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So glad the Trademarkable NounVerb random name generator has been upgraded to support flamer weaponry.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
So glad the Trademarkable NounVerb random name generator has been upgraded to support flamer weaponry.

Don't you mean the Primaris Copyrightable BrandLabel NounVerber?

 Crimson wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
Isn't that the accelerator doomahicky???

Has it actually been explained somewhere?

Explained? Not sure, but on the assembly guides I think it calls it that so your models are proper WYSIWYG.

Love the model. Worth noting that the stats on that flamer correspond to the major leak we recently (with the Chaos Chosen, Squats, etc), so that's another point in its favour.

Never thought i'd live to see the day where the return of Squats is plausible.

Then again, i never thought i'd live to see plastic DKoK either.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Never thought i'd live to see the day where the return of Squats is plausible.

Then again, i never thought i'd live to see plastic DKoK either.

Yeah Im just hoping I like them [the squats] when they arrive. Im fairly optimistic given the job they did on the Kharadrons..

On one hand it seems strange that GW went through the whole rationalisation of flame-type weaponry to make them all range 12", only to give Marines a super-special 15" flamer because... Primaris?

On the other hand, perhaps this opens up some design space for other flame weapons that perhaps should have longer ranges (Hellhounds being a good example - they had a 24" range back in the day!).

You have 18" baleflamers. Maybe hellhounds might match that at least?



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Oh flamestorm on the Baal predator is 18" too isn't it?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
On one hand it seems strange that GW went through the whole rationalisation of flame-type weaponry to make them all range 12", only to give Marines a super-special 15" flamer because... Primaris?

On the other hand, perhaps this opens up some design space for other flame weapons that perhaps should have longer ranges (Hellhounds being a good example - they had a 24" range back in the day!).

Makes the Primaris models feel even more extra special or something?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
On one hand it seems strange that GW went through the whole rationalisation of flame-type weaponry to make them all range 12", only to give Marines a super-special 15" flamer because... Primaris?

On the other hand, perhaps this opens up some design space for other flame weapons that perhaps should have longer ranges (Hellhounds being a good example - they had a 24" range back in the day!).

I think I still have my 2nd Ed 'cut from White Dwarf and stuck on cereal box card' double flamer template for the Exorcist at home.

Variety.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
On one hand it seems strange that GW went through the whole rationalisation of flame-type weaponry to make them all range 12", only to give Marines a super-special 15" flamer because... Primaris?

On the other hand, perhaps this opens up some design space for other flame weapons that perhaps should have longer ranges (Hellhounds being a good example - they had a 24" range back in the day!).

Hellhounds already have a 16" range - probably the rationale is that it's twice the range of a (then-) normal 8" flamer. Next codex it'll probably pop up to 24".

Excuse me while I burst into a flaming ball of rage that Black Templars have literally gotten the thing I fantasized about for years but it's only for Big Marines. There are some nice details on that mini, and it's cool that GW are chaining weapons to wrists like all good Templars should, but goddamn. This is so close to what I've wanted.

Also the name of the Big Marines' Big Flamer is silly.

What is the rationale for the chained weapons?

It seems insane, as it would only be a detriment: limiting mobility, fouling shots, dragging at the arm (especially in close combat), etc.

Voss wrote:
What is the rationale for the chained weapons?

It seems insane, as it would only be a detriment: limiting mobility, fouling shots, dragging at the arm (especially in close combat), etc.

IIRC it's somewhat symbolic that they cant be separated from their weapon.

Super jealous and I hope we get those for my Salamanders.

Voss wrote:
What is the rationale for the chained weapons?

It seems insane, as it would only be a detriment: limiting mobility, fouling shots, dragging at the arm (especially in close combat), etc.

Excuse me while I put on my cool nerd fact hat.

So! There are 2 kinds of chains the Black Templars use, I forget the names but...

The most common is a symbolic thing. Before battle you chain you weapons to yourself, and when the battle is over, you take them off. It's a ceremonial/symbolic thing.
It goes back to before the Heresy. The founder of the Black Templars, Sigismund iirc, was either originally a World Eater, or hung out with the World Eaters a lot. He was a real cool dude who wasn't afraid of nothing, and they asked him to join, but he said no and went off to join/carried on being one of the Imperial Fists, founding the Templar Brethren. He took with him the World Eaters tradition of chaining your weapons to your wrists because the World Eaters are maniacs like that.

The second, slightly rarer chain is much more hardcore. It's a vow a Templar takes where they never remove the weapon chained to them, and carry it until they die. Again, symbolic, but much more permanent. I think this one is usually like a pennance thing but I don't have my old codex on this side of the planet.

The White Dwarf design notes accompanying the 4th edition codex said that the chained weapons was symbolic of the Templars not laying down their weapons until their crusade is ended or they meet their death.

Similarly the prevalence of lanterns on Templar models represents them bringing the Emperor's light to the galaxy.

 posermcbogus wrote:
Excuse me while I burst into a flaming ball of rage that Black Templars have literally gotten the thing I fantasized about for years but it's only for Big Marines. There are some nice details on that mini, and it's cool that GW are chaining weapons to wrists like all good Templars should, but goddamn. This is so close to what I've wanted.

