Kill Team 2021 news & rumours

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**kirotheavenger**

Sounds like it was spot on to expect regular installments of Octarius-equivalent boxes.

**Arbitrator**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well, one month until the next quarter.

Wonder if these will be similarly sized boxed sets? If so, there’s a fair number of Rumour Engines which might point to new KT specific squad boxes.

The way the terrain is a 'all in one' deal where scenarios tell you how to lay out the pieces that you specifically get in the box, I would strongly expect so.

I think even some dedicated whales would balk at paying £125 every quarter for these though. At least Ebay will be stuffed with rulebooks and 'Essentials'.

**Kaffis**

I take it that the quarter of highlighting a new sector/set of teams includes the announcement/hype phase. That fits, we first heard about KT21 in July, we're getting release in late August, so we'll start getting teasers and hype in October for whatever's next, with a November release. Early November, I'd expect, as they won't have to preview the core rules so it makes sense to shorten the hype phase.

**Geifer**

DaveC wrote:
I wonder if someone put up an old graphic by the time Octarius is actually released July and August will be gone leaving 1 month until the next set? And will these be £125 a quarter?

Seems to me like that's the actual plan, GW wants to stick with conventional, yearly quarters and Octarius had one or two things throw it off a regular release to fit into its assigned quarter. It may have been caught at the tail end of the last half year of production delays and GW expects to be back on track soon. Or Kill Team had to make way in the release year for a new AoS edition and therefore couldn't be released in July (the usual new edition release time). Or both.

125 pound box every three months? That's actually a good question. That graphic has Games Vagueshop written all over it. Except for "rejoice, there'll be new stuff" it doesn't really tell us what to expect. You'd think it implies a big box every quarter, but I'm not seeing any actual evidence for that. Even though it would make sense.

**Arbitrator**

'Kill zones' seem to be built very strongly around the terrain you get in the box. Between two teams, terrain and the campaign book, the only way I see them skimming fat off to make a box cheaper is removing the rulebook, measuring tools and cards and knocking it down to £95/£100.

**TheBrushKnight**

£125 a quarter works out at just under £10 per week. If I can limit my hobby spend to that the wife will be much happier.

**Theophony**

So maybe that Avatar of Khaine will be a Statue on a Craftworld with some Ealdari (or however it's spelled now

) vs. Genestealers

**SamusDrake**

chaos0xomega wrote:

Probably neither. James M Hewitt has explained that Shadow War Armageddon was released separately by the Publications team while he was working on Necromunda with the Specialist team. He said there was no consultation or cross-communication between himself and the Shadow War team, but that they were fully aware that he was working on Necromunda at the time. He says he doesn't know *why* they would release Shadow War Armageddon, but he has inferred that it was probably the result of parochialism, hurt feelings, or inter-departmental politics as they rushed to release Shadow War out basically using the original Necromunda ruleset with few (if any) real modifications while he was working on the ground-up rewrite of the Necromunda rules. IIRC I think James alluded to the idea that the manager of the publications team was someone who may have worked on Necromunda in the past or something to that effect and felt like they should have been the one to revive Necromunda as a game, and when they were passed up they leveraged their position (and probably personal relationships with higher managers, etc.) to produce Shadow War out of spite in an effort to undercut Necromunda. I cant find the longer interview/q&a/explanation he gave on it, but this is one of the times he mentioned it on twitter: https://twitter.com/lagoon83/status/1417956999661342731?s=20

Its a shame they didn't put that hurt energy into a new range of Eldar models!

But at least both games did see the light of day( B5 vs DS9 situation? ) and I've only heard positive things about Shadow War. Flicking through the manual I was quite surprised to see Harlequins had extra units, which I believe were Mimes and Virtuosos? Rookie and veteran Troupe Players, apparently. So I guess the customer won in the end with two games to choose from and some interesting units too.

**kirotheavenger**

It heavily implies a new box like Octarius every quarter, but nothing concrete by any means.

**Geifer**

Arbitrator wrote:
'Kill zones' seem to be built very strongly around the terrain you get in the box. Between two teams, terrain and the campaign book, the only way I see them skimming fat off to make a box cheaper is removing the rulebook, measuring tools and cards and knocking it down to £95/£100.

