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**Tiberius501**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Tiberius501 wrote:
What’s our next little could-be tidbit for everyone to beat each other up about going to be?
T6 W4 2+/2++ Aspect Warriors. I already said so.

I’d be fine with this

**cuda1179**

I'd be okay if they made Phoenix Lords T5 to make them more of the ageless monsters they are supposed to be.

**xttz**

Weapons today, tomorrow is about phoenix lords & aspect warriors

**Dudeface**

Nothing shocking there really, maybe the damage on the falcon pulse laser being so high, but that's it.

**warpedpig**

I would’ve liked to also see D Cannons and Hornet pulse lasers.

**vipoid**

I see the Shuriken Cannon continues to just be a vastly better version of the worthless piece of garbage that is the DE Splinter Cannon.

**Sarigar**

Weapon profiles.

**Dudeface**

warpedpig wrote:
I would’ve liked to also see D Cannons and Hornet pulse lasers.

Hornets aren't in the codex so won't change.

**warpedpig**

The good news would be jetbikes utility would increase. Having D2 Shuriken cannons or heavy 6 scatter lasers gives them superior functionality for wiping out horde infantry or even primaris. Throw in doom jinx and you can really threaten anything with volume of fire. Much better than before

**Voss**

Dudeface wrote:
Nothing shocking there really, maybe the damage on the falcon pulse laser being so high, but that's it.

And strength. It's a rapid fire bright lance after all, it should be trading down on S and D for the extra shots, not just being better and equivalent, respectively.

**warpedpig**

Nah. The Falcon is supposed to be the main battle tank of the Eldar isn’t it? Shouldn’t be a surprise that it would have a badass main gun. The fire prism is a bit more specialized of a heavy weapon with unique abilities and no troop transport option Wonder what it’s weapons will be for next edition. Probably also getting boosted

**Khahandran**

warpedpig wrote:
Nah. The Falcon is supposed to be the main battle tank of the Eldar isn’t it? Shouldn’t be a surprise that it would have a badass main gun. The fire prism is a bit more specialized of a heavy weapon with unique abilities and no troop transport option Wonder what it’s weapons will be for next edition. Probably also getting boosted

Been pondering about Prism when I read the change to pulse laser. I assume everything but damage will remain the same and the damage would have to change because the internal balance goes completely out of whack with these damage changes. You could put a shuriken cannon and a bright lance on a Falcon for less points than a Prism and be more flexible than the Prism.

**warpedpig**

Wave serpent with twin brightlance will be very hard to kill and hit pretty hard for anti tank. Or at a minimum with 3 Shuriken cannons will actually be a threat to primaris. I could see running three of them and three falcons for a mobile gun line that can deliver troops anywhere needed.

**Tyranid Horde**

Mechdar is looking good. S9 is a surprise but keeps it away from being too similar to bright lances.

**The Red Hobbit**

Dysartes wrote:
The Red Hobbit wrote:
Storm Guardians getting a watered down Transhuman is...strange. I was hoping they'd at least make it more Eldar specific and make it Hit related like "This model can only be hit on a roll of 1-3.

...on a 4-6, surely?

Yes sorry, wrote that one backwards.

**Twilight Pathways**

**Voss**

Well that's boring. Believability aside, that's the least interesting non-solution to not fixing aspect warriors.

**Iracundus**

The Phoenix Lord 4++ is almost to be expected for some shred of survivability, and could be chalked up to battle fate.

Is that Aspect Warrior 5++ meant to be something like a dodge save? Bland but I guess mechanically GW doesn't have much design space to work with, especially now with Initiative gone.

**warpedpig**

Getting rid of initiative really sucks. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. Hoping to get bette exarch powers as well. I am hoping the shining spear exarch is also 2+ invuln. Would be nuts if that was the base invuln. He could absorb a massive amount of fire. When he fails just CP reroll. Lol.

**Kanluwen**

Oh please.

Initiative basically mattered at one point and one point only in a game. Outside of that? It was