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 GaroRobe wrote:
I don't get the need for a queue if there's made to order.

(Except that MTO takes a long time to make, I guess?)

Stupid GW, I just wanna browse the site and look at the models. I don't want to buy anything.

the queue is just to manage site traffic, as (presumably) thousands of people try and buy the product all at the same time (hoping to get the ready stock of boxes not the made to order ones), and its have a queue system, or the site overloads and falls over requiring significant effort to get back up again.

i share your pain, i was trying to work out the details of a potential conversion i was looking at doing and couldnt get access to the site to look at the sprues for half an hour.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
There's always One Page Rules

B-b-b-but that's not got the Warhammer 40,000 or Games Workshop label!

The queue is because their site can't handle the number of people all logging on at once.

 kirotheavenger wrote:
The queue is because their site can't handle the number of people all logging on at once.

What? You mean GW paid 4 million to Kirby's wife (or something like that) and the web site can't handle it? I guess 4 million doesn't get you much these days. lol

 lord_blackfang wrote:
There's always One Page Rules

What's that and where can I find it?

Is there a list of which units are available as options for killteams in the compendium?

They're basically Gamesworkshop games but ultra simplified.
They have not-40k, not-AoS, not-Killteam, and more.
https://onepagerules.com/

Pretty cool.I hear mixed opinions on their not-40k though, and I haven't really heard much about their other games.

 warboss wrote:
Is there a list of which units are available as options for killteams in the compendium?

Goonhammer mentions them as they work though the factions on their 3 part review of the compendium. Link to the first part, which then links on to parts 2 and 3


short answer is "factions troop choices" as a default, with maybe some of the elite options but mostly not and nothing that strays too far form that that "Line infantry, but better" line. only obvious non troops i picked up on were Repentia and Arco-Flagellants for sisters, the Sciarians for the admech, Reivers for the marines (and scouts, but c'mon, they are troops just moved for balance purposes), Sisters of Silence for the custodes, flayed ones and Deathmarks for Necrons, and pathfinders and stealth suits for the tau. everything else is, as far i can tell, a troops choice for that faction.

 kirotheavenger wrote:
They're basically Gamesworkshop games but ultra simplified.
They have not-40k, not-AoS, not-Killteam, and more.
https://onepagerules.com/

Pretty cool.I hear mixed opinions on their not-40k though, and I haven't really heard much about their other games.

It is neither one page nor anything like 40k.


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 Arbitrator wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
There's always One Page Rules

B-b-b-but that's not got the Warhammer 40,000 or Games Workshop label!

That's a delusional sentiment.

 kirotheavenger wrote:
They're basically Gamesworkshop games but ultra simplified.
They have not-40k, not-AoS, not-Killteam, and more.
https://onepagerules.com/

Pretty cool.I hear mixed opinions on their not-40k though, and I haven't really heard much about their other games.

Works just as well as real 40k and if the community gives feedback to nerf/buff stuff that happens pretty regularly and pretty quickly. No benefit to the creator to sell models or to foster obvious imbalance in hopes of a new edition.

The only drawbacks are the lists are centered only on 40k and mantic warpath stuff only so far. That and the fact that it’s not got the GW label so getting people to try it may be a challenge.

 GaroRobe wrote:
I don't get the need for a queue if there's made to order.

(Except that MTO takes a long time to make, I guess?)

Stupid GW, I just wanna browse the site and look at the models. I don't want to buy anything.

Guess you don't mind if store timeouts during purchase putting money into limbo taking extra time to sort out did payment happen or not?

 warboss wrote:
Is there a list of which units are available as options for killteams in the compendium?

https://warhammer40000.com/kill-team/#factions_3_0

The official website has them all

xerxeskingofking wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Is there a list of which units are available as options for killteams in the compendium?

Goonhammer mentions them as they work though the factions on their 3 part review of the compendium. Link to the first part, which then links on to parts 2 and 3


short answer is "factions troop choices" as a default, with maybe some of the elite options but mostly not and nothing that strays too far form that that "Line infantry, but better" line. only obvious non troops i picked up on were Repentia and Arco-Flagellants for sisters, the Sciarians for the admech, Reivers for the marines (and scouts, but c'mon, they are troops just moved for balance purposes), Sisters of Silence for the custodes, flayed ones and Deathmarks for Necrons, and pathfinders and stealth suits for the tau. everything else is, as far i can tell, a troops choice for that faction.

Thanks! I didn't realize the review mentioned earlier in the thread was so comprehensive.


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 warboss wrote:
Is there a list of which units are available as options for killteams in the compendium?

https://warhammer40000.com/kill-team/#factions_3_0

The official website has them all

Also thanks! I expect they'll add to it with full priced followup books.

