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 NAVARRO wrote:
 ImAGeek wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
JWBS wrote:
No I believe they had not only their vods but even their livestreams behind a paywall (a model that an exceptionally low number of Twitch streamers choose, it's pretty much unheard of really, but bizarrely it's what they decided to do). Like, they expected people to pay to see a couple of WD guys chat about how great the latest warhammer releases are while they painted up some genestealers.


So somehow i hacked their system without even knowing it,? Seeing i watched their streams without paying before that article.


No, you could watch streams without being a subscriber, but before that article you couldn’t watch any past streams later without being a subscriber. Now all their videos are available to watch without subscribing.


I take my hat to any gentleman going into the adventure of watching those streams though. Probably some of the most boring and quite irritating content on twitch

To be fair they might be ideal background noise for some people to paint with - not interesting enough to take you eyes from your minis but maybe worth occasionally glancing up at (personally I'd still go with a decent podcast every time though).
   
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JWBS wrote:
 NAVARRO wrote:
 ImAGeek wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
JWBS wrote:
No I believe they had not only their vods but even their livestreams behind a paywall (a model that an exceptionally low number of Twitch streamers choose, it's pretty much unheard of really, but bizarrely it's what they decided to do). Like, they expected people to pay to see a couple of WD guys chat about how great the latest warhammer releases are while they painted up some genestealers.


So somehow i hacked their system without even knowing it,? Seeing i watched their streams without paying before that article.


No, you could watch streams without being a subscriber, but before that article you couldn’t watch any past streams later without being a subscriber. Now all their videos are available to watch without subscribing.


I take my hat to any gentleman going into the adventure of watching those streams though. Probably some of the most boring and quite irritating content on twitch

To be fair they might be ideal background noise for some people to paint with - not interesting enough to take you eyes from your minis but maybe worth occasionally glancing up at (personally I'd still go with a decent podcast every time though).


It was fun in the early days. Wade was really the lynchpin – he brought high-energy to every stream and was often the one who focused on making the audio content worth listening to by reading old lore bits and throwing comments to the panel. I've dipped in more recently and they do a better job of showing the painting but the chemistry is just not there.
   
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I wonder what are the revenue expectation and the dead point for warhammer+ ?

Id be surprised if they manage to have more than a 50k subscribers (but what do i know)

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 streetsamurai wrote:
I wonder what are the revenue expectation and the dead point for warhammer+ ?

Id be surprised if they manage to have more than a 50k subscribers (but what do i know)


They would have been crazy to budget that high.

But unless they got something crazy in the works, they probably only need about 5000 subs a month. Right now they probably pushing out a bit extra, but a lot of the content they can do in house as part of other things as well to spread costs.
Hosting is pricy, but there are affordable options there as well nowadays and it is way less effort to scale up and down on demand than it was in the passed.
   
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Just had an idea of some easy win content for Warhammer+ for GW. Have all the model kit instructions in PDF, being able to look at some model kit instructions would make conversions easier, as well as obviously lost instructions and also stop the hassle of trawling the internet for them. It would also allow GW to make some money from the 2nd hand market.

It won't be mega popular, but it adds value, which is where they will struggle to justify for a while if their content is slow to build up.

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Not bad idea, easy to do and it's not like gw tries to hide them as srmple email to gw gets them already.

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Apple fox wrote:
 streetsamurai wrote:
I wonder what are the revenue expectation and the dead point for warhammer+ ?

Id be surprised if they manage to have more than a 50k subscribers (but what do i know)


They would have been crazy to budget that high.

But unless they got something crazy in the works, they probably only need about 5000 subs a month. Right now they probably pushing out a bit extra, but a lot of the content they can do in house as part of other things as well to spread costs.
Hosting is pricy, but there are affordable options there as well nowadays and it is way less effort to scale up and down on demand than it was in the passed.


To be honest 5k sounds way lower than it’ll be. You have to remember how many people are in the hobby. And particularly how many once you look past the complainers of forums and stuff.

