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**Overread**

Wait a relative of Khan is now on Pikes ship as chief of security decades before Khan is found?

The only other Noonien in the setting is Soong, ergo the creator of DATA.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Noonian_Soong

**beast_gts**

Overread wrote:
Wait a relative of Khan is now on Pikes ship as chief of security decades before Khan is found?

Yep -

“She’s related to Khan, for sure,” said series co-showrunner Akiva Goldsman (as reported by Decider’s Alex Zalben on Twitter), directly tying her character to James Kirk’s nemesis in “Space Seed” and Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. “Canon is almost always delightfully challenging, unless it’s a pain in the ass,” Goldsman also said, per Zalben’s reporting, indicating that the writing team does their best to adhere to canon unless that gets in the way of storytelling requirements.

Co-showrunner Henry Alonso Meyers also spoke about the canon question, as reported by StarTrek.com, saying that the writers “take canon very seriously on the show because we don’t want to break it, but we also want to have fun with it.”

So something must happen so Spock, Uhura, etc. either can't tell Kirk about her, or don't remember her...

**Overread**

If she's a natural born normal relative then it should be little more than a name she shares with him. No genetic modifications or so far back its heavily diluted by now.

If its purely the family name she shares then that would be easy to forget her. However I kinda get the feeling we'll have a "oh she's very strong" or "I've been hiding my superhuman powers for generations... under the same family name --- why yes I did consider renaming myself Skywalker"

It will be interesting to see how they handle it. It's a strange connection though because to fit the cannon it basically has to have no impact on her. Then again even by the DS9 era the idea of genetic modification is heavily looked down upon within the Federation.

She could turn out to be an interesting mix of Tasha Yar and Dr Bashir

**beast_gts**

STAR TREK: STRANGE NEW WORLDS Beams Up Lieutenant Spock

**warboss**

Overread wrote:
If she's a natural born normal relative then it should be little more than a name she shares with him. No genetic modifications or so far back its heavily diluted by now.

If its purely the family name she shares then that would be easy to forget her. However I kinda get the feeling we'll have a "oh she's very strong" or "I've been hiding my superhuman powers for generations... under the same family name --- why yes I did consider renaming myself Skywalker"

I'd be shocked if she was just the unmodified natural born plain jane black sheep of the family given the propensity (even in the character trailers) for everyone to be the bestest eVar even by traditional classic Star Trek standards. A more realistic expectation is that they're hopeuflly only just double plus good in their chosen specialty and not everything like Michael Burnham. Maybe even join together in their color coded uniforms to form Megaburntronhamzord in the season finale... but that's probably more appropriate for Lower Decks.

**BobtheInquisitor**

AduroT wrote:
beast_gts wrote:
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Noonien-Singh?

Really?

Yep, and they've confirmed they are related - it went down as well as you'd expect...[/url]

Obviously I recognized Singh (which feels really unnecessary of an inclusion), is there a significance to the Noonien I’m missing?

Khan’s full name is Khan Noonien Singh

Data was created by Noonien Soong

Gene Roddenberry apparently went to college with a guy named Noonien Singh,or something very similar.

**AduroT**

Ah, I didn’t know Khan’s name, only Data’s Dad’s, so when I saw Singh I thought it was an odd spelling for him or I was misremembering the pronunciation.

**Voss**

Late to this reveal party, but had to go poke around to make sure this wasn't an April Fools joke.

It apparently isn't, so... why though?

“She’s related to Khan, for sure,” said series co-showrunner Akiva Goldsman (as reported by Decider’s Alex Zalben on Twitter), directly tying her character to James Kirk’s nemesis in “Space Seed” and Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. “Canon is almost always delightfully challenging, unless it’s a pain in the ass,” Goldsman also said, per Zalben’s reporting, indicating that the writing team does their best to adhere to canon unless that gets in the way of storytelling requirements.

Co-showrunner Henry Alonso Meyers also spoke about the canon question, as reported by StarTrek.com, saying that the writers “take canon very seriously on the show because we don’t want to break it, but we also want to have fun with it.”

This says a lot. 'We'll stick to canon unless we don't want to write our stories around it (oh, sorry, if it 'gets in the way' of the stories we're making up')'

**LordofHats**

The longer time goes on, the more convinced I am that the people making Star Trek now were huge fans of Star Trek Renegades. It's bizarre how many plot points from that movie keep being used (I'm not joking, most of the movies major plot points from super duper secret Romulan conspiracy, to dilithium burning out, to Khan having a secret daughter now all appeared in Star Trek Renegades).

