Orks 9th Edition, A nerf to the player rather than the army.

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**Tyel**

I'm not quite sure how to put it into words, but I think one of the major issues GW had circa 2014-15 when things started to fall apart was players going "remember when [insert reference 1998 as if it was yesterday here]" - while X-Wing could just go "2012 release goes brrr".

**Tycho**

Jidmah wrote:
Tycho wrote:
Jidmah wrote:
Pickled_egg wrote:
GW : You can't use 3rd party miniatures in our games
Also GW : We have no stock of Rukkatrukk squigbuggies, any of the Ork Aircraft and no release date for the warboss on squigosaur, Kill rig etc etc etc

Uhm... are you new here? Because there was never a time in 40k when it wasn't like this.

Don't worry about the squigbuggies and planes, there will be plenty on ebay when people find out that the can't just bandwagon to orks and win games like they do with half the other armies.

Are YOU new here? This just plain isn't true.

I see you mentioned starting just after 5th. That probably explains it. The supply issues are absolutely new (for reasons that should be pretty obvious), and there actually was a time when you could see ... gasp .... non citadel and non-marauder miniatures on the pages of White Dwarf. I think most of it largely changed around the time 'ard boyz died, but there was a time when you could bring kit-bashed models to GW events as long as a majority of the model (there was an actual percent given but I don't recall what) was still mostly GW.

In fact in second and third ed, you could bring Armorcast to tournaments (as long as the rules were permitted).

The no non-GW models is more recent than you might think.

This is the main problem with dakka. People thinking that stuff that happened in 5th edition is still new and not over a decade ago.
3rd edition ended 2004. 17 years ago. Anything that happened then is essentially ancient history now.

Or maybe it's that people think "history" started when they joined in? You literally said "it's always been like this". There was a time - a long time - when you actually could bring non-GW miniatures to a GW store or sponsored event ...

**SemperMortis**

Tycho wrote:
Jidmah wrote:
Tycho wrote:
Jidmah wrote:
Pickled_egg wrote:
GW : You can't use 3rd party miniatures in our games
Also GW : We have no stock of Rukkatrukk squigbuggies, any of the Ork Aircraft and no release date for the warboss on squigosaur, Kill rig etc etc etc

Uhm... are you new here? Because there was never a time in 40k when it wasn't like this.

Don't worry about the squigbuggies and planes, there will be plenty on ebay when people find out that the can't just bandwagon to orks and win games like they do with half the other armies.

Are YOU new here? This just plain isn't true.

I see you mentioned starting just after 5th. That probably explains it. The supply issues are absolutely new (for reasons that should be pretty obvious), and there actually was a time when you could see ... gasp .... non citadel and non-marauder miniatures on the pages of White Dwarf. I think most of it largely changed around the time 'ard boyz died, but there was a time when you could bring kit-bashed models to GW events as long as a majority of the model (there was an actual percent given but I don't recall what) was still mostly GW.

In fact in second and third ed, you could bring Armorcast to tournaments (as long as the rules were permitted).

The no non-GW models is more recent than you might think.

This is the main problem with dakka. People thinking that stuff that happened in 5th edition is still new and not over a decade ago.
3rd edition ended 2004. 17 years ago. Anything that happened then is essentially ancient history now.

Or maybe it's that people think "history" started when they joined in? You literally said "it's always been like this". There was a time - a long time - when you actually could bring non-GW miniatures to a GW store or sponsored event ...

....I started in the 90s....i distinctly remember the GW staff telling people to FETH OFF out of their store for bringing in non-GW models.

Jidmah wrote:
Pickled_egg wrote:
GW : You can't use 3rd party miniatures in our games
Also GW : We have no stock of Rukkatrukk squigbuggies, any of the Ork Aircraft and no release date for the warboss on squigosaur, Kill rig etc etc etc

Uhm... are you new here? Because there was never a time in 40k when it wasn't like this.

Don't worry about the squigbuggies and planes, there will be plenty on ebay when people find out that the can't just bandwagon to orks and win games like they do with half the other armies.

Possibly the only good thing Reece and the other GW Shills did for the ork community, made meta gamers buy ork stuff and then dump it quickly when they realized it wasn't the "I WIN" army

**Mr. Grey**

Pickled_egg wrote:
GW : You can't use 3rd party miniatures in our games
Also GW : We have no stock of Rukkatrukk squigbuggies, any of the Ork Aircraft and no release date for the warboss on squigosaur, Kill rig etc etc etc

You can use whatever the hell you want to in your home games and in 99% of your other games unless you're playing at Warhammer World, possibly in a GW store, or at one of the 4(?) official sanctioned GW tournaments that's happening this year. Aside from that, nobody gives a crap.

And yes, those things are currently sold out because they're pretty powerful in the new codex. As for upcoming releases... they're coming. Be patient.