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Cronch wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

Cronch wrote:

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Just had an idea of some easy win content for Warhammer+ for GW. Have all the model kit instructions in PDF, being able to look at some model kit instructions would make conversions easier, as well as obviously lost instructions and also stop the hassle of trawling the internet for them. It would also allow GW to make some money from the 2nd hand market.

It won't be mega popular, but it adds value, which is where they will struggle to justify for a while if their content is slow to build up.

Why not take the instructions out of the boxes completely and just let you download the pdfs from WHPlus?
Holy hell, nothing like taking what should've been free to begin with and asking the company to hide it behind a paywall.

Why not take something somebody said, pretend they said something totally different and then whine about the thing they didn’t actually say?

They said they want GW to put pdf manuals behind a paywall. Unsurprisingly, I think a) gw not providing instructions in pdf on their product pages is already a trash move, b) putting anything behind a paywall is a trash move, but putting something like instructions behind a paywall is scummy. It adds zero new value.
I cannot for the life of me understand how people, on their own, willingly, come up with such anti-consumer ideas to "propose" to GW.

They said they wanted pdf manuals on Warhammer+. They didn’t not say they should only be on Warhammer+. You invented that part and pretended that’s what they meant.

I’d hoped for some more new content, but interested in the Masterclass, as it’s more game specific than general painting techniques.

 Plant wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Hobby Night just finished a live stream about the channel and what it actually contains.

Sadly there really isn't enough on WH+ to justify the asking price.

Fortunately you're wrong. There is enough to justify the very low asking price.

If you feel that the content currently provided is bang enough for your buck then go right ahead and sign up, if you haven't already.

If you have one of their products, it would be pretty crap of GW to not allow you a set of the instructions. So no, I'm not suggesting they stop doing that.

However as an added benefit to subscribers, they could just jump on and get hold of the instructions they want, or allow them to have a look at a kit they potentially may want to buy.

If it was put directly on the GW website where the kit is, perfect, I'd take that as well. I just want easy access to the instructions as you get a better idea for how certain bits work or are shaped than just looking at a sprue.

It costs them nothing to put up PDF instructions on the website, there's other gaming companies which have no issue with that, I see no reason why that should be paywalled as a premium service. And yes, if they put it on WH+ they sure as hell won't put it up on the main site cause...why would they, when you just proven you'd pay money for that?

 DaveC wrote:
Next week - very light on the animation content

On any content, since, didn't one of the youtube channels they took down have a video on painting black power armor?

Cronch wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

Cronch wrote:

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Just had an idea of some easy win content for Warhammer+ for GW. Have all the model kit instructions in PDF, being able to look at some model kit instructions would make conversions easier, as well as obviously lost instructions and also stop the hassle of trawling the internet for them. It would also allow GW to make some money from the 2nd hand market.

It won't be mega popular, but it adds value, which is where they will struggle to justify for a while if their content is slow to build up.

Why not take the instructions out of the boxes completely and just let you download the pdfs from WHPlus?
Holy hell, nothing like taking what should've been free to begin with and asking the company to hide it behind a paywall.

Why not take something somebody said, pretend they said something totally different and then whine about the thing they didn’t actually say?

They said they want GW to put pdf manuals behind a paywall. Unsurprisingly, I think a) gw not providing instructions in pdf on their product pages is already a trash move, b) putting anything behind a paywall is a trash move, but putting something like instructions behind a paywall is scummy. It adds zero new value.
I cannot for the life of me understand how people, on their own, willingly, come up with such anti-consumer ideas to "propose" to GW.

Nobody said however they would be only behind paywall.

It would be just like now except subscribers get additional tiny perk. Yes on product page would be better but non-subscribers wouldn't be worse than now. They want instructions, they would still get it. For free.

Reading comprehension

SamusDrake wrote:

If you feel that the content currently provided is bang enough for your buck then go right ahead and sign up, if you haven't already.

5 quid for what’s on offer in week 1, I’d agree with you. Effectively £15 for an entire year of content, I’m willing to give it a go.


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 redux wrote:
The "free" episode of Hammer and Bolter was not very good. Episodes 1 and 2, however; are really good. I assume they used the Ork episode as the free-view because of all the new Ork stuff we are seeing.

I have fairly high hopes for WH+ and am not bummed that I am subscribed for the year...yet.

