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Frankly I'm ok with where Discovery is at right now. It took them a few seasons to find a convoluted reason to shunt the cast into an era where they aren't constrained by decades of canon (pushed past even Enterprise's Temporal Cold War stuff) and required them to hire on advisors from the Voyager era but it seems like they're finally comfortable playing within the Star Trek universe while mostly disposing of the need to reinvent everything, mostly...

Do we have any word on the new Abrams Trek movie beyond the announcement that it exists? If he's sticking to a producer role maybe we'll get another little miracle like Star Trek Beyond?

   
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Picard Season 2 launches tomorrow.

As at least in the U.K. we’ll get it 24 hours after the USA, please be generous with your spoiler tags

   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Picard Season 2 launches tomorrow.

As at least in the U.K. we’ll get it 24 hours after the USA, please be generous with your spoiler tags

Picard is in it!

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Picard Season 2 launches tomorrow.

As at least in the U.K. we’ll get it 24 hours after the USA, please be generous with your spoiler tags


Is every episode a day late or just the first?

 
   
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All of the I assume?

   
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Star Trek 4. Hmmm, I want the entire movie to have not a single weapon shown or fired. Not even on the Enterprise. Otherwise I'm not interested.
   
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 Togusa wrote:
Star Trek 4. Hmmm, I want the entire movie to have not a single weapon shown or fired. Not even on the Enterprise. Otherwise I'm not interested.


I love this idea! Talk about reversing a trend!
   
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leerm02 wrote:
 Togusa wrote:
Star Trek 4. Hmmm, I want the entire movie to have not a single weapon shown or fired. Not even on the Enterprise. Otherwise I'm not interested.


I love this idea! Talk about reversing a trend!


Movie / Budget / Worldwide Gross
Star Trek Beyond / $185,000,000 / $343,471,816
Star Trek Into Darkness / $190,000,000 / $467,365,246
Star Trek (2009) / $150,000,000 / $385,680,446

The Star Trek reboot franchise isn't exactly setting the box office on fire. Honestly I'm not entirely sure why they keep making them because those returns don't seem to be worth it after marketing and distribution costs. I echo the above sentiments and think they should try to make a more modestly budgeted film ($70ish million) by having the whole thing take place on the Enterprise and focus on relationships and science fiction. Some of the best Star Trek takes place entirely on the ship, go with that. Make us care about these characters and make them care about each other.

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It'd be a bold choice, unless I'm mistaken there hasn't been a Star Trek movie that didn't feature a cackling villain since the Slow-Motion Picture.

Edit: No wait, Voyage Home. Silly me.

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 Togusa wrote:
Star Trek 4. Hmmm, I want the entire movie to have not a single weapon shown or fired. Not even on the Enterprise. Otherwise I'm not interested.


You must have hated the Original series

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 Mr Morden wrote:
 Togusa wrote:
Star Trek 4. Hmmm, I want the entire movie to have not a single weapon shown or fired. Not even on the Enterprise. Otherwise I'm not interested.


You must have hated the Original series


Famous for episodes all about shooting and space battles such as City on the Edge of Forever and The Trouble With Tribbles. Heck, there isn’t even much shooting in Mirror Mirror, the one with the whole Evil Enterprise Crew.

   
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 Mr Morden wrote:
 Togusa wrote:
Star Trek 4. Hmmm, I want the entire movie to have not a single weapon shown or fired. Not even on the Enterprise. Otherwise I'm not interested.


You must have hated the Original series


Star Trek is about more than action and explosions and Beastie Boys.
   
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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 Mr Morden wrote:
 Togusa wrote:
Star Trek 4. Hmmm, I want the entire movie to have not a single weapon shown or fired. Not even on the Enterprise. Otherwise I'm not interested.


You must have hated the Original series


Famous for episodes all about shooting and space battles such as City on the Edge of Forever and The Trouble With Tribbles. Heck, there isn’t even much shooting in Mirror Mirror, the one with the whole Evil Enterprise Crew.


Also famous for using weapons alot......or are you pretending that they did not carry sidearms......fire phasers and photons alot . etc etc etc .



No you are right - every episode was a deep and insightful exploration of a social issue....


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So apparently Picard has upgraded a bunch of STO designs to alpha canon :/

The Gargarin, Reliant, Ross, and Sutherland class ships are all STO designs, admittedly three are STO modifications to existing canon designs that had previously appeared.
Spoiler:



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 Mr Morden wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 Mr Morden wrote:
 Togusa wrote:
Star Trek 4. Hmmm, I want the entire movie to have not a single weapon shown or fired. Not even on the Enterprise. Otherwise I'm not interested.


You must have hated the Original series


Famous for episodes all about shooting and space battles such as City on the Edge of Forever and The Trouble With Tribbles. Heck, there isn’t even much shooting in Mirror Mirror, the one with the whole Evil Enterprise Crew.