I like this rule set. Clear, easy to build and there’s still plenty of customisation to fiddle with (although some factions have it better than other) - for example guard:

Guardsmen come in groups of 7 and scions in 5s. You have a max 20 dudes in your roster and you take 2 of your groups from that roster into each fight. So for example I’m planning a roster of 2x 7 guardsmen and 1x5 scions. Within a squad of guardsmen I can customise the following:

If they have a leader
The leaders equipment
If they have a comms guy
Which special weapons they have (up to 2 and no duplicates)

Then before the battle I can add upgrade like a medic bag or frag grenades which all provide opportunities for modelling “your guys”. Plenty of depth and it severely limits the amount of cheese available like stacking 8 plasma guns in an army

 GaroRobe wrote:
I don't get the need for a queue if there's made to order.

(Except that MTO takes a long time to make, I guess?)

Stupid GW, I just wanna browse the site and look at the models. I don't want to buy anything.

If they don't, scalpers will just buy all boxes that had been already made and leave people choice of waiting 3+ months or getting extremely overpriced kits now, kinda completely defeating MTO point.

And yeah, I get that last part, I wanted to look up stuff too and queue is annoying but you can always use google cache.

 Arbitrator wrote:
If Adam "I'm going to tell you why latest GW thing is awesome and you should buy it" says a GW product is bad, it must indeed be bad.

Nice strawman but the whole selling point of TM is that he is honest. Please show ONE video he made that tries to sell you on GW stuff instead of presenting full range of available options, be it from other companies or homemade. Hell, is three most popular videos are about stuff replacing GW offerings completely!

And funnily enough, the only thing he has been pushing recently is the Reign in Hell thing. Guess who made it?

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Woah damn, Adam saying a GW product, that he got for free, is bad? It must be goddamn abysmal

And this is not even a strawman, it's full on dishonest sockpuppet He never ONCE pushed anything he got from GW, and pretty much always made a criticism or complain of some sort. But I guess to mass bashing account saying past boxes were OK and he doesn't have much to complain about is a height of shilling, eh?

I feel that Kill Team 2.0 is going to go the way that Titanicus did early on.

At the start: few options, but you still need a couple of books and lots of things to get you rolling, so nobody bought it and played it.

Then, more options start coming out and things were looking better. People started picking it up.

Now, lots of options and more support coming (albeit slowly), which makes it a real hit of a game, supported by a box set that's a fantastic split, or complete army in one set.

The trouble with Kill Team is that it's meant to be a quick skirmish game, so the price point of 100USD to just get the books is HARSH, especially if we're expecting more books to fill in missing or lacking options.

I'll predict that they'll do a 'Forces of the Imperium/Chaos/Xenos' books in the future that will have expanded rules, options, and other things as more stuff comes out, likely on top of the various campaign books and boxes that they have planned. In the end, it's going to be another great way for GW to sell you more paper than plastic. :/

It sounds like the issue with the Compendium is that it's only reasonably priced if you're buying one copy for a group of players.

I'll just have to make sure to tell the people I'm planning on playing with that I'll be razor-blading my copy apart so there's no problem sharing the sections of the book around.

It's been interesting to watch the impact of the MTO on sales today.

It doesn't seem GW ever had to flip over to Made to Order "SKU." All the pre-orders on the GW site still seem to be dispatching from August 28.

DiscountGames has 20+ units available with a 15% discount. They sold out of Hexfire and Beast Snagge boxes in minutes.

It could be that they just printed a truly huge amount. My FLGS was able to order 5 copies of the Beast Snagga box, but got an allocation of 50 for KT:O. 10X production can go a long way to satisfying demand.

It could also be that the scalpers had a truly distorting effect on the market, effectively monopolizing the available stock. With the threat of elastic supply, they knew their model was at risk, they ceded the field, and a more sustainable equilibrium was found.

It could also be that the fairly negative reviews have turned folks off. Or that the perceived value is much lower than with the dual faction boxes. The KT:O launch box is a savings over buying the elements individually, but the books and terrain to some degree are widely seen as overpriced.

Anyway, interesting to see in light of some other recent box sets!

Glad I can finally make a badass Scout Team.

Kinda upset I got rid of most my Firstborn, so have only like 3 legal models now.

Might be able to reuse my Rusty 17 models from last edition as a KT, which is cool.

Kicking myself for selling off all my old marines and old CSM earlier this year.

The place I ordered from - that sold out in 7 minutes - has spoken to GW and received a larger allocation of boxes.

Seems GW are willing to give as many as needed.

^^ Yup. I had a much smoother ordering process than with Sisters or Beast Snagga's. I really do hope that this approach isn't limited to New game editions and is rolled out for all boxes.

But, I also know it won't be.

(One would think they would get a gauge of numbers from a made to order approach for the future...)

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The place I ordered from - that sold out in 7 minutes - has spoken to GW and received a larger allocation of boxes.

Seems GW are willing to give as many as needed.