Maybe 50k could be a bit high, I’m not sure, but I think it’ll be nearer that than 5k..
   
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The live (free) preview shows got in excess of 40,000 viewers as a live show. the dominion preview has 538k+ views and the 40K codex preview 590k since the initial broadcast (probably a lot of repeat views on both). The YouTube channel has 492k subs (again free) with the highest viewed video at 3.9 million views (40K 9th Ed cinematic trailer). Hard to tell how all that translates into paid subs though. There are plenty of GW Twitch streams with less than 1,000 views.

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Danny76 wrote:
Apple fox wrote:
 streetsamurai wrote:
I wonder what are the revenue expectation and the dead point for warhammer+ ?

Id be surprised if they manage to have more than a 50k subscribers (but what do i know)


They would have been crazy to budget that high.

But unless they got something crazy in the works, they probably only need about 5000 subs a month. Right now they probably pushing out a bit extra, but a lot of the content they can do in house as part of other things as well to spread costs.
Hosting is pricy, but there are affordable options there as well nowadays and it is way less effort to scale up and down on demand than it was in the passed.


To be honest 5k sounds way lower than it’ll be. You have to remember how many people are in the hobby. And particularly how many once you look past the complainers of forums and stuff.

Maybe 50k could be a bit high, I’m not sure, but I think it’ll be nearer that than 5k..


Not that I know a whole lot about animation and producing video costs, but 25K a month doesn't sound like it would cover the costs for Angels of Death, let alone everything else.

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 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Danny76 wrote:
Apple fox wrote:
 streetsamurai wrote:
I wonder what are the revenue expectation and the dead point for warhammer+ ?

Id be surprised if they manage to have more than a 50k subscribers (but what do i know)


They would have been crazy to budget that high.

But unless they got something crazy in the works, they probably only need about 5000 subs a month. Right now they probably pushing out a bit extra, but a lot of the content they can do in house as part of other things as well to spread costs.
Hosting is pricy, but there are affordable options there as well nowadays and it is way less effort to scale up and down on demand than it was in the passed.


To be honest 5k sounds way lower than it’ll be. You have to remember how many people are in the hobby. And particularly how many once you look past the complainers of forums and stuff.

Maybe 50k could be a bit high, I’m not sure, but I think it’ll be nearer that than 5k..


Not that I know a whole lot about animation and producing video costs, but 25K a month doesn't sound like it would cover the costs for Angels of Death, let alone everything else.


ANimation is indeed expensive!

Creative Humans, an industrial rep website, has the following information:
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Animation can be a truly magical way to get your message across. It is the perfect way to engage your audience and present information in a clear and entertaining way. There are so many different styles of animation that you can tap into, from infographics and character animation to explainer videos and telling stories with exciting, out-of-this-world characters and visuals.

But how much does animation cost? If you’ve been sending out requests for quotes for animation, you’ve likely received a wide range of prices. So how do you know what you should expect to pay to receive a great looking final video? The bottom line is that this is a tricky question to answer. There are many factors involved that can impact the cost of animation. In this post, we’ll walk you through some of the key factors that can influence animated video production cost and show you some examples in various price ranges so you can know what to expect.

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Animation Costs
With so many factors involved that can impact the final price, it’s not easy to nail down an average cost for animation. Two videos of the same length could have wildly different prices depending on the style of animation being used, how fluid and refined the animation looks, and the level of expertise of the artist working on the spot. That said, here are some basic price ranges you can expect for a one-minute animated video:

- $3,000-$7,000 Per Minute. Videos in this price range would be considered low budget. You should expect to get some very simple 2D animation. Animation at this level is very basic, the fluidity of the movements are often a little jerky looking, and the characters unrefined. The artist may use stock elements to keep costs low. Be aware that, for projects with smaller budgets, the studio may not offer services like scripting, voice over and music. Those might be considered add on costs.