Rulesbooks, essentials and cards are out on their own. If they wanted an alternative to the launch box, they could have two individual faction boxes for the new models, a Kill Zone box for the terrain and a supplement book for the rules. It would add up in price to more than the launch box, which I'm sure GW wouldn't mind, but could offer people not interested in the new factions the option to just buy the terrain (and obligatory book).

**Arschbombe**

kirotheavenger wrote:Sounds like it was spot on to expect regular installments of Octarius-equivalent boxes.

4 bespoke killteam/killzone boxes per year with 2 teams per box. So it will 2.5 years to get all the factions their teams and then it will be time to start over again with a new box and compendium.

TheBrushKnight wrote:£125 a quarter works out at just under £10 per week. If I can limit my hobby spend to that the wife will be much happier.

It's a Kill Team subscription! Quarterly loot boxes for everyone!

**H.B.M.C.**

Ah. The GW-Pattern Roadmap:

1. Something you already know about.
2. New products for this product line, but we can't say what they are.
3. New products for this product line, but we can't say what they are.
4. And so on...
5. ... and so on...
6. ... and so on...

Such reveals. Much previews. Wow!

**Kanluwen**

Worth mentioning that the Core Rules for 40k has some Warzones named in it.

We have quite a few of them on the GW webstore(5th Sphere Expansion is Tau v Imperium v GSC, Scourge Stars is Nurgle forces v Sisters+Ecclesiarchial aligned Guard/Astartes/Knights, Cadia is still in play with Fabius Bile's forces trying to steal meatsacks for Bile to make stuff with, Pariah Nexus for Necrons and Imperial forces) and a few that aren't there yet(Armageddon is seeing Angron show up and there's an Aeldari+Harlequins+Ynnari v Tyranid warzone for example) which might show up going forward.

Some of the warzones might be Big Boxes with "All New Sceneries!1!1!1!" or some might just be repacked scenery with new models in there.

Smart money, currently, is on an Aeldari v Tyranids set coming.

**Miguelsan**

Arbitrator wrote:
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well, one month until the next quarter.

Wonder if these will be similarly sized boxed sets? If so, there’s a fair number of Rumour Engines which might point to new KT specific squad boxes.

The way the terrain is a 'all in one' deal where scenarios tell you how to lay out the pieces that you specifically get in the box, I would strongly expect so.

I think even some dedicated whales would balk at paying £125 every quarter for these though. At least Ebay will be stuffed with rulebooks and 'Essentials'.

GW wants me to pay close to 200 pounds (GW special price for far away places (tm)) for a box of stuff that I will finish painting just in time for the next edition of KT?

I'm going to need more laughing ork emotes than this forum allows.

M.

**jeff white**

solkan wrote:
There wouldn't be any problems with true line of sight if all of the models were fixed in comparable poses.

The problem with true line of sight is that it's what creates the eternal problem that 40k has with modeling for advantage.

I mean, heck, what use does a model with only melee weapons have for better line of sight in this sort of game? If you don't need line of sight to charge or make a melee attack, then the shorter your model is the better--all being tall does is make you easier to see.

"It's entirely thematic (with no ulterior motivation) that this entire box of daemonettes is modeled with them doing the limbo."

Maybe GW is missing an opportunity to sell laser pointers on sticks of standard heights. So, a marine pointer would be taller than a ratling pointer. And then all that is needed is a 'take cover/crouch behind a wall' or 'go prone/hit the dirt!' type order mechanic that removes LoS problems as such models are either not trying to shoot (hiding) or shooting from ground level (maybe a ground level laser pointer with a GW logo would do)...

**H.B.M.C.**

Selling laser pointers (the Citadel™ Las-Pointer™, no doubt) would involve engaging with a third party. Makes that less likely.

Kanluwen wrote:
... or some might just be repacked scenery with new models in there.

You can replace 'might' with 'absolutely 100% will be'.

Miguelsan wrote:
... just in time for the next edition of KT?

Who said anything about new edition?

**Kanluwen**

Miguelsan wrote:

GW wants me to pay close to 200 pounds (GW special price for far away places (tm)) for a box of stuff that I will finish painting just in time for the next edition of KT?

I'm going to need more laughing ork emotes than this forum allows.

M.

It wouldn't be a "new edition" each time. There might be special versions of the Core Book and a "Campaign booklet" in each warzone related set, but that doesn't make it a new edition.