I agree with your assessment, although I enjoyed old bale eye it was the weakest of the 3. Episode 1 was excellent.

SamusDrake wrote:

 Plant wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Hobby Night just finished a live stream about the channel and what it actually contains.

Sadly there really isn't enough on WH+ to justify the asking price.

Fortunately you're wrong. There is enough to justify the very low asking price.

If you feel that the content currently provided is bang enough for your buck then go right ahead and sign up, if you haven't already.

Obviously I have already subscribed as I wouldn't make such a sweeping statement regarding the value proposition otherwise.

 Plant wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:

 Plant wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Hobby Night just finished a live stream about the channel and what it actually contains.

Sadly there really isn't enough on WH+ to justify the asking price.

Fortunately you're wrong. There is enough to justify the very low asking price.

If you feel that the content currently provided is bang enough for your buck then go right ahead and sign up, if you haven't already.

Obviously I have already subscribed as I wouldn't make such a sweeping statement regarding the value proposition otherwise.

Saying it is or isn't worth the asking price is totally subjective, regardless of whether or not you have subscribed.

tneva82 wrote:

Nobody said however they would be only behind paywall.

It would be just like now except subscribers get additional tiny perk. Yes on product page would be better but non-subscribers wouldn't be worse than now. They want instructions, they would still get it. For free.

Reading comprehension

If you put something on WHPlus, it's behind a paywall. As it's not currently on the website, it would become a paywalled feature, just like the animations. Normal people still wouldn't have access to it, and essentially you hope that GW wouldn't just go "oh, you e-mailed for instructions, well they're available on WHPlus, lucky you" when someone requested one.

It's a feature that exists for free for most other wargaming companies, and you would want GW to monetize it, and hope GW would keep it free for those who don't subscribe too.
I think it's short-sighted, actively anti-customer as it gatekeeps something that really should be publicly available and just asking to be taken advantage of by the Corporate Daddy.

I'm also going to drop the subject now, because it's clear you don't see the issue and I doubt you will after this post either. GW is lucky to have such devoted consumers as you.

 Plant wrote:

Obviously I have already subscribed as I wouldn't make such a sweeping statement regarding the value proposition otherwise.

Okay...

On a more positive note, what did you enjoy most about WH+?

SamusDrake wrote:

 Plant wrote:

Obviously I have already subscribed as I wouldn't make such a sweeping statement regarding the value proposition otherwise.

Okay...

On a more positive note, what did you enjoy most about WH+?

I thought hammer and bolter 1+3 were very good and really enjoyed the blood angel animation.
I haven't read any of the gathering storm books so reading thos in vault has been good.
I'm not a massive fan of the battle reports, but that's mostly because I prefer my games to be a little less serious than these guys present as.
Overall certainly worth less than the cost of a pint each month.

 Plant wrote:

I thought hammer and bolter 1+3 were very good and really enjoyed the blood angel animation.

I had to admit that Old Bale Eye was entertaining, even if it was lacking in frames. Deep down the Orks are the heart and soul of Warhammer, and can always have a laugh with them.

Only seen a few minutes of Angels of Death but that was pretty good. While the focus has been on Old Bale Eye recently, its worth keeping in mind that AOD was showcased previously and is hard to knock.

Just watched Death's Hand and thoroughly enjoyed it.

Should've mentioned why WH+ does not unlock Twitch chat, and I remember that some really old content was behind a paywall.

Cronch wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Nobody said however they would be only behind paywall.

It would be just like now except subscribers get additional tiny perk. Yes on product page would be better but non-subscribers wouldn't be worse than now. They want instructions, they would still get it. For free.

Reading comprehension

If you put something on WHPlus, it's behind a paywall. As it's not currently on the website, it would become a paywalled feature, just like the animations. Normal people still wouldn't have access to it, and essentially you hope that GW wouldn't just go "oh, you e-mailed for instructions, well they're available on WHPlus, lucky you" when someone requested one.

It's a feature that exists for free for most other wargaming companies, and you would want GW to monetize it, and hope GW would keep it free for those who don't subscribe too.
I think it's short-sighted, actively anti-customer as it gatekeeps something that really should be publicly available and just asking to be taken advantage of by the Corporate Daddy.

I'm also going to drop the subject now, because it's clear you don't see the issue and I doubt you will after this post either. GW is lucky to have such devoted consumers as you.