- $10,000-$20,000 Per Minute. This price range is the minimum for a professionally produced animated video. At this rate, the animation studio will deliver scripting, voice over, art direction, character animation, advanced transitions, and more.

- $20,000-$50,000 Per Minute. In this range, animation studios will deliver high quality videos that can incorporate more advanced animation effects. This is also the price range where 3D animation begins to become feasible.

- $50,000-$100,000+ Per Minute. Around $50,000 is when you can begin to expect broadcast quality production values. These projects hold nothing back, with the studios often providing full animation services from concept development and scripting to 2D/3D animation, advanced lighting effects, and more.

Scroll down to see some visual examples of animated videos in various price ranges from Creative Humans!



Key Factors Influencing Animation Cost
As we mentioned, there are many factors involved that influence the final cost of your animation project. Let’s take a look:

1. Animation Style
The style of animation is another important consideration when determining cost. The more time consuming and refined the animation, the more expensive it is going to cost you. Here’s what you need to know:

- 2D Animation. 2D animation is generally going to be the most affordable style of animation offered. It’s less time consuming than stop motion or 3D animation. Within 2D animation, typography and graphic vector style is more affordable, while shaded or character hand-inked animation is more costly.

- Illustration. Illustration is a visual explanation of a text. The designer will take your script and interpretation of a text in his/her vision. An illustrator often produces the imagery themselves as opposed to a graphic designer who will use other tools such as images, graphic forms, and words to relay her message to the viewer.

- Motion Graphics (Typography and Animated Logos). This style can be both 2D and 3D, and you'll see examples everywhere in commercials, explainer videos, sporting events, the news and other TV productions. Character animation is generally outside the scope of motion graphics, but many of the core animation principles apply to motion graphics too.

- Infographics. Infographics are graphic visual representations of information, data, or knowledge intended to present information quickly and clearly. This style is often used to help break down big data and make it more easily understood. Financial institutions and government agencies are often a fan of this style of work.

- Stop Motion Animation (Claymation, Cutouts, Action Figures, Puppets). Stop motion is a fun and playful way to tell your story. It involves the artist taking physical items, like toys for example, and moving them and photographing them frame by frame. The costs will vary based upon what is being animated. For instance, if the item needs to be built from scratch out of clay, that will cost more than if the item is pre-built, like a toy race car or a cutout of an image. The price to produce a stop motion video can range from anywhere from 15k-150k. See examples here.

- 3D Animation. 3D animation is a very impressive style of animation. The good news is that as the technology behind the animation has been improving, the costs have been dropping. Simple product renderings are less expensive, while character models and Disney/Pixar style 3D animation run on the high end. The price to produce an animated 3D video can range from anywhere from 10k-300k. See examples here.

2. Services Requested
Many professional animation studios will offer services beyond simply animating your video. These may include:

- Concepting & Strategy. Do you have an idea for your video already, or will you be relying on the studio to produce the concept and strategy for your project?

- Scripting & Storyboarding. Do you have a script, or does it need to be written? If not, that can add to the cost of your video. Similarly, storyboarding can be a resource-intensive task requiring the involvement of a creative director, concept artist, and illustrators.

- Voice Over. Professional voice talent and recording will add to your video cost. Of course, you always want to ensure your videos will feature high quality audio.

- Music & Sound Effects. Creating custom soundtracks or purchasing rights to music can be costly. If you’re hoping to save money, ask your studio about your stock music and sound effect options.

Depending on where you are in the production process, you may or may not need some of these services. Of course, the more services requested from the animation studio, the greater the ultimate cost of your video.

3. Video Length & Timeline
The length of your video also will greatly impact the price. Keep in mind that most animation projects are priced by the second. The longer your video, the more expensive it will become. The shorter it is, the less expensive it will be.

In addition to the length of your video, another factor that can impact animation cost is your timeline or expected deadline. The tighter your requested turnaround, the more expensive your video can become—especially if you need the studio to rush the project faster than their typical turnaround time.