But we are the special case where GW isn't selling through their own stores or their online store, so 3rd parties are the only places we can get it at the moment.

I got it through an online store for 20% discount, and they took pretty much all day yesterday before they stopped taking orders. Normally I'd buy from a local store that normally only has 10 to 15% discount, or another store that doesn't have any discount, but they're closed due to lockdown, so it's meant I've actually saved money this time around.

I would suggest stores wouldn't have sold out so quickly if the GW store had of been open, as it's pushed all that traffic to the 3rd party stores, nor would GW be making more stock available to them if it were also selling like hotcakes on the official store.

If GW are planning to ride out the NSW lockdown before they start selling through their online store, it's possible that they might not open before the MTO stuff goes through, as it looks like the NSW lockdown is going to last a while, so maybe they're thinking they can restock if they need.





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 Rinkydink wrote:
^^ Yup. I had a much smoother ordering process than with Sisters or Beast Snagga's. I really do hope that this approach isn't limited to New game editions and is rolled out for all boxes.

But, I also know it won't be.

(One would think they would get a gauge of numbers from a made to order approach for the future...)

I have a feeling after the initial preview stream, they were expecting massive numbers of sales as the community seemed really on board, and when they started previewing the game mechanics and reviews started coming in, people might have gone cold on it.

Even now I've ordered it but am thinking maybe I shouldn't have, lol.

I don't think there's any way to get around the fact that the Compendium is simply a stop gap to allow most folks to play their faction (sort of).

...and that since complete faction rules won't really become available till "your box" is released, it pretty much blows.

That's unfortunate, because I feel the rules are pretty good.

So it's really a question of: are you willing to wait till the release of "Your box."

Feels a lot like waiting for "Your Codex."

Does anyone else think that GW anticipated Compendium to receive mixed reviews and therefore issued review lockdown until the 14th?

I don't about the rules but Compendium certainly kills the hobby aspect of building Kill Teams. Personally I am unaffected because I never intended to buy it anyway. I am happy with Octarius its metric ton of plastic. By the time I get them built and painted, the next set should be out already...

I'd wager most folks will just use screenshots of their datasheets or battlescribe instead of buying the Compendium. Even if coming up with the new stats was a laborous endeavour for GW, they should have went the "Munitorum Field Manual 2021 Mk I" route here and offered it as a free download.

Guerrilla is playing the Compendium fire teams all through next week, so we'll be able to see how they actually play on the tabletop in comparison to the Spec Ops teams.

Did I end up buying the Compendium? nope

I can, as ever, recommend F28: War Always Changes, as doing skirmish, battle, and narrative wargaming in the universe of another leading brand, significantly better than, for example, Kill Team, Warhammer 40K, and Inquisitor, do those things. It's our go-to SF game in this house even after Stargrave came out.

https://www.wargamevault.com/product/319899/F28-War-Always-Changes

Oh snap. The feeling when you've spent a wad of cash and have to wait 13 days to see what it bought you...

Preorders suck hehehe

 tauist wrote:
Oh snap. The feeling when you've spent a wad of cash and have to wait 13 days to see what it bought you...

Preorders suck hehehe

I feel your pain, at least you got the metal gizmo, right?

I'm going to arrange a swap of Orks for more Krieg on the interim.

M.

 Crimson wrote:
JFC, you can mix different models from one army into one killteam? This is just insane. Whole point of this sort of skirmish game is that every model can be an individual.

KT has gone back and forth on allowing this over the years, the first editoon of KT (in the 4th ed 40k rulebook) allowed you to mix and match freely ( I ran a KT made up of 1 of each elsar aspect warrior, for example). The next iteration in 2013 or 2016 (forget when ch)disallowed that and basically required you to bring a KR made up of a single codex unit entry. Then the efition after that allowed you to mix from a limited list of units, etc. Now we are at the point where we basically have bespoke kill team army lists.

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
I can, as ever, recommend F28: War Always Changes, as doing skirmish, battle, and narrative wargaming in the universe of another leading brand, significantly better than, for example, Kill Team, Warhammer 40K, and Inquisitor, do those things. It's our go-to SF game in this house even after Stargrave came out.

https://www.wargamevault.com/product/319899/F28-War-Always-Changes

If only theyd make it available as a pdf.

 Miguelsan wrote:

 tauist wrote:
Oh snap. The feeling when you've spent a wad of cash and have to wait 13 days to see what it bought you...

Preorders suck hehehe

I feel your pain, at least you got the metal gizmo, right?

I'm going to arrange a swap of Orks for more Krieg on the interim.

M.

Yeah, I got the metal gauge but there's no pair for it, nor any metallic pentagon gauge.. Would actually have paid extra money for all three. Oh well, maybe I should try to do some hobbying in the meantime. It's just that every time I buy something I've waited a while for, I can't think of anything else until the product in question ships. First World problems, no doubt!