And that movie was god awful, which explains a lot about how blarg the live-action lineup keeps being if anyone liked it so much they're recycling its plot points.

**beast_gts**

Una Chin-Riley is STAR TREK: STRANGE NEW WORLDS’ Enterprising Number One

**Overread**

Back to Picard!

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**warboss**

Was it freshly printed? If it was already washed and cured then it's fine. Of course, in the grimdark future of trek, FDM 3d printing machines without modification or set dressing make coffee and snacks instead of the (less?) advanced replicator of TNG. Progress!

**Overread**

warboss wrote:
Was it freshly printed? If it was already washed and cured then it's fine. Of course, in the grimdark future of trek, FDM 3d printing machines without modification or set dressing make coffee and snacks instead of the (less?) advanced replicator of TNG. Progress!

It's so fresh that the scene 2 seconds before showed it still on the supports rising from the VAT

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

On the immigration angle?

We see a xenophobic “oh no! Foreigns! society in 2024.

The alternate timeline is “oh no! Aliens! society.

Those two things are clearly linked, given how The Blame Game is all about scapegoating society’s ills on “the other”, regardless of how little given problem is caused by said Other.

**beast_gts**

Captain Pike Ponders His Dark Fate in STRANGE NEW WORLDS

**beast_gts**

WATCH: Star Trek: Strange New Worlds Official Trailer

**Mr Morden**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
On the immigration angle?

We see a xenophobic “oh no! Foreigns! society in 2024.

The alternate timeline is “oh no! Aliens! society.

Those two things are clearly linked, given how The Blame Game is all about scapegoating society’s ills on “the other”, regardless of how little given problem is caused by said Other.

Lets not make the Borg into victims - at least 7 still reminds them of this now and again

It was def better than last episode mostly cos Raffy was off screen for pretty much all of it.

Damn but Orla Brady looks good for 61!

**Slipspace**

Mr Morden wrote:
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
On the immigration angle?

We see a xenophobic “oh no! Foreigns! society in 2024.

The alternate timeline is “oh no! Aliens! society.

Those two things are clearly linked, given how The Blame Game is all about scapegoating society’s ills on “the other”, regardless of how little given problem is caused by said Other.

Lets not make the Borg into victims - at least 7 still reminds them of this now and again

It was def better than last episode mostly cos Raffy was off screen for pretty much all of it.

Damn but Orla Brady looks good for 61!

Agreed on all counts.

Last episode had a little more forward momentum. I'm hoping all the various historical ST reference aren't just for the fans and have some bearing on the actual plot.

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**AduroT**

The queen was definitely going to be Someone or there was no point in masking her. While it seems obvious now, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they pull a fake out twist at near the last minute and swap them out. Heck, maybe the queen ends up being “no one” and the mask was just to make you Think it was a someone. That’s probably giving them too much credit though.

**Overread**

Spoiler:

**beast_gts**

Picard S3 teaser

Spoiler:

(Not sure if that really deserves a spoiler, but rather be safe than sorry!)

**Overread**

Spoiler:

**H.B.M.C.**

Brent Spiner.

Odd thing to announce, given he was already in Picard Season 1 and Season 2.

Would he be playing Data again? I hope not. I found Data's send off at the end of Picard Season 1 to be really quite poignant; a good payoff to Nemesis, not that that film really earned it.

**BrianDavion**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Brent Spiner.

Odd thing to announce, given he was already in Picard Season 1 and Season 2.

Would he be playing Data again? I hope not. I found Data's send off at the end of Picard Season 1 to be really quite poignant; a good payoff to Nemesis, not that that film really earned it.

they proably just wanted to confirm he's gonna be there otherwise welll.. you know how fans are.

**Shadow Walker**

TNG crew was always my favourite - awesome news!

**AduroT**

It’s almost like they forgot he’s a robot while still talking about him being a robot.

**Shadow Walker**

AduroT wrote:
It’s almost like they forgot he’s a robot while still talking about him being a robot.

But is he not an organic robot that can be damaged, getting old, and die as any human? It kinda explains why they treat him like a living person despite knowing he is not a 'real' human anymore.

**AduroT**

I mean, there’s hyper realistic robot body that you jury rigged to still die of old age, and then there’s bleeding and heart arrhythmia and taking the robot to a medical doctor to be treated and not even telling the doctor they’re a robot. I’m not really sure you’re actually a robot at that point.

**warboss**

AduroT wrote:
It’s almost like they forgot he’s a robot while still talking about him being a robot.

Foundation for Irurobotic Syndrome confirmed! Star Trek writers playing 4.5d chess confirmed?

**Overread**

NEW PICARD!

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