4. Revisions
While most studios will have some revisions priced into the project, change requests beyond key stages in your project will likely add to your cost:

- Concepting, Scripting & Audio. Requesting changes after scripting and voice over work has been completed will increase the cost of your video, as voice over talent will need to be brought back to perform the new script.

- Animatics, Styleframes & Characters. Likewise, requesting changes after styleframes and character models have been finalized will increase your cost.

- Production. At this stage, all concepting and styling should be finalized. The animation studio will be actively illustrating your assets. Asset change requests at this stage can increase the cost of your video prior to animation.

The further along you are in the production process when you request changes, the more costly your revisions can be. If possible, ensure you are happy with a script before moving forward with voiceover. The same goes for character concepts and styleframes. Once production begins, it will be more costly for you to make changes.

Examples from Creative Humans
To help you visualize animation cost in various price ranges, here are some examples from vetted studios within the Creative Humans network:

Novalins Translation Video


$9,000 - $12,000

Tickera


$10,000 - $15,000

Salt Studios Tiffany Charms CG Animation
https://vimeo.com/444629984
$10,000 - $15,000

KAsra Design "The Story of Our Workflow" (1m25s)


$12,000 - $16,000

NYC Taxi and Bus Commission (1m28s)


$25,000 - $30,000

Apogee


$32,000 - $51,000

Sogy Flakes - CG


$30,000 - $50,000

Pup Star World Titles


$30,000 - $50,000

Anymotion 2019 Trailer


$60,000 - $72,000

Scarlett Animated Short


$75,000 - $85,000

Jamba Juice "A Universe of Possibilities" Advertisement (36s)


$185,000 - $205,000



These are industrial quotes. Of course short films has a bigger front end in terms of asset creation used over a relatively short time, whereas a longform series will repeatedly use those assets (if CG). Still this does suggest just how expensive Angels of Death and even Hammer and Bolter are. These do not come cheap!

Another useful point of comparison, from a fan site, perhaps less accurate



How Much It Cost To Make A Cartoon Show

So we are going to talk about the cost of series episodes versus animated movies like the ones Disney used to make.

The number I am going to give you here apply to all companies such as Disney, Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network and other animation studios.

To create a cartoon show you need a script, character design (concept art), a storyboard, animation and finally the voice actors. So the budget applies to all these things necessary to make the show come to life. The average cost for a cartoon show like Steven Universe, American Dragon, Cat Dog, Cow and Chicken, Hey Arnold , The Fairy Odd Parents, its $300,000 to $600,000 per episode.

The smaller the budget, the smaller the team that works on it and of course, the bigger the budget the bigger the team. So lets say, for the production of Hey Arnold, if the show is given $400,000 per episode then that budget is spread through the production team. Now of course with a budget of $400K the team is going to be much smaller. So regularly you will have a lead animator and then you will have 3 other animators working on the show. The average salary for animators is $60,000. So with three people that is $180,000 pent. Now the voice actors are paid handsomely (surprise). Most voice actors make $80,000 to $100,000 per year. A voice actor easily makes $10,000 per episode of a cartoon. Lets also not forget the sound effect editor, the story board artist and the people who color everything.

As you can see, that money goes down quickly and this is only with a small team. Now lets look at how much it cost for a bigger project or popular show.

One of my favorite American Cartoons is Avatar The Last Airbender by Nickelodeon (it should really be categorized as an anime). A popular show like Avatar the last Airbender could easily cost $2 million per episode. So a 14 episode season would equal to $28 million spent on the show. That is a lot of money. This should would need a team of 7 animators working on it.

How long does it take to make a cartoon or animated show?

So the average animator takes about 8 hours (of their shift) to make a 60 second animation of a cartoon show. 60 seconds equals 1 minute. Therefore if an animator works the average 40 hours per week he can make 5 minutes of a cartoon per week. So it takes about a whole month to make an episode. The more complex the animation the longer it takes.


