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JSG wrote:

Even in the AoS stream they were showing off models we'd seen two-three weeks ago.

Plus several things we'd never seen before at all. Here all we got was the special nundam suit character, the priest, and a different build of the celestian shieldbearers.

Thanks to everyone for the respectful explanations about the height difference. I only had that one photo to go by. I couldn't really tell the posture difference (it just looked like Sister Standard had a loooong torso).

 KidCthulhu wrote:
Thanks to everyone for the respectful explanations about the height difference. I only had that one photo to go by. I couldn't really tell the posture difference (it just looked like Sister Standard had a loooong torso).

Well, they did say they were expanding the sisters.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Mr. Grey wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
The Fugly Crap Herself, fresh from the Stream

You must be an absolute pleasure to know in person. I don't think I've ever seen a non-negative post from you here on Dakka. Are you one of those people that absolutely hates the hobby but can't stay away from discussions about said hobby?

I mean is there anything about GW to be positive about?

Why do you come and post about a game that clearly makes you miserable? There are many other fine hobbies out in the world, probably a lot of them that won't make you sad.

soviet13 wrote:

JSG wrote:

Even in the AoS stream they were showing off models we'd seen two-three weeks ago.

Plus several things we'd never seen before at all. Here all we got was the special nundam suit character, the priest, and a different build of the celestian shieldbearers.

First time we actually saw a whole unit of the shieldbearers, a Lord of fricking Terra, and a Priest.

Kragnos has been teased for quite some time now. Radukar from yesterday was basically guaranteed if you'd paid attention to some hints that were being dropped. Dire Wolves were a "duh" thing that basically anyone following availability knew in advance(they've been unable to be ordered for months, not "out of stock"--plain unavailable, which is what in normal years happens when a kit is either being redone or axed). Wolf-rider got namedropped before. The Mother of Nightmares was spoiled in the WD preview on Friday.

So yeah, I'm sorry today was not just full of hundreds of new models. But guess what? It never was going to be. We were going to see repeats of stuff in all likelihood, because that's what happens as we get closer to a release in the current method of previews.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm disappointed there wasn't any discussion of the Mechanicus. The previews we've gotten have been absolute crap, focused on basically just weapon changes. I don't need to know the weapon rules, I want to know how the damn Marshal works. I want to know how Canticles are going to function.

We'd normally see that once the pre-pre-order article is released, wouldn't we? If Sunday confirms that, then we'll see that sort of content next week.

Unlike the Death Guard, it seems they've remembered to hold back WHC content to fit with the pre-order schedule this time.

Nah. We saw previews of the character/scenery piece a bit in advance if I remember right. In any regards, remember that we got info about some stuff already for AdMech...but it really was just too technical of info to be anything aside from "look, we're changing some things!". It's the kind of info that usually is better served for preview shows where they talk about changes to the codices rather than full articles.

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
All they had to do to make this a worthy preview in itself was to detail the road map of the next 6 codex's after AdMech, no need for dates etc, just detail what they are and in what order, give people an inkling of when they will get their codex.

You're not wrong - they could've probably mentioned the pre-order date for AdMech without too much of an issue, then confirmed the next three without an issue (SoB, Orks, ???), even if they didn't confirm the release months.

That's not what people want though. They want solid info. We "knew" April for AdMech but things blew up and things happened, and we're still waiting on the book and the one token Skitarii character that should have been released forever ago.

Maybe we'll see that on Friday.

I hope they don't waste time giving schedules. The previews are light enough as is.

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I will say I'm glad I'm just hopping on WHC to read the article for these - don't think I want to deal with Twitch chat for long enough to watch these live

Just turn on Theater mode and you don't have to see the chat.

Or put it in PiP mode and go do something else on your device. No Chat and you can ignore all the interstitial waffle from the presenters too.

Togusa wrote:

Spoiler:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Mr. Grey wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
The Fugly Crap Herself, fresh from the Stream

You must be an absolute pleasure to know in person. I don't think I've ever seen a non-negative post from you here on Dakka. Are you one of those people that absolutely hates the hobby but can't stay away from discussions about said hobby?

I mean is there anything about GW to be positive about?

Why do you come and post about a game that clearly makes you miserable? There are many other fine hobbies out in the world, probably a lot of them that won't make you sad.

I mean, you might as well ask why someone would return to a forum a fortnight after they complained about the moderation policy and said they'd not be back...

 Dysartes wrote:

Togusa wrote:

Spoiler:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Mr. Grey wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
The Fugly Crap Herself, fresh from the Stream

You must be an absolute pleasure to know in person. I don't think I've ever seen a non-negative post from you here on Dakka. Are you one of those people that absolutely hates the hobby but can't stay away from discussions about said hobby?

I mean is there anything about GW to be positive about?

Why do you come and post about a game that clearly makes you miserable? There are many other fine hobbies out in the world, probably a lot of them that won't make you sad.

I mean, you might as well ask why someone would return to a forum a fortnight after they complained about the moderation policy and said they'd not be back...