Also famous for using weapons alot......or are you pretending that they did not carry sidearms......fire phasers and photons alot . etc etc etc .



No you are right - every episode was a deep and insightful exploration of a social issue....




The discussion was not about having no weapons in Star Trek. It was about having no weapons in movie number 4, or 25%, a ratio of no shoot to shooty that is adult fits in with the original Star Trek, but specially among the memorable episodes.

   
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 LordofHats wrote:
So apparently Picard has upgraded a bunch of STO designs to alpha canon :/


Yep. It's also interesting that rather than putting a letter on the end of the Stargazer's registry (NCC-2893), they put an 8 at the start for the new one (NCC-82893).
   
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Rumor on the STO mill is that the in-game version of the StarGazer is up for a doover and an update to its 3D model. They've been doing that the past year with all the Federation ships and most have gotten a new variant version in the process so Picard might be giving players a sneak peek.

   
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I really enjoyed that. Minimal mucking around for a season opener, and I appreciate them going more Federation.

Roll on next Friday, I guess!

   
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I stupidly forgot I don’t care if the episodes get released on different days in different regions because I sail the high seas and always get the earliest release times, but yeah, good episode overall. It did open with a person pet peeve of mine with the dramatic action scene, then cut to two days before that.

Spoiler:
I was expecting the person taking over the bridge to be a possessed/controlled Seven since the opening scene didn’t show their identity but they were clearly Borg.

 
   
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 Mr Morden wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 Mr Morden wrote:
 Togusa wrote:
Star Trek 4. Hmmm, I want the entire movie to have not a single weapon shown or fired. Not even on the Enterprise. Otherwise I'm not interested.


You must have hated the Original series


Famous for episodes all about shooting and space battles such as City on the Edge of Forever and The Trouble With Tribbles. Heck, there isn’t even much shooting in Mirror Mirror, the one with the whole Evil Enterprise Crew.


Also famous for using weapons alot......or are you pretending that they did not carry sidearms......fire phasers and photons alot . etc etc etc .

Nothing ever happens "alot". Some things may happen "a lot", but never "alot".

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This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

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So...

Spoiler:
I hope the stuff with the Borg at the start actually matter to the plot of the show and aren't just the studio waving shiny starships at us to appease the nerds.

I was ready for this to be Q showing Picard some alternate universe or timeline, or the mirror universe or whatever they're doing, but after that intro... I'm going to be spending the rest of the season waiting for them to go to the proverbial fireworks factory.

They took care to have someone point out that the Queen was only shooting to stun - I have a feeling there are other details going on in that sequence and a hope that the whole point of this little adventure is to help nudge Picard away from self-destructing the Stargazer and, dare I hope, forming a lasting, rehabilitating alliance with the Borg.



   
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Also?

Spoiler:
I for one appreciated how they dealt with immortal/long lived characters ageing as us weedy ‘oomies do.

Sure it’s hokey for Guinan (we age slower unless we don’t want to). But at least they covered it.

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I was talking to a friend about the first episode over lunch, and they mentioned that it looked like they'd taken some fan-feedback from S1 on board:
Spoiler:
Picard has a female love interest
There's more Starfleet
Starfleet are using visually different ships


   
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Now. Here’s a thought.

Spoiler:
The scenes of Picard being about his business seem somewhat disjointed.

It could be ropey editing. But, I do wonder if we’re perhaps seeing different possibilities, to be revealed later?


   
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Well that was a very very enjoyable first episode!

Spoiler:

I think some of Picard's business at the start isn't possible futures, but rather just moving the story forward so that they could end the first Episode with more having happened. One weakness of the first series was that it took a good few episodes to actually get going. So this new season does feel a little "fast" in the editing. Esp since a lot of the core characters from the first season have traded places and moved around a fair bit from where we last saw them. But as I see it we don't need a long introduction to them and most of the role changes are them settling back into roles they had before the first season (eg being a captain again, being an admiral again etc...).


The Queen is very interesting, she's certainly much more cybernetic and seems to much better befit the epitome of a race aiming to become machines than earlier displays of her where she was at least upper body organic on the outside.

They've certainly setup the whole beginning with a LOT of questions.


I think so far the only strange part is that no one recognised the Borg signature of the temporal rift; and the somewhat "Oh suddenly there's a fleet" kind of angle. Suggesting that the Borg Ship just sat there doing nothing whilst a fleet had time to warp in - which takes time; although considering that it was only 48 hours and Picard travelled the distance in days it seems like they are very near the core worlds so chances are it wouldn't take "too" long for the Federation to at least get some ships in range.



Otherwise very enjoyable; leaving us with a fast setup but a lot of characters set and ready to go and a lot of questions unanswered which is just what you want from the opening play. Q appearing was very well handled considering its a scene they had to cover in a few lines before the end of the episode.