Also the name of the Big Marines' Big Flamer is silly.

Not to be wierd but what did you expect?
that Normal marine Heavy flamers become initially decent enough to force you NOT to buy the new and improved primaris nounverb?

I mean, unlike the cover art, this ones neck isn't long though so there's that

Not Online!!! wrote:

 posermcbogus wrote:
Excuse me while I burst into a flaming ball of rage that Black Templars have literally gotten the thing I fantasized about for years but it's only for Big Marines. There are some nice details on that mini, and it's cool that GW are chaining weapons to wrists like all good Templars should, but goddamn. This is so close to what I've wanted.

Also the name of the Big Marines' Big Flamer is silly.

Not to be wierd but what did you expect?
that Normal marine Heavy flamers become initially decent enough to force you NOT to buy the new and improved primaris nounverb?

I mean, unlike the cover art, this ones neck isn't long though so there's that

Idk man, hope dies last I guess.

Sigismund was First Captain of the Imperial Fists Legion and fought in the World Eaters Gladiator Cages, as did Nassir Amit, the Flesh Tearer, and IIRC Sevatar. In fact, Amir and Kharn were good friends and often fought together in the arena while chained together.
The Gladiators of Nuceria would chain their weapons to their wrists, a traditional the World Eaters continued. Sigismund saw its worth and applied it to the Templars when they were founded.

 posermcbogus wrote:
Excuse me while I burst into a flaming ball of rage that Black Templars have literally gotten the thing I fantasized about for years but it's only for Big Marines. There are some nice details on that mini, and it's cool that GW are chaining weapons to wrists like all good Templars should, but goddamn. This is so close to what I've wanted.

Have you considered stopping pointlessly hating on the primaris and enjoying the cool new models instead?

If GW could produce a cool new model without derpy looking guns or eye-rollingly inflated statlines, sure.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Never thought i'd live to see the day where the return of Squats is plausible.

Then again, i never thought i'd live to see plastic DKoK either.

For all the gak GW is getting, this is really something to applaud. They keep reviving things from the past like GSC, Sisters, Zoats, the Ambull etc, even if it's just a single model for a specialist game.
I still don't see squats as an army, but maybe a Killteam or as Tau auxiliaries. Whatever it will be, the one thing keeping me engaged is the knowledge that pretty much anything can happen at this point (Kroots now!)

 Crimson wrote:

 posermcbogus wrote:
Excuse me while I burst into a flaming ball of rage that Black Templars have literally gotten the thing I fantasized about for years but it's only for Big Marines. There are some nice details on that mini, and it's cool that GW are chaining weapons to wrists like all good Templars should, but goddamn. This is so close to what I've wanted.

Have you considered stopping pointlessly hating on the primaris and enjoying the cool new models instead?

Some want to play with　7 feet space marines rather than 8 feet. Wouldn't fit fur campaign for example as timeline doesn't match. No primaris yet around.



You know for some people fluff matters more than latest op junk

tneva82 wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 posermcbogus wrote:
Excuse me while I burst into a flaming ball of rage that Black Templars have literally gotten the thing I fantasized about for years but it's only for Big Marines. There are some nice details on that mini, and it's cool that GW are chaining weapons to wrists like all good Templars should, but goddamn. This is so close to what I've wanted.

Have you considered stopping pointlessly hating on the primaris and enjoying the cool new models instead?

Some want to play with　7 feet space marines rather than 8 feet. Wouldn't fit fur campaign for example as timeline doesn't match. No primaris yet around.



You know for some people fluff matters more than latest op junk

If they cared more for the fluff than the latest op junk and were running a timeline set pre-primaris, they would have absolutely 0 interest in using a primaris unit with a newly invented weapon anyways...

tneva82 wrote:

Some want to play with　7 feet space marines rather than 8 feet.

And that's the primaris. Old models are six feet marines as they're same height as GW's normal humans.

Cadian/skitarii/cultist: about 32mm
Primaris marine: about 38mm

If we assume 32mm human model to represent about 180 cm tall person, then 38mm primaris marine would be about 215 cm i.e. seven feet. (Do the math.)

And don't bring up the Custodians again. they're fringe faction and furthermore there really isn't a reason to assume that they're much taller than seven feet either.

I hope this has now been conclusively covered now and you can stop incessantly bringing it up.

I find that Templar a bit meh.Basic Mk.X Marine as is to be expected, but he could have used a little more decoration. He doesn't need to look like a Chirstmas tree, but a little more adornment to counteract the inherent tacticool look of Primaris wouldn't go amiss. Maybe there are optional bits on the sprue like purity seals and other things that got revved from the old upgrade sprue and this will be a moot point, but from what's shown I'm not particularly happy with the Initiate. And the flamer is pure junk, but that's Primaris weapons for you.

 BertBert wrote:
For all the gak GW is getting, this is really something to applaud. They keep reviving things from the past like GSC, Sisters, Zoats, the Ambull etc, even if it's just a single model for a specialist game.