**kodos**

I would not be surprised if other boxes come with oval, octagon and tesseract because for the new factions in the boxes the original values were not enough for a balanced team setup

**Miguelsan**

God forbid GW using those foreign things called numbers!

M.

**kirotheavenger**

I think a lot of these rumour engines we've seen will be from these Killteam sets.

The Eldar frisbee and GSC detonator spring to mind.

**H.B.M.C.**

Miguelsan wrote:
God forbid GW using those foreign things called numbers!

Maybe the shapes are meta-commentary on all the different ones they tried out for their new (and better!) wheel.

**Mr_Rose**

kodos wrote:
I would not be surprised if other boxes come with oval, octagon and tesseract because for the new factions in the boxes the original values were not enough for a balanced team setup

Listen, if GW can make an actual tesseract in plastic without destroying the mould (or reality) every time, I will cheerfully acknowledge them as the true masters of injection moulding and proclaim the new system both perfect and necessary.

**Apple fox**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Miguelsan wrote:
God forbid GW using those foreign things called numbers!
Maybe the shapes are meta-commentary on all the different ones they tried out for their new (and better!) wheel.

They where testing with color!

But yea, but disappointed. Most of the kill teams I feel won’t have much effort put in now.
Can just play games with more to them !

**kirotheavenger**

I actually think WarCom was right in advertising it with shapes, even though the playtesters have been using colours.
The measuring gauge provided is monochrome, and they're even providing a metal measuring gauge which couldn't even be painted.

I think this approach for bespoke-killteams only is a bit lame.
Sure it's awesome if you're interested in one of the bespoke teams they provide.
But what if you're interested in something else? You're stuck with the utterly bland and flavourless compendium.

**jaredb**

I'm really looking forward to seeing what the other Kill Teams look like, and some more terrain sets. This is very much like Warcry. A bunch of bespoke warbands made for Warcry, but also rules to use existing kits. With the Death Korps and Kommandos, I'm looking forward to what comes next.

**Arbitrator**

kirotheavenger wrote:
I actually think WarCom was right in advertising it with shapes, even though the playtesters have been using colours.
The measuring gauge provided is monochrome, and they're even providing a metal measuring gauge which couldn't even be painted.

I think this approach for bespoke-killteams only is a bit lame.
Sure it's awesome if you're interested in one of the bespoke teams they provide.
But what if you're interested in something else? You're stuck with the utterly bland and flavourless compendium.

In the long term I expect it'll work itself out when the majority of armies have their bespoke teams. The question is if people remain interested long enough to stick with the game for 'their' (and for most people, that means Space Marine) team to come out.

**privateer4hire**

Kanluwen wrote:
Miguelsan wrote:

GW wants me to pay close to 200 pounds (GW special price for far away places (tm)) for a box of stuff that I will finish painting just in time for the next edition of KT?

I'm going to need more laughing ork emotes than this forum allows.

M.

It wouldn't be a "new edition" each time. There might be special versions of the Core Book and a "Campaign booklet" in each warzone related set, but that doesn't make it a new edition.

That’s essentially the model they have used for NuNecromunda.

**kirotheavenger**

That's part of the issue though, if every faction get's one team - what if that's not the team you like?
Say for Guard, but I want to play Scions.

I think the bespoke teams can work very well in a vaccuum. But Killteam isn't a vaccuum, the fact that it's a slice of 40k is a massive part of its appeal.

**Kaffis**

Arbitrator wrote:
kirotheavenger wrote:
I actually think WarCom was right in advertising it with shapes, even though the playtesters have been using colours.
The measuring gauge provided is monochrome, and they're even providing a metal measuring gauge which couldn't even be painted.

I think this approach for bespoke-killteams only is a bit lame.
Sure it's awesome if you're interested in one of the bespoke teams they provide.
But what if you're interested in something else? You're stuck with the utterly bland and flavourless compendium.

In the long term I expect it'll work itself out when the majority of armies have their bespoke teams. The question is if people remain interested long enough to stick with the game for 'their' (and for most people, that means Space Marine) team to come out.

Bold of you to imply that Space Marines will get only one team.

**jaredb**

I hope this takes a page out of Blackstone Fortress and Warcry, where we can see some more unusual stuff, which doesn't fit neatly into a codex roster, but works well in small scale.