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 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Just had an idea of some easy win content for Warhammer+ for GW. Have all the model kit instructions in PDF, being able to look at some model kit instructions would make conversions easier, as well as obviously lost instructions and also stop the hassle of trawling the internet for them. It would also allow GW to make some money from the 2nd hand market.

It won't be mega popular, but it adds value, which is where they will struggle to justify for a while if their content is slow to build up.


that's a horriable idea, GW right now will happily send you the instructions for free as a PDF if you send them an email. charging for it? uuugh

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 DaveC wrote:
The live (free) preview shows got in excess of 40,000 viewers as a live show. the dominion preview has 538k+ views and the 40K codex preview 590k since the initial broadcast (probably a lot of repeat views on both). The YouTube channel has 492k subs (again free) with the highest viewed video at 3.9 million views (40K 9th Ed cinematic trailer). Hard to tell how all that translates into paid subs though. There are plenty of GW Twitch streams with less than 1,000 views.


Hard to say really because the paying wall does make a difference here.

Live casual free twitch streams are for the most part empty.
You tube the repeat numbers dont give an accurate perspective of time and numbers etc.

Personally I think GW will have good numbers on Warhammer+ though, specially on first months but its going to depend if the updates are worth it and the if subs stay for more than 1 month or are replaced with new subs.
The fact the content is low atm because they are starting does not help here, but give it a year to see where it goes.


   
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BrianDavion wrote:
 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Just had an idea of some easy win content for Warhammer+ for GW. Have all the model kit instructions in PDF, being able to look at some model kit instructions would make conversions easier, as well as obviously lost instructions and also stop the hassle of trawling the internet for them. It would also allow GW to make some money from the 2nd hand market.

It won't be mega popular, but it adds value, which is where they will struggle to justify for a while if their content is slow to build up.


that's a horriable idea, GW right now will happily send you the instructions for free as a PDF if you send them an email. charging for it? uuugh


Did he say it would replace current system? No. Stop puttrng words on his mouth.

You would get benefit of having instruction RIGHT NOW as subscriber rather than wait for day(s). Not that bad if you were planning something and realize you need instructions. Could save close to a week depending on time you realize you need it(friday eveking...) and how busy gw is. I have waited 3 days before for instructions.

For gw would also reduce burden for customer service while not really losing anything, of course better would be available say on product page but little perk for subscribers in addition to current isn't horrible.

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tneva82 wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Just had an idea of some easy win content for Warhammer+ for GW. Have all the model kit instructions in PDF, being able to look at some model kit instructions would make conversions easier, as well as obviously lost instructions and also stop the hassle of trawling the internet for them. It would also allow GW to make some money from the 2nd hand market.

It won't be mega popular, but it adds value, which is where they will struggle to justify for a while if their content is slow to build up.


that's a horriable idea, GW right now will happily send you the instructions for free as a PDF if you send them an email. charging for it? uuugh


Did he say it would replace current system? No. Stop puttrng words on his mouth.

You would get benefit of having instruction RIGHT NOW as subscriber rather than wait for day(s). Not that bad if you were planning something and realize you need instructions. Could save close to a week depending on time you realize you need it(friday eveking...) and how busy gw is. I have waited 3 days before for instructions.

For gw would also reduce burden for customer service while not really losing anything, of course better would be available say on product page but little perk for subscribers in addition to current isn't horrible.


nah I'm just savvy eneugh to know that in a situation like that a company is gonna stop giving the goods away for free

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BrianDavion wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Just had an idea of some easy win content for Warhammer+ for GW. Have all the model kit instructions in PDF, being able to look at some model kit instructions would make conversions easier, as well as obviously lost instructions and also stop the hassle of trawling the internet for them. It would also allow GW to make some money from the 2nd hand market.

It won't be mega popular, but it adds value, which is where they will struggle to justify for a while if their content is slow to build up.


that's a horriable idea, GW right now will happily send you the instructions for free as a PDF if you send them an email. charging for it? uuugh


Did he say it would replace current system? No. Stop puttrng words on his mouth.