Because I like to watch some of the people here cry and think they're the only people in the entire hobby whose opinions matter.

There is my answer to your question. Now, answer my original one. Why come and cry about these game and be clearly miserable about it? There are many posters in this thread who clearly want nothing to do with the hobby, yet post extremely often to cry about it.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm disappointed there wasn't any discussion of the Mechanicus. The previews we've gotten have been absolute crap, focused on basically just weapon changes. I don't need to know the weapon rules, I want to know how the damn Marshal works. I want to know how Canticles are going to function.

We'd normally see that once the pre-pre-order article is released, wouldn't we? If Sunday confirms that, then we'll see that sort of content next week.

Unlike the Death Guard, it seems they've remembered to hold back WHC content to fit with the pre-order schedule this time.

Nah. We saw previews of the character/scenery piece a bit in advance if I remember right. In any regards, remember that we got info about some stuff already for AdMech...but it really was just too technical of info to be anything aside from "look, we're changing some things!". It's the kind of info that usually is better served for preview shows where they talk about changes to the codices rather than full articles.

As far as I recall, all we've seen from the AdMech release is an article on weapon profile changes, which is probably due to reboxes with updated assembly instruction profiles making it into the wild. The character has been shown in another preview, but I don't think we've heard anything about what he does - might be wrong there, though.

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
All they had to do to make this a worthy preview in itself was to detail the road map of the next 6 codex's after AdMech, no need for dates etc, just detail what they are and in what order, give people an inkling of when they will get their codex.

You're not wrong - they could've probably mentioned the pre-order date for AdMech without too much of an issue, then confirmed the next three without an issue (SoB, Orks, ???), even if they didn't confirm the release months.

That's not what people want though. They want solid info. We "knew" April for AdMech but things blew up and things happened, and we're still waiting on the book and the one token Skitarii character that should have been released forever ago.

People may want solid info, but given that it sounds like things are a bit unsettled at GW, there's a limit on what they can (or will) provide. Confirming the release order for books we're reasonably sure (or actually know) are coming (AdMech, SoB) and possibly how another sub-faction is being released (Beastsnaggas - not sure if it is a new Ork 'dex or not at this point), along with maybe the faction after that would be good info, even if they didn't say the month for anything other than AdMech.

Maybe we'll see that on Friday.

I hope they don't waste time giving schedules. The previews are light enough as is.

I was thinking five minutes, tops - "And here are the next few books you've got to look forwards to" - with the first one we're not expecting as a sting in the tail of the preview.

Even better if it is a faction that needs some support, and even betterer if it came with a model tease.

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I will say I'm glad I'm just hopping on WHC to read the article for these - don't think I want to deal with Twitch chat for long enough to watch these live

Just turn on Theater mode and you don't have to see the chat.

Theater mode is an option, true, but in most decent streams chat adds to the experience, rather than detracting to it. I think I favour the more concise form of the article, too.

Togusa wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

Togusa wrote:

Spoiler:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Mr. Grey wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
The Fugly Crap Herself, fresh from the Stream

You must be an absolute pleasure to know in person. I don't think I've ever seen a non-negative post from you here on Dakka. Are you one of those people that absolutely hates the hobby but can't stay away from discussions about said hobby?

I mean is there anything about GW to be positive about?

Why do you come and post about a game that clearly makes you miserable? There are many other fine hobbies out in the world, probably a lot of them that won't make you sad.

I mean, you might as well ask why someone would return to a forum a fortnight after they complained about the moderation policy and said they'd not be back...

Because I like to watch some of the people here cry and think they're the only people in the entire hobby whose opinions matter.

There is my answer to your question. Now, answer my original one. Why come and cry about these game and be clearly miserable about it? There are many posters in this thread who clearly want nothing to do with the hobby, yet post extremely often to cry about it.

Yada yadda ad eternum, who cares about that! This topic is about GW and Warhammer fest online reveals.

Humm I wonder if that tyranid ( and if someone says again genestealers are not tyranids I will send a few your way to French kiss you) is going to be a boxed game release...

Okay, today was disappointing for most and there is not much else to say on the matter. Certainly not enough to be upset with each other...

Tomorrow is Black Library, so for now lets have some thoughts about that instead.

They mentioned miniatures to go along with the BL stuff – what could those be?

The only change I would make to the sisters battle suits is change the sisters arms to hold holy relics or a banner instead of controlling the suit. The Idea of a warsuit sister calmly praying in the mids carnage sounds awesome.

 BertBert wrote:
They mentioned miniatures to go along with the BL stuff – what could those be?

Judging by the Ventris model it'll be whatever the intern knocked up between trips to Starbucks.

 Dysartes wrote:

As far as I recall, all we've seen from the AdMech release is an article on weapon profile changes, which is probably due to reboxes with updated assembly instruction profiles making it into the wild. The character has been shown in another preview, but I don't think we've heard anything about what he does - might be wrong there, though.

