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Bit early to say.

I mean, nobody is slagging the games off - but did anyone really expect that?

The two up there at the moment are pretty basic affairs, perhaps one step up from How To Play. What we’ll get in the future? We can’t say.

 NAVARRO wrote:
A question for the subscribers what is the overall attitude of Battle reports and painting tuts etc... Is it like "lego everything is awesome" like we have seen on twitch streams?

I really enjoyed both painting videos. They were certainly different to anything GW has produced before, but that doesn't mean different to YouTube content already available.

However, the production value was the highest I've seen and Louise is actually a very good presenter.

The pale skin tutorial was essentially one of Darren Latham's videos but there was some interesting snippets that weren't in his - the 3 warm/cool colour zones on the face for example.

The wet blending one however was, in my opinion, very good and I learnt a lot.

Interesting that she's using a wet palette throughout as well, not something I actually thought we would see on a GW video.

I enjoyed the battle report. An hour is exactly how long I want a report to be, and again the production value was the highest I have seen. The models and terrain were gorgeous which also makes them more appealing.

My biggest gripe though was that it was almost 100% shot from a top down camera angle. I would have preferred some more angles so we could get a sense of the terrain, cover, LoS etc.

There were some nice tactical insights from the players too but I thought they could have gone more in depth.

I also thought the format was very similar to Tabletop Tactics.

Patrick was a regular at my FLGS and is supposedly a very good player and a thoroughly nice chap so I am hoping he gets to go into more detail in upcoming reports.

So in short bith the painting videos and battle reports weren't ground breaking in terms of format and content, but they had high production values and I really enjoyed them. I guess if it's not broken don't fix it.

StraightSilver wrote:


The wet blending one however was, in my opinion, very good and I learnt a lot.

Interesting that she's using a wet palette throughout as well, not something I actually thought we would see on a GW video.

I enjoyed the battle report. An hour is exactly how long I want a report to be, and again the production value was the highest I have seen. The models and terrain were gorgeous which also makes them more appealing.
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Besides wet palette the battle reports had terrain scratch build not available from gw and dice tray gw doesn't sell. So much for battle report terrain just being stock terrain

And yea battle reports were surprisinply decent and easy to follow. I wouldn't pay just for them but does add nice value along rest. With model i want and voucher price for just rest isn't that bad.

Aos suffered from horrible deployment mistake. Not that unreasonable with small armies but still...seemed pretty bad rookie mistake to make.

I'm a bit of a moaner of GW things at times, but I've subbed to W+. Mainly because I already paid for the 40K app and just unsubbed from the useless AoS app (I subbed for my only AoS stuff - Dominion - which isn't in it). When the new AoS app is released, basically for £1 more a month, I get W+ content.

My usual subs payment for the 40k app went out the day before I adjusted the subscription to the W+ app. I figured that was a £1.99 loss, but to my surprise and without asking, GW refunded it the day after subscribing to W+. Not a massive thing, but 'evil' GW could have kept it. A nice touch I thought.

Anyway, my first impressions... I'm not particularly interested in the back catalogue of White Dwarfs (or Visions). I think I've probably had and recycled most issues since Issue 91 back in Summer 1987 (One of the few I hung onto). The WD's I would like to see would be ones from this era. When things like D&D adventures, Traveller RPG scenarios etc were in it. They would be a real treat, but we know that if GW ever went back this far, all non-GW stuff would be removed anyway.

The videos. I enjoyed the face painting masterclass - I've yet to watch the wet blending one. Nothing I suppose that couldn't be found elsewhere on the net, but still good to watch.
The Angels of Death however, was great. I'm really looking forward to the next episode. Great stuff. (Please don't tell me it was a one-off).

I'm just starting the AoS Battle report, looks well filmed and set up so far.

To repeat my summary of Warhammer+?

For the new content we’ll get each month, it’s basically a live action White Dwarf, with the added perk that you don’t need to hunt down back issues.

I think it was a mistake to consider it an Amazon or Netflix rival, or indeed for GW to have kind of presented it as that, as it created incorrect associations in the would be customer base.

I’m enjoying what I’m seeing, and as possibly the most reluctant painter you’ll ever meet (it’s been proven to be easier to get a fussy, over tired toddler to eat their greens than get me to paint), I’m actually kinda tempted to try to replicate the Pale Skin Masterclass.

