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2021/10/09 20:02:16
Subject: Black Templars Compiled thread(Updated 10/4) PREORDERS OCT 9.
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
2021/10/09 22:29:41
Subject: Re:Black Templars Compiled thread(Updated 10/4) PREORDERS OCT 9.
TLWD: Most of the stuff here is "fluffy but not better than the base marine stuff" (that includes both crusader squads and the sword brethren.
It's not terrible, and for once isn't yet another step on the powercreep ladder that has been 9th so far, but it's also not very mindblowing.
Overall they bring what the primaris have always sorely lacked: more wargear option.
The relic bearer rule is pretty cute tho, will let you pimp up random guy with some nice relics, but as often with 40k, only a handful is very strong while the rest is just a waste of point that could have gone into more bodies on the table.
They did add a cute stratagem for the Land Raider Crusader, but nothing else (a shame, just letting it embark the crusaders or sword brethren primaris would have been a good idea.
And speaking of Sword Brethren... am I crazy or did they just removed the FB Sword Brethren?
2021/10/09 22:47:30
Subject: Re:Black Templars Compiled thread(Updated 10/4) PREORDERS OCT 9.
bullyboy wrote: it's a Combat Patrol plus extra character and codex/cards.
Probably because said codex and cards are gonna be outdated in a few weeks because GW never proofreads anything resulting in tons of mistakes and misspellings, and does a crapton of FaQs and balance changes after the release of a Codex. Besides, you can get the rules online.
They make these things called "pens" and they're really great for making changes to printed or written text on any type of paper product.
TLWD: Most of the stuff here is "fluffy but not better than the base marine stuff" (that includes both crusader squads and the sword brethren.
It's not terrible, and for once isn't yet another step on the powercreep ladder that has been 9th so far, but it's also not very mindblowing.
Overall they bring what the primaris have always sorely lacked: more wargear option.
The relic bearer rule is pretty cute tho, will let you pimp up random guy with some nice relics, but as often with 40k, only a handful is very strong while the rest is just a waste of point that could have gone into more bodies on the table.
They did add a cute stratagem for the Land Raider Crusader, but nothing else (a shame, just letting it embark the crusaders or sword brethren primaris would have been a good idea.
And speaking of Sword Brethren... am I crazy or did they just removed the FB Sword Brethren?
Since Primaris first came out, I've thought that it's actually a long con. It'll be 5-10 years before the Marine army has the diversity of weapons, units and rules that FB once had. If anyone can confirm, it almost seems like the exact same thing they did with Stormcast in AoS. Only now are the SE armies getting a lot of really cool and diverse weapon and armor options that allow for multiple different playstyles, and it's been what, about 7 years since they came out?
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2021/10/10 02:11:56
Subject: Black Templars Compiled thread(Updated 10/4) PREORDERS OCT 9.
Eldenfirefly wrote: Holy!!! I love their new shock and awe strat!!! can disembark from a land raider after it has moved and then charge! This is so cool !!!
Yep. Nothing quite like a subfaction-locked replication (with a CP cost!) of the basic function of a land raider.
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Efficiency is the highest virtue.
2021/10/10 06:06:14
Subject: Black Templars Compiled thread(Updated 10/4) PREORDERS OCT 9.
bullyboy wrote: it's a Combat Patrol plus extra character and codex/cards.
Probably because said codex and cards are gonna be outdated in a few weeks because GW never proofreads anything resulting in tons of mistakes and misspellings, and does a crapton of FaQs and balance changes after the release of a Codex. Besides, you can get the rules online.
If you go on illegal copies gw can never make good deal without doing loss. Copiers can alwavs beat gw on value. Books, models, copiers always can do it cheaper.
2024 painted/bought: 109/109
2021/10/10 07:05:40
Subject: Re:Black Templars Compiled thread(Updated 10/4) PREORDERS OCT 9.
bullyboy wrote: it's a Combat Patrol plus extra character and codex/cards.