The character has been in two different previews, being teased out first in one and then revealed in another. The weapon profile changes article is the kind of thing we would get during the week-long runup to a release. We also got the "famous Techpriests and a Monkey" thing. We know more about Kragnos' stats and rules than we do the Marshal, who literally just got revealed and named and then...nothing. We don't even know if he's a fricking HQ.

That whole reveal of the AdMech book was basically a joke anyways. We saw the book and the Marshal and then...basically nothing else. No mention of how things might be changing, no mention of what the Marshal does, etc. We have more detail on Kragnos and the Sisters stuff than we do a book possibly going up for order in 2 weeks.

SamusDrake wrote:
Okay, today was disappointing for most and there is not much else to say on the matter. Certainly not enough to be upset with each other...

Tomorrow is Black Library, so for now lets have some thoughts about that instead.

Colour versions of Darkblade collected in a hardcover format hopefully

Teehee... I like how the middle nunbot pilot has a bare head and an eyepatch. Wouldn’t it be good if there was something she could have worn that would protect her head from the dangers of the battlefield (and yes I am being facetious)

Really not sure about the SoB warsuit models. Just seems off brand. GW are going too hard on the space marines but girls angle for me and not quite enough religious zealots with institutional resources.

So now we get the Raging Heroes Sisters Mechs but in less cool from GW (and I guess they will cost more)

Cynista wrote:
Really not sure about the SoB warsuit models. Just seems off brand. GW are going too hard on the space marines but girls angle for me and not quite enough religious zealots with institutional resources.

I'm really on the fence as well. Some of the motion shots from the reveal were a bit more flattering. It's possible the painting style is making them appear cleaner/higher tech than they need to be.

They didn't feel like drilling out the centre of the Celestian Superior's pistol barrel, then?

With so little to show, they could at least have previewed the full squad of halberd-wielding sisters too. Curious to see how the various poses work out with those.

Yet more named characters in plastic (while other options remain metal/resin), meh. Hoping for a move away from focussing on named characters feels increasingly futile.

Certainly hope the next previews will have more content, or they should indeed have simply condensed it all into a single 2-hour stream rather than spread over an entire week.

 Las wrote:

Cynista wrote:
Really not sure about the SoB warsuit models. Just seems off brand. GW are going too hard on the space marines but girls angle for me and not quite enough religious zealots with institutional resources.

I'm really on the fence as well. Some of the motion shots from the reveal were a bit more flattering. It's possible the painting style is making them appear cleaner/higher tech than they need to be.

I've said in a few threads now that they seem to clean and almost viable to be a proper sisters unit... A sisters unit should be partially absolutely batS***T and very grimdark. Bigger penitent engines, or dual pilot engines, they shouldn't have a space marine predator either, that should be a massive cannon pushed along by penitents etc, basically medieval siege weapons, bristled with heavy bolters, flamers and meltas.

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:

 Las wrote:

Cynista wrote:
Really not sure about the SoB warsuit models. Just seems off brand. GW are going too hard on the space marines but girls angle for me and not quite enough religious zealots with institutional resources.

I'm really on the fence as well. Some of the motion shots from the reveal were a bit more flattering. It's possible the painting style is making them appear cleaner/higher tech than they need to be.

I've said in a few threads now that they seem to clean and almost viable to be a proper sisters unit... A sisters unit should be partially absolutely batS***T and very grimdark. Bigger penitent engines, or dual pilot engines, they shouldn't have a space marine predator either, that should be a massive cannon pushed along by penitents etc, basically medieval siege weapons, bristled with heavy bolters, flamers and meltas.

Give this man a job at GW!

I think the Sisters stuff works because its repurposed marine stuff, but yeah a huge siege cannon for FW with penitents dragging it along yes that's grim dark sister of battle! (or Chaos Cultists)

Cynista wrote:
Really not sure about the SoB warsuit models. Just seems off brand. GW are going too hard on the space marines but girls angle for me and not quite enough religious zealots with institutional resources.

I think a designer just really has a hard-on for baby carriages. It didn't work for the Nemesis Dreadknights and was openly ridiculed by most, yet they tried it again and the SoB ones are not quite as terrible, mostly because the legs, but still bad.

It just looks stupid to strap a person to the front of a mech without an armoured cockpit.

 Ordana wrote:
I think a designer just really has a hard-on for baby carriages.

They had a life changing moment when they saw Dexter Dodgeball

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:

I've said in a few threads now that they seem to clean and almost viable to be a proper sisters unit... A sisters unit should be partially absolutely batS***T and very grimdark. Bigger penitent engines, or dual pilot engines, they shouldn't have a space marine predator either, that should be a massive cannon pushed along by penitents etc, basically medieval siege weapons, bristled with heavy bolters, flamers and meltas.

This is what could be possible:

 Ordana wrote:
It just looks stupid to strap a person to the front of a mech without an armoured cockpit.

*Incredulously stares in Ellen Ripley*

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Ordana wrote:
It just looks stupid to strap a person to the front of a mech without an armoured cockpit.

*Incredulously stares in Ellen Ripley*

Isn't that literally just a cargo hauler though, not military grade equipment?