Also I think people who didn't like season 1 as much might like this a bit more. Picard is back in Starfleet, this isn't the story on the outside looking in. Of course he's hardly in it before he's seemingly out of it and now in a different time-line. However, as I've said before, the joy of a Q based storyline with time travel and alternate timelines is that its often (or at least historically) less of a "everything changes and stays changed" and more of a puzzle of "try to get home".

Also on the subject of the Borg seeking peace lets consider that with the events of First Contact and the end of Voyager the Borg have been hit with several massive blows from the Federation. Granted the Voyager one was a bit of a long stretch, but all in all we are seeing perhaps that the Borg have been losing for some time. Heck after Voyager's adventures it might be that even a short term heavy impact to the Borg left them vulnerable and other powers in the Delta Quadrant rose up and suddenly the Borg went from dominant to more fringe.

At the same time for a race that seeks to become machine they've been surprisingly poor at achieving it in its most pure form. Meanwhile the Federation hasn't just done it, they've made machines who are alive, not just organics becoming machine but actual pure machine life. And now those machines are making more machines - in theory the Federation might be one of their enemies, but they have also achieved that which the Borg, at its very core, was created to achieve. Peace might well be the Borg's way of trying to gain that from the Federation.



That or the Queens bid for "power" is because there's something worse behind that mega-ship. That its not an invasion ship but an escape ship. We've seen races like Species 8472 rise up against the Borg and threaten them. Perhaps they found a way back to this universe.

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I don’t think Borg are all about becoming pure machines, or they wouldn’t need to bother assimilating other races biologicals. Plus remember when the queen had Data, a pure machine, her response was to slap organic skin on him. It’s hard to say if the queen is more cybernetic, I think it’s just clothing/mask to hide her identity for later dramatic reveal. As for why Borg would join up, one thing to consider is they’re all about adapting to stuff. If you can’t beat them?

 
   
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 AduroT wrote:
I don’t think Borg are all about becoming pure machines, or they wouldn’t need to bother assimilating other races biologicals. Plus remember when the queen had Data, a pure machine, her response was to slap organic skin on him. It’s hard to say if the queen is more cybernetic, I think it’s just clothing/mask to hide her identity for later dramatic reveal. As for why Borg would join up, one thing to consider is they’re all about adapting to stuff. If you can’t beat them?



Spoiler:
The Borg have always worshipped the machine*, they are like the Ad Mech of the Startrek Universe. However when the Queen had Data she knew that she couldn't just "hack" him or corrupt/infest him to her cause. So she gave him what he wanted, flesh. Preying on his emotion chip (which she reactivated) and feelings to try and convince Data to join her and abandon Starfleet. Considering that Data wasn't just a wealth of knowledge on the perfect machine body, but also able to take control over the Enterprise as he knew most of the security codes and such. If she got him she got the ship, if she got the ship she won the war against humanity in the past.

As for adaptation the Borg typically assimilate other things into their own. Indeed as the queen proved within her first few moments of appearing, she was already securing those ships for her own use. It's their first line of thought - to infest others not be infested. What's strange is that they'd request Picard to appear and their whole approach is very non-typical for the Borg. They also rarely show concern for preserving other life; other life is either hostile and to be destroyed or non-hostile and to be infested.


Your idea that the queen is a mask is a good one. Time Travel/reality hopping is something we know will happen and the Queen was very well hidden. It could be she's a character from the future come to the past; or one from an alternate reality again fleeing an enemy. Alternate reality presents an interesting situation as she could be the alter-ego of an existing character.



*That said I've often wondered if the Borg are "broken" in some fundamental way as they are rarely shown as having very advanced bodies. Heck their early ones were very slow and the cybernetics very primitive compared to, say, Data and other mechs they encounter. Plus adapting others into their whole isn't "necessary" for them to gain new technology all the time and such. So I've often wondered if they've this lofty goal to become the perfect machine, but somewhere along the line something got correupted/confused within the collective and they end up like an ant-hive. Even though they've a "Queen" they've no way to move out of what they are locked into. A fixed way of flawed design and thinking.

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Spoiler:
No one else has mentioned it, so just to make sure, you caught the queen quoted a line from Picard’s mother to him, right?

 
   
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 AduroT wrote:
Spoiler:
No one else has mentioned it, so just to make sure, you caught the queen quoted a line from Picard’s mother to him, right?


Spoiler:
Very true. That does reinforce the idea that who the queen is could potentially be someone close to him. Then again, in theory, the Borg should know everything about Picard as well as what strings to pull on him. He was once part of the collective.

Actually that whole line of thinking brings about the very start where "something" happens in his home that sets him apart from people and makes him isolate himself and, if not reject, at least not openly commit to relationships. So there's that whole arc waiting for development.

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