Probably because said codex and cards are gonna be outdated in a few weeks because GW never proofreads anything resulting in tons of mistakes and misspellings, and does a crapton of FaQs and balance changes after the release of a Codex. Besides, you can get the rules online.
If you go on illegal copies gw can never make good deal without doing loss. Copiers can alwavs beat gw on value. Books, models, copiers always can do it cheaper.
Funny how other companies manage to give the rules and stats for free without apparently going bankrupt, then.
2021/10/10 07:36:49
Subject: Black Templars Compiled thread(Updated 10/4) PREORDERS OCT 9.
Made my pre-order and so far everything I've seen from the rules only makes me more excited to get my hands on it. I'll look past the equipment restrictions for the sword brethren, only because they're an amazing looking unit and i'll probably convert a few up to be Blade Guard anyways.
2021/10/10 08:10:28
Subject: Re:Black Templars Compiled thread(Updated 10/4) PREORDERS OCT 9.
Decided to pass on the launch box myself. But when the full release comes around I'll be picking up a couple(at least) of the combat patrol boxes and the Sword Brethren. I've got quite a few unbuilt Primaris kits in my pile, so if nothing else the BT specific kits will be a good source of parts to mix in.
2021/10/10 08:15:28
Subject: Re:Black Templars Compiled thread(Updated 10/4) PREORDERS OCT 9.
bullyboy wrote: it's a Combat Patrol plus extra character and codex/cards.
Probably because said codex and cards are gonna be outdated in a few weeks because GW never proofreads anything resulting in tons of mistakes and misspellings, and does a crapton of FaQs and balance changes after the release of a Codex. Besides, you can get the rules online.
If you go on illegal copies gw can never make good deal without doing loss. Copiers can alwavs beat gw on value. Books, models, copiers always can do it cheaper.
Ever heard the good ol' saying, "Piracy is a service problem"?
"Tabletop games are the only setting when a body is made more horrifying for NOT being chopped into smaller pieces."
- Jiado
2021/10/10 09:27:51
Subject: Re:Black Templars Compiled thread(Updated 10/4) PREORDERS OCT 9.
I have always loved the law of BT but never got into them. I have decided to buy a this and make a full primaris army of them.
Though I'm not a huge fan of primaris (I prefer my firstborn), I may as well make a full primaris army because I have a gak tonne extra bought for my Deathwatch, my Conquest subscription and left over indomitus stuff that has been sitting on shelves in sprues that I will never use.
I am taking this more as a modelling project for primaris for me (though I made sure to order a gak tonne of the old BT upgrade sprues from various sites for weapon options, extra BT bits etc and some Shapeways Maltese crosses now, before the new upgrade one comes out and then will get multiple of that one as well).
I watched all the reviews/games on Miniwargaming, StickingScorpion82, Tabletop Tactics, Tabletop Titans etc and a few others. They seem ok play wise (even if they lost every game lol on those channels that played), the flavour and conversion opportunities seems super awesome and they look like have a few good tricks up their sleeve after some play testing etc has been done (apart from secondaries).
For Australia and myself, I think the box seems reasonable (if my above predictions looking at other things on their website is correct) and it will be a good project. I am looking forward to it .
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2021/10/10 09:30:29
Subject: Re:Black Templars Compiled thread(Updated 10/4) PREORDERS OCT 9.
How good are the new Crusader sprues...they look like getting back to the old multiple option SM sprues. Getting easier again for kit-bashing from what I can see, is a big reason why I ordered this set, not as much of that mono-pose crap (though still a lot will have to be cut and changed and greenstuffed etc, but getting better). Even the Marshal character has a few options (though is still to posed for me, I foresee a lot of greenstuff and posing in my future).
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2021/10/10 11:01:27
Subject: Re:Black Templars Compiled thread(Updated 10/4) PREORDERS OCT 9.
Ever heard the good ol' saying, "Piracy is a service problem"?
Ever heard the forum rule "Don't promote Piracy"?
GW's very existence is promoting piracy.
Possibly the most idiotic thing you’ve ever said.