True, though Sisters really don't belong in that list. GW never actually stopped selling the metal range until the plastic range was ready for release, and rules were mostly updated to the latest edition.

That said, I'm willing to believe that their plastic update was partially enabled by GW's newfound faith in its Eighties and Nineties designs.

 BertBert wrote:
I still don't see squats as an army, but maybe a Killteam or as Tau auxiliaries. Whatever it will be, the one thing keeping me engaged is the knowledge that pretty much anything can happen at this point (Kroots now!)

It really depends on how ambitious GW is willing to be. AoS has seen a lot of truly new factions, some with bigger, some with smaller ranges. Getting a Squat Kill Team at all is a great start, but it doesn't actually take much more to allow people to fill the mandatory slots of a FOC and at least make an allied force. And considering how Genestealers and Mechanicus were built up over several waves and years, Suqats might actually be the next army to get that treatment.

 Geifer wrote:
I find that Templar a bit meh.Basic Mk.X Marine as is to be expected, but he could have used a little more decoration. He doesn't need to look like a Chirstmas tree, but a little more adornment to counteract the inherent tacticool look of Primaris wouldn't go amiss. Maybe there are optional bits on the sprue like purity seals and other things that got revved from the old upgrade sprue and this will be a moot point, but from what's shown I'm not particularly happy with the Initiate.

I think the rumour said that there would be separate Sword Brethren kit too, so presumably they will look more extra. But I just want to see all the new models so I can make a proper judgement. I really wish there is a great variety of bits. Primaris marines generally look cool, but sameyness is their big weakness. I really hope they break away from that with this release.

 Crimson wrote:

 posermcbogus wrote:
Excuse me while I burst into a flaming ball of rage that Black Templars have literally gotten the thing I fantasized about for years but it's only for Big Marines. There are some nice details on that mini, and it's cool that GW are chaining weapons to wrists like all good Templars should, but goddamn. This is so close to what I've wanted.

Have you considered stopping pointlessly hating on the primaris and enjoying the cool new models instead?

Oh man. I'm so sorry. So sorry that I've posted an opinion you don't agree with. You are right, and I was foolish and wrong.

I'm sorry that I'm posting an opinion about the upcoming black templars release, in the black templars thread. I'm sorry I voiced some disappointment. I'm sorry that I spent years painstakingly learning to model and convert black templars, because GW wouldn't make more of their own. I'm sorry for that enthusiasm and passion. I'm sorry that I waited with baited breath for a new character, or campaign, or even just some extra fluff, a battle report, dared to even dream of a new transfer sheet, for YEARS. I'm sorry the last time my chapter got any love was back at the end of 7th, and we only got a bit of artwork showing us hanging out with xenos, and a formation to use for like 3 weeks before 8th dropped. Your snarky remarks about how pointless it is that I have a large army already, and don't want to re-buy stuff because big marines are only allowed to ride in big cars, and never be backwards compatible with anything has made me see the light. My opinions are pointless, I am just a hater, I should just toss all of my existing minis, and shut up and buy primaris like a good boy, because nothing retro is ever of value, and opinions like mine should be ban worthy. Thank you so much for behaving like a mod and telling Tevna and I to move on after you got your parting shot in, you really are an asset to this community.

 posermcbogus wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 posermcbogus wrote:
Excuse me while I burst into a flaming ball of rage that Black Templars have literally gotten the thing I fantasized about for years but it's only for Big Marines. There are some nice details on that mini, and it's cool that GW are chaining weapons to wrists like all good Templars should, but goddamn. This is so close to what I've wanted.

Have you considered stopping pointlessly hating on the primaris and enjoying the cool new models instead?

Oh man. I'm so sorry. So sorry that I've posted an opinion you don't agree with. You are right, and I was foolish and wrong.

I'm sorry that I'm posting an opinion about the upcoming black templars release, in the black templars thread. I'm sorry I voiced some disappointment. I'm sorry that I spent years painstakingly learning to model and convert black templars, because GW wouldn't make more of their own. I'm sorry for that enthusiasm and passion. I'm sorry that I waited with baited breath for a new character, or campaign, or even just some extra fluff, a battle report, dared to even dream of a new transfer sheet, for YEARS. I'm sorry the last time my chapter got any love was back at the end of 7th, and we only got a bit of artwork showing us hanging out with xenos, and a formation to use for like 3 weeks before 8th dropped. Your snarky remarks about how pointless it is that I have a large army already, and don't want to re-buy stuff because big marines are only allowed to ride in big cars, and never be backwards compatible with anything has made me see the light. My opinions are pointless, I am just a hater, I should just toss all of my existing minis, and shut up and buy primaris like a good boy, because nothing retro is ever of value, and opinions like mine should be ban worthy. Thank you so much for behaving like a mod and telling Tevna and I to move on after you got your parting shot in, you really are an asset to this community.

You're entitled to an opinion and shouldn't be degraded (despite doing the exact same in return), but simultaneously they gave you exactly what you wanted - exciting new cool black templar models so you don't need to convert any more of your own. You can't then complain they gave you the wrong new minis just because you don't want to buy something.