I'll definetly try to replicte it with my space marines now. Was presented so that i feel i might be able to do it

(then to figure out replicate with other skin tones)

Thanks for the reports and opinions guys It does help us non subscribers to be on the loop and if its worth dip in.

One o the main reasons I stopped looking at GW live streams was that the content was boring and not very well presented at all.
Glad to see they are moving away from that.

I do echo comment about too much top down. Not all but that's something i hope they improve on in future.

It's nothing earthshattering but surprisingly solid. If you just want battle reports something like mwg is better quality and more per month(likely) but there's also rest of stuff. And if you want model and/or was subscriber of 40k app(and felt it was worth it) then i would say this is worth the money.

Now is the time for us to provide feedback.

We are the audience, it’s in our hands

With the 40k battle report, it seemed that some of the voiced parts explaining manoevers and dice rolls were inserted a couple of seconds too late. Nothing too bad but probably something they should look at to keep the events more pleasant to follow.

Having never watched a YT battle report, so had no preconceived notions, I enjoyed the AoS battle report. Production quality was excellent, it went through at a nice pace and didn’t feel slow, explained rules and such nicely and the players were entertaining. Just under an hour runtime worked.

I like many others I am considering this a £15 quid for a year trial. I love the Vindicare and would happy buy it anyway for say £25, and the £10 voucher I’ll put to good use.

MaxT wrote:
Having never watched a YT battle report, so had no preconceived notions, I enjoyed the AoS battle report. Production quality was excellent, it went through at a nice pace and didn’t feel slow, explained rules and such nicely and the players were entertaining. Just under an hour runtime worked.

I like many others I am considering this a £15 quid for a year trial. I love the Vindicare and would happy buy it anyway for say £25, and the £10 voucher I’ll put to good use.

Yup, for me it's $60 less the $16 voucher and $36 for the app subscription. So I'm paying $18 and getting a free model for a 1-year subscription. If I don't like it then I'm good with that choice.

I have to wonder why WH+ doesn't come with a subscription to their Twitch...

Because Twitch is owned by Amazon, which takes a cut of the revenue.

Maybe it's because Warhammer on Twitch is free and has been since late March 2020?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/03/20/warhammer-on-twitch-is-free/

Last time i watched it(mithin month" lt was subscriber only chat.

Pretty sure it was temporal corona thing but as gw been back to reasonably normal so too is subscribtion if you want to chat

tneva82 wrote:
Last time i watched it(mithin month" lt was subscriber only chat.

Pretty sure it was temporal corona thing but as gw been back to reasonably normal so too is subscribtion if you want to chat

Sub-only chat was implemented after the first Twitch preview stream they did because they got spammed by hate messages constantly for near enough the full hour by people that weren't subscribers.
The channel itself and content remain free to view though

Watching twitch streams was free even before that article though...only chat was behind paywall. Well chat and emotes

No I believe they had not only their vods but even their livestreams behind a paywall (a model that an exceptionally low number of Twitch streamers choose, it's pretty much unheard of really, but bizarrely it's what they decided to do). Like, they expected people to pay to see a couple of WD guys chat about how great the latest warhammer releases are while they painted up some genestealers.

Anyone intrigued that Black Library doesn’t get a look-in with this? Thought at first they perhaps are too profitable to give anything away but then they do a Humble Bundle most years. A free ebook each month with maybe some book club content- interview with the author, related lore videos - would round it out nicely.

deano2099 wrote:
Anyone intrigued that Black Library doesn’t get a look-in with this?

My guess is a technical / usability issue. The Warhammer Vault site is incredibly slow to load the books, there's no bookmark feature and the interface is awful (locked down Adobe PDF). I wouldn't want to try to read a novel on it.

I mean GW has been pretty clear that more stuff will be added and advertising every single possible thing is also not a feasible task. If Warhammer + promised 50 different shows then only delivered 30 since 50 was actually an unrealistic goal, the people would rage and whine about being lied to. Better that it's left ambiguous since it can allow the creative team to come up with new ideas if and when the inspiration strikes.