This wasn’t about being a devoted customer or defending GW. It was about can you make a reasonable point without the ludicrous hyperbole of, why don’t they just stop putting the instruction in the box and make you download them from W+? or deliberately misrepresenting what someone has said.

You can. You just did. I agree with pretty much most of what you just said, but you back-pedalled hard to get to this reasonable point. Now, does that feel better?

Cronch wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Nobody said however they would be only behind paywall.

It would be just like now except subscribers get additional tiny perk. Yes on product page would be better but non-subscribers wouldn't be worse than now. They want instructions, they would still get it. For free.

Reading comprehension

If you put something on WHPlus, it's behind a paywall. As it's not currently on the website, it would become a paywalled feature, just like the animations. Normal people still wouldn't have access to it, and essentially you hope that GW wouldn't just go "oh, you e-mailed for instructions, well they're available on WHPlus, lucky you" when someone requested one.

It's a feature that exists for free for most other wargaming companies, and you would want GW to monetize it, and hope GW would keep it free for those who don't subscribe too.
I think it's short-sighted, actively anti-customer as it gatekeeps something that really should be publicly available and just asking to be taken advantage of by the Corporate Daddy.

I'm also going to drop the subject now, because it's clear you don't see the issue and I doubt you will after this post either. GW is lucky to have such devoted consumers as you.

It would be both behind and out of paywall.

How hard is it to grasp? You don't need to pay to get them. Send email, get them. Just like now.

There would be zero negative change to current. Everybody has free access to them straight from gw. EVERYBODY CAN GET THEM FOR FREE. How hard is that to understand? It's not really behind paywall when you get them for free straight from producer.

I recommend going for school for class "reading english for beginners". Might be usefull.

Would be nice if you were to man up and admit you were wrong but guess too much to expect eh?

 Plant wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:

 Plant wrote:

Obviously I have already subscribed as I wouldn't make such a sweeping statement regarding the value proposition otherwise.

Okay...

On a more positive note, what did you enjoy most about WH+?

I thought hammer and bolter 1+3 were very good and really enjoyed the blood angel animation.
I haven't read any of the gathering storm books so reading thos in vault has been good.
I'm not a massive fan of the battle reports, but that's mostly because I prefer my games to be a little less serious than these guys present as.
Overall certainly worth less than the cost of a pint each month.

So your saying a couple short animations are worth a pint? Which is fair for you, but some would rather just have that pint instead. Nothing wrong or for the matter right with that, its called personal choices.

tneva82 wrote:


How hard is it to grasp? You don't need to pay to get them. Send email, get them. Just like now.

What is it like.... 1998?
You pay with the time of both writing an awkward email and waiting for the reply.

Comprehend that one before you insult people.

I'll give you an english lesson.
In ENGLISH we call this concept "dragging your feet".

GW is literally dragging its feet with by not providing a basic and standard service of providing reference materials eg., MANUALS AND INSTRUCTIONS.

I agree they should be up on their page instead of having to mail them, but I'd rather have those on a non-paywalled page for everyone to access without fuss instead of only for W+ subscribers and keeping the way it is for regular clients.

 Albertorius wrote:
I agree they should be up on their page instead of having to mail them, but I'd rather have those on a non-paywalled page for everyone to access without fuss instead of only for W+ subscribers and keeping the way it is for regular clients.

It should be consumer law for companies to provide manuals and supporting reference material for products and goods.


Does games workshop even provide MSDS for its various chemical products?

 GoldenHorde wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
I agree they should be up on their page instead of having to mail them, but I'd rather have those on a non-paywalled page for everyone to access without fuss instead of only for W+ subscribers and keeping the way it is for regular clients.

It should be consumer law for companies to provide manuals and supporting reference material for products and goods.


Does games workshop even provide MSDS for its various chemical products?

That is a legal requirement in the UK and GW meet it by providing the manuals in the box, and by providing replacements on request.

 GoldenHorde wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
I agree they should be up on their page instead of having to mail them, but I'd rather have those on a non-paywalled page for everyone to access without fuss instead of only for W+ subscribers and keeping the way it is for regular clients.

It should be consumer law for companies to provide manuals and supporting reference material for products and goods.


Does games workshop even provide MSDS for its various chemical products?

You know the instructions come in the kits right?