A monopolistic juggernaut holding the entire hobby in a chokehold, free to drive prices as high as they can, while consistently reducing the quality and effort they put into their products, whilte simultenously seeking to wipe out all competition whenever they can, even if it's inside their own fanbase?
It's hard to get a better justification of why piracy is good than this.
"Tabletop games are the only setting when a body is made more horrifying for NOT being chopped into smaller pieces."
- Jiado
2021/10/10 11:06:18
Subject: Re:Black Templars Compiled thread(Updated 10/4) PREORDERS OCT 9.
MonkeyBallistic wrote: Because there are no other games companies, no other miniatures ranges, no other paint manufacturers…?
None that make Games Workshop products.
The biggest power moves and cons that GW has ever been able to pull off is to convince most of the general public and wargaming community that GWIS the wargaming hobby.
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2021/10/10 12:32:25
Subject: Re:Black Templars Compiled thread(Updated 10/4) PREORDERS OCT 9.
MonkeyBallistic wrote: Because there are no other games companies, no other miniatures ranges, no other paint manufacturers…?
None that make Games Workshop products.
The biggest power moves and cons that GW has ever been able to pull off is to convince most of the general public and wargaming community that GWIS the wargaming hobby.
How very patronising of you. If only GW fans were as clever as you, they’d see the light.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Maybe we should get back to discussing the actual Black Templar releases.
I was torn on whether to buy the army box. I’m a big, big fan of John Blanche’s work so the book was a big draw. The minis look amazing. However, the box just looks very sparse. It was seeing the leak of the combat patrol that tipped the balance. I’m saving my money for that instead.
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2021/10/10 12:43:35
Subject: Black Templars Compiled thread(Updated 10/4) PREORDERS OCT 9.
AduroT wrote: GW forced me to pirate their books if I wanted to keep playing when they stopped selling digital versions and I had to find others supplying those.
Do you not get a code for digital codex with a physical purchase now?
2021/10/10 12:49:06
Subject: Re:Black Templars Compiled thread(Updated 10/4) PREORDERS OCT 9.
MonkeyBallistic wrote: Because there are no other games companies, no other miniatures ranges, no other paint manufacturers…?
None that make Games Workshop products.
The biggest power moves and cons that GW has ever been able to pull off is to convince most of the general public and wargaming community that GWIS the wargaming hobby.
How very patronising of you. If only GW fans were as clever as you, they’d see the light.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Maybe we should get back to discussing the actual Black Templar releases.
I was torn on whether to buy the army box. I’m a big, big fan of John Blanche’s work so the book was a big draw. The minis look amazing. However, the box just looks very sparse. It was seeing the leak of the combat patrol that tipped the balance. I’m saving my money for that instead.
Spot on. Patronising is the word for that. Lotta people have been in this hobby for decades and like GW because in many ways, they're the best. But we're just sheeple apparently. We don't know about Mierce or Rackham or Illyad or w/e, if we did we'd definitely be spending most of our hobby money on those minis instead of GW, of course. Added bonus, all of the competition of similar quality are cheap as chips too. I even heard the competitors don't even turn a profit, they do it purely for the love.
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2021/10/10 12:50:47
Subject: Black Templars Compiled thread(Updated 10/4) PREORDERS OCT 9.
AduroT wrote: GW forced me to pirate their books if I wanted to keep playing when they stopped selling digital versions and I had to find others supplying those.
I was extremely annoyed by them stopping digital sales. However nobody ‘forced’ you to pirate them. You wanted to keep playing so you wanted to pirate them.
2021/10/10 12:52:18
Subject: Black Templars Compiled thread(Updated 10/4) PREORDERS OCT 9.
AduroT wrote: GW forced me to pirate their books if I wanted to keep playing when they stopped selling digital versions and I had to find others supplying those.
Do you not get a code for digital codex with a physical purchase now?
He is being facetious...of course get a code etc...
I think people have turned this thread into: they think what they deserve, instead of paying for a privilege/something which is optional...
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AdMech (Main army)
Black Templars (original army)
Death Guard (lazy side project)
Imperial Knights (extension of AdMech)
Harlequins (fun side project)
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