They didn't, as far as I can recall, have livestreams behind a paywall...but they also just didn't do many livestreams period.

deano2099 wrote:
Anyone intrigued that Black Library doesn’t get a look-in with this? Thought at first they perhaps are too profitable to give anything away but then they do a Humble Bundle most years. A free ebook each month with maybe some book club content- interview with the author, related lore videos - would round it out nicely.

In part it might be because most of the BL provisions are made for other systems - eg the ebooks for e-readers and GW wants Warhammer+ to be a subscription service not a purchasing service. So the BL books just might not fit that model for GW. It might also be that it will eat into the profits that the BL books generate which might well harm BL's ability to command resources within GW to put toward further publications. BL works as it is and whilst we might well see some books or audio books appear on Warhammer+; I just don't feel that the BL content has any pressure to be there.


Perhaps we might see some limited release stuff - like the lore and art books - get some exposure there as they are more collector works to start with and BL has always had a more spotty publishing rate with them.

 kodos wrote:
If they go after Battle Reports, it would be for the reason about using 3rd party bits for terrain, models or gameplay without talking about those in the video drectly

in a simple way, GW has their very strict rules for official events and can argue that battle reports that are not going by those rules or making clear that they are using non-GW stuff are hurting their IP/Trademarks

This is also a reason why they would want to remove them
Not only to get people to WH+ but to prevent people from seeing what is available outside the GW Bubble


Why haven't they done it already?
Don't know, as I also don't know why they waited so long to go after 3D File creators
If it would have been important, they could have already done it 3-4 years ago to make a point and being clear what people can and cannot do

It is just that GW is now more active regarding their IP protection than 3 years ago, for whatever reason, so no one knows what they will do next

Could you imagine at the beginning of every single GW game batrep is a 5 min ad for all the cool stuff they are using.
This is the only outcome for something like this.
“GW has sent us a legal letter stating we must tell you that they don’t sell this mat, and that if you want it you have to go here.”
“All the bases are supplied via this website, terrain you get here.”

Do they want to give marketing heart attacks !

JWBS wrote:
No I believe they had not only their vods but even their livestreams behind a paywall (a model that an exceptionally low number of Twitch streamers choose, it's pretty much unheard of really, but bizarrely it's what they decided to do). Like, they expected people to pay to see a couple of WD guys chat about how great the latest warhammer releases are while they painted up some genestealers.

So somehow i hacked their system without even knowing it,? Seeing i watched their streams without paying before that article.

Yo, this is actually affordable in Japan, and tbh the voucher and the assassin (I prefer the store one, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna fork out over 5000 yen for one clampack monopose mini) are pretty attractive tie-ins.
Something I'm really curious, for those of you subbed, is what is the White Dwarf library like? I was assuming they'd have loads of old back issues, which tbh I'd be really interested in, however in the recent promo on Warcom, they were talking about Gathering Storm like they were relics of the past, when... I remember buying them not that long ago (and they weren't that great tbh...) is there more than that, or does the written content really only go back a few years? Cheers!

tneva82 wrote:

JWBS wrote:
No I believe they had not only their vods but even their livestreams behind a paywall (a model that an exceptionally low number of Twitch streamers choose, it's pretty much unheard of really, but bizarrely it's what they decided to do). Like, they expected people to pay to see a couple of WD guys chat about how great the latest warhammer releases are while they painted up some genestealers.

So somehow i hacked their system without even knowing it,? Seeing i watched their streams without paying before that article.

No, you could watch streams without being a subscriber, but before that article you couldn’t watch any past streams later without being a subscriber. Now all their videos are available to watch without subscribing.

 ImAGeek wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

JWBS wrote:
No I believe they had not only their vods but even their livestreams behind a paywall (a model that an exceptionally low number of Twitch streamers choose, it's pretty much unheard of really, but bizarrely it's what they decided to do). Like, they expected people to pay to see a couple of WD guys chat about how great the latest warhammer releases are while they painted up some genestealers.

So somehow i hacked their system without even knowing it,? Seeing i watched their streams without paying before that article.

No, you could watch streams without being a subscriber, but before that article you couldn’t watch any past streams later without being a subscriber. Now all their videos are available to watch without subscribing.

I take my hat to any gentleman going into the adventure of watching those streams though. Probably some of the most boring and quite irritating content on twitch

Have they said anything about any kind of schedule of when and what nee content would be added to Warhammer TV?