 Jadenim wrote:

 GoldenHorde wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
I agree they should be up on their page instead of having to mail them, but I'd rather have those on a non-paywalled page for everyone to access without fuss instead of only for W+ subscribers and keeping the way it is for regular clients.

It should be consumer law for companies to provide manuals and supporting reference material for products and goods.


Does games workshop even provide MSDS for its various chemical products?

That is a legal requirement in the UK and GW meet it by providing the manuals in the box, and by providing replacements on request.

The issue is that these things need to be freely accessible - particularly MSDS. There is just no excuse why it isn't on their website.


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 ImAGeek wrote:

 GoldenHorde wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
I agree they should be up on their page instead of having to mail them, but I'd rather have those on a non-paywalled page for everyone to access without fuss instead of only for W+ subscribers and keeping the way it is for regular clients.

It should be consumer law for companies to provide manuals and supporting reference material for products and goods.


Does games workshop even provide MSDS for its various chemical products?

You know the instructions come in the kits right?

You know sometimes they are omitted, or misprinted or ...insert scenario here...

Sorry is this some kind of lame excuse for not putting the materials on your website for the benefit of your customers?

Wow I am so impressed GW is capable of "bare minimum" .


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 ImAGeek wrote:

 GoldenHorde wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
I agree they should be up on their page instead of having to mail them, but I'd rather have those on a non-paywalled page for everyone to access without fuss instead of only for W+ subscribers and keeping the way it is for regular clients.

It should be consumer law for companies to provide manuals and supporting reference material for products and goods.


Does games workshop even provide MSDS for its various chemical products?

You know the instructions come in the kits right?

I ain't never ever seen a GW MSDS "being included". Humour me....find an MSDS on GW's websites....I dare you

Lol, are we mad at GW this week because you have to write an email to get a replacement if you misplace your manual?

Can't we focus on something that is actually important? Like the light content coming this week to WH+ for those who subscribed or that the Orks won't get all their new stuff in one go (and we don't know when the remaining kits will be purchasable).

a_typical_hero wrote:
Lol, are we mad at GW this week because you have to write an email to get a replacement if you misplace your manual?

Can't we focus on something that is actually important? Like the light content coming this week to WH+ for those who subscribed or that the Orks won't get all their new stuff in one go (and we don't know when the remaining kits will be purchasable).

Let's not talk about how GW's gratis online services are bad but instead lets talk about how GW's paywall online services are bad

Huuuggge difference.

a_typical_hero wrote:
Lol, are we mad at GW this week because you have to write an email to get a replacement if you misplace your manual?

Can't we focus on something that is actually important? Like the light content coming this week to WH+ for those who subscribed or that the Orks won't get all their new stuff in one go (and we don't know when the remaining kits will be purchasable).

Early to say if it's light monthly, next week may be full of nice updates?
As it stands yes! its on the very light side but I need to wait for several months to see the updates, trends and if its worth it.

A few animations, BR and tuts are not really convincing me now.
This streaming service competes with my other streaming services and in therms of content quality, quantity and price its better not to compare.

Its a new channel so I will give it the benefit of the doubt for a few months.

a_typical_hero wrote:
Lol, are we mad at GW this week because you have to write an email to get a replacement if you misplace your manual?

Can't we focus on something that is actually important? Like the light content coming this week to WH+ for those who subscribed or that the Orks won't get all their new stuff in one go (and we don't know when the remaining kits will be purchasable).

Seeing as I'm not subscribed, the first is actually more important to me

 GoldenHorde wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 GoldenHorde wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
I agree they should be up on their page instead of having to mail them, but I'd rather have those on a non-paywalled page for everyone to access without fuss instead of only for W+ subscribers and keeping the way it is for regular clients.

It should be consumer law for companies to provide manuals and supporting reference material for products and goods.


Does games workshop even provide MSDS for its various chemical products?

You know the instructions come in the kits right?

You know sometimes they are omitted, or misprinted or ...insert scenario here...

Sorry is this some kind of lame excuse for not putting the materials on your website for the benefit of your customers?

Wow I am so impressed GW is capable of "bare minimum" .

Im not saying it wouldn’t be a good idea to have all the instructions for free on the site, but saying ‘it should be consumer law to provide manuals’ is a weird comment when they literally do that, in the box.

I’m pretty sure MSDS laws are just a workplace thing, for hazardous chemicals, not something that you need to provide consumers for things like paint.