.

3e crons also lacked the characteristic anti-technology rules of the 2e crons, and scarabs were complete opposites between the editions. I'm not sure how you would work backwards from what they were getting in 3rd to what they were in 2nd.


(* they were in chapter approved a year before, but were practically identical to their 3e codex aside from being half the size and having single rather than swarm scarabs as per the older models)

3rd Ed single Scarabs were pretty damn scary for tanks, too. They were just fast little meltabombs waiting to explode in your face.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Random Titan Legions terrain...

Yup! I’m sure I’ll find a use for it.

Chaos Codex has arrived.

Perhaps expect a frothy thread about the joys of The Daemon World sub Codex?

Sick of my procurement posts yet?

Well tough titty! Here’s another!

Praise be and sing hosannas! Found a copy of Codex Sisters of Battle 2nd Ed for a comparatively tiny £39, posted.

Given the others ranged £70-£120, I was on that like flames on a heretic,

Now just Space Woofs, Orks and Angels of Death to go.

And….yes. So much for “I’ll buy one a month”…

Must find shelf space for them soon.

No problem at all!

I am enjoying your purchases vicariously

if you are really struggling to find one or the other a post on some of the FB groups might be worth a punt. I was despondent about having to pay £13-14 for a single original terminator (basically one or two guys just seem to have bought all of the available stock and then just have them listed permanently at that price) but some people took pity on my on FB and I was able to get a much better deal - think if people know that you are a collector and not just trying to resell they are a lot more responsive!

At the moment it’s just looking for lower than average prices. I’ve got the ones I was most desperate for, so happy to bide my time on the others.

Because you never know when someone will Buy It Now for a lower price, probably because they don’t know what exactly it is they’re selling.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Praise be and sing hosannas! Found a copy of Codex Sisters of Battle 2nd Ed for a comparatively tiny £39, posted.

That's one I don't have, along with 2nd Ed Woofs and Assassins. Well done.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
And….yes. So much for “I’ll buy one a month”…

Nah. These are 'buy 'em when you find 'em' style purchases.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Must find shelf space for them soon.

I'm getting lots of shelves today...

This thread has got me feeling the urge to buy old rulebooks that I can't really afford now.

Old for me is more third edition, but still. It's a growing temptation.

It’s making me think i should remind The Boy to e-bay all my old crap when I kick off and not just toss it.

 Nevelon wrote:
It’s making me think i should remind The Boy to e-bay all my old crap when I kick off and not just toss it.

HANDS UP!!!!

Show us your wares, your old codexes for a reasonable price or…erm….I’ll cast aspersions about you around a town you don’t live in and will never likely visit!


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Praise be and sing hosannas! Found a copy of Codex Sisters of Battle 2nd Ed for a comparatively tiny £39, posted.

That's one I don't have, along with 2nd Ed Woofs and Assassins. Well done.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
And….yes. So much for “I’ll buy one a month”…

Nah. These are 'buy 'em when you find 'em' style purchases.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Must find shelf space for them soon.

I'm getting lots of shelves today...

Woofs I want. Assassins I’m largely unfussed for. And no. I’ll get me own shelves, you get your own books!

In that order.

Late to the party (and I have many pages to catch up on), but I have many, MANY PDFs for Epic 2nd Ed, I think all I'm missing is the Titan Legions rulebook (and if anyone has a PDF they fancy sending me I'll be your friend FOREVER.

All the expansions, army cards and White Dwarf articles - mostly from 2nd Ed Space Marine FB groups being hugely generous. Hit me up if there's anything you need MDG, we're very comfortable in this particular rabbit hole ;-)

I still have a ton of 2nd Ed era Chaos Marines, I should see if I can do a 2nd Ed army out of them.

 Skinflint Games wrote:
Late to the party (and I have many pages to catch up on), but I have many, MANY PDFs for Epic 2nd Ed, I think all I'm missing is the Titan Legions rulebook (and if anyone has a PDF they fancy sending me I'll be your friend FOREVER.

All the expansions, army cards and White Dwarf articles - mostly from 2nd Ed Space Marine FB groups being hugely generous. Hit me up if there's anything you need MDG, we're very comfortable in this particular rabbit hole ;-)

Oooooh! I’ll take PDFs of the WD articles. Other books I prefer to have the Real McCoy!


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Also, despite saying I wasn’t fussed for Codex Assassins?

It was £11.94 posted.

£11.94. You don’t say mouth to a goose and you don’t look a gift boo in the horse.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
It’s making me think i should remind The Boy to e-bay all my old crap when I kick off and not just toss it.

HANDS UP!!!!

Show us your wares, your old codexes for a reasonable price or…erm….I’ll cast aspersions about you around a town you don’t live in and will never likely visit!

The problem is that I still use some of them. Like when someone starts asking about putting together a 2nd ed Eldar list I can grab my book off the shelf and help. I view myself as a living ancestor for the community, and a deep library helps with that.

The other issue is purely sentimental. Not just with the GW stuff, but other games on the shelf. I could box it up and store, or deal with figuring out the mechanics of selling it. But having it on the shelf is a touchstone for a happier time. Seeing those books and game boxes reminds me of the halcyon days of my youth, long past.

From a practical POV, most of it just takes up space and I should re-home it to someplace it would be more loved. But it would be like cutting off my link to the past for some of it. I could sit down and see which items “spark joy” and which are just there. But that would take time and emotional energy, which I don’t have.

So inertia wins, and stuff stays.