You would get benefit of having instruction RIGHT NOW as subscriber rather than wait for day(s). Not that bad if you were planning something and realize you need instructions. Could save close to a week depending on time you realize you need it(friday eveking...) and how busy gw is. I have waited 3 days before for instructions.

For gw would also reduce burden for customer service while not really losing anything, of course better would be available say on product page but little perk for subscribers in addition to current isn't horrible.


nah I'm just savvy eneugh to know that in a situation like that a company is gonna stop giving the goods away for free


Criticising GW for something you’ve totally invented them possibly doing in the future. Dakka at its finest.
   
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 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Just had an idea of some easy win content for Warhammer+ for GW. Have all the model kit instructions in PDF, being able to look at some model kit instructions would make conversions easier, as well as obviously lost instructions and also stop the hassle of trawling the internet for them. It would also allow GW to make some money from the 2nd hand market.

It won't be mega popular, but it adds value, which is where they will struggle to justify for a while if their content is slow to build up.


that's a horriable idea, GW right now will happily send you the instructions for free as a PDF if you send them an email. charging for it? uuugh


Did he say it would replace current system? No. Stop puttrng words on his mouth.

You would get benefit of having instruction RIGHT NOW as subscriber rather than wait for day(s). Not that bad if you were planning something and realize you need instructions. Could save close to a week depending on time you realize you need it(friday eveking...) and how busy gw is. I have waited 3 days before for instructions.

For gw would also reduce burden for customer service while not really losing anything, of course better would be available say on product page but little perk for subscribers in addition to current isn't horrible.


nah I'm just savvy eneugh to know that in a situation like that a company is gonna stop giving the goods away for free


Criticising GW for something you’ve totally invented them possibly doing in the future. Dakka at its finest.



nah more like noting that having two options one locked behind a paywall the other free creates a sitruation where is is desirable to make the free option as bad as possiable if not the outright removal of it. I get the idea just I think it'd create a preverse incentive for GW to make their customer support or lesser quality

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 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Just had an idea of some easy win content for Warhammer+ for GW. Have all the model kit instructions in PDF, being able to look at some model kit instructions would make conversions easier, as well as obviously lost instructions and also stop the hassle of trawling the internet for them. It would also allow GW to make some money from the 2nd hand market.

It won't be mega popular, but it adds value, which is where they will struggle to justify for a while if their content is slow to build up.

Why not take the instructions out of the boxes completely and just let you download the pdfs from WHPlus?
Holy hell, nothing like taking what should've been free to begin with and asking the company to hide it behind a paywall.
   
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I wish they'd just upload old codexs and battletomes. Sure, the rules aren't good, but the fluff would be fun to read through
   
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The "free" episode of Hammer and Bolter was not very good. Episodes 1 and 2, however; are really good. I assume they used the Ork episode as the free-view because of all the new Ork stuff we are seeing.

I have fairly high hopes for WH+ and am not bummed that I am subscribed for the year...yet.
   
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Hobby Night just finished a live stream about the channel and what it actually contains.

Sadly there really isn't enough on WH+ to justify the asking price.

Casual gaming, mostly solo-coop these days.

 
   
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Cronch wrote:
 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Just had an idea of some easy win content for Warhammer+ for GW. Have all the model kit instructions in PDF, being able to look at some model kit instructions would make conversions easier, as well as obviously lost instructions and also stop the hassle of trawling the internet for them. It would also allow GW to make some money from the 2nd hand market.

It won't be mega popular, but it adds value, which is where they will struggle to justify for a while if their content is slow to build up.

Why not take the instructions out of the boxes completely and just let you download the pdfs from WHPlus?
Holy hell, nothing like taking what should've been free to begin with and asking the company to hide it behind a paywall.


I think what endlesswaltz123 was talking about was something like the old annual, where GW would give a full parts breakdown of each kit and hence "make conversions easier". The old annuals were great for that, I'd spend hours just flicking through looking for different bits to use in conversions.

It's not like you really need instruction manuals to make 99% of GW's models anyway, a few of the vehicles which have internal components maybe, but usually it's pretty easy to see what goes where.


   
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Cronch wrote:
 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Just had an idea of some easy win content for Warhammer+ for GW. Have all the model kit instructions in PDF, being able to look at some model kit instructions would make conversions easier, as well as obviously lost instructions and also stop the hassle of trawling the internet for them. It would also allow GW to make some money from the 2nd hand market.

It won't be mega popular, but it adds value, which is where they will struggle to justify for a while if their content is slow to build up.

Why not take the instructions out of the boxes completely and just let you download the pdfs from WHPlus?
Holy hell, nothing like taking what should've been free to begin with and asking the company to hide it behind a paywall.


Why not take something somebody said, pretend they said something totally different and then whine about the thing they didn’t actually say?
   
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 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
Cronch wrote:
 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Just had an idea of some easy win content for Warhammer+ for GW. Have all the model kit instructions in PDF, being able to look at some model kit instructions would make conversions easier, as well as obviously lost instructions and also stop the hassle of trawling the internet for them. It would also allow GW to make some money from the 2nd hand market.

It won't be mega popular, but it adds value, which is where they will struggle to justify for a while if their content is slow to build up.

Why not take the instructions out of the boxes completely and just let you download the pdfs from WHPlus?
Holy hell, nothing like taking what should've been free to begin with and asking the company to hide it behind a paywall.


Why not take something somebody said, pretend they said something totally different and then whine about the thing they didn’t actually say?


Dakka got to be dakka

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SamusDrake wrote:
Hobby Night just finished a live stream about the channel and what it actually contains.

Sadly there really isn't enough on WH+ to justify the asking price.


Fortunately you're wrong. There is enough to justify the very low asking price.
   
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 Plant wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
Hobby Night just finished a live stream about the channel and what it actually contains.

Sadly there really isn't enough on WH+ to justify the asking price.


Fortunately you're wrong. There is enough to justify the very low asking price.


Opinions differ my dude.

Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?

Hey look! It’s my 2025 Hobby Log/Blog/Project/Whatevs 
   
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People will be selling the Vindicare and Orruk boss on eBay for close £60. Not only will this be unsurprising, I'd be surprised if it didn't happen, so it's essentially free for anyone that can be bothered to resell the mini.
   
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 Plant wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
Hobby Night just finished a live stream about the channel and what it actually contains.

Sadly there really isn't enough on WH+ to justify the asking price.


Fortunately you're wrong. There is enough to justify the very low asking price.


Fortunately whether it's worth it or not is subjective and thus there's no right or wrong.

2024 painted/bought: 109/109 
   
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 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
Cronch wrote:
 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Just had an idea of some easy win content for Warhammer+ for GW. Have all the model kit instructions in PDF, being able to look at some model kit instructions would make conversions easier, as well as obviously lost instructions and also stop the hassle of trawling the internet for them. It would also allow GW to make some money from the 2nd hand market.

It won't be mega popular, but it adds value, which is where they will struggle to justify for a while if their content is slow to build up.

Why not take the instructions out of the boxes completely and just let you download the pdfs from WHPlus?
Holy hell, nothing like taking what should've been free to begin with and asking the company to hide it behind a paywall.


Why not take something somebody said, pretend they said something totally different and then whine about the thing they didn’t actually say?

They said they want GW to put pdf manuals behind a paywall. Unsurprisingly, I think a) gw not providing instructions in pdf on their product pages is already a trash move, b) putting anything behind a paywall is a trash move, but putting something like instructions behind a paywall is scummy. It adds zero new value.
I cannot for the life of me understand how people, on their own, willingly, come up with such anti-consumer ideas to "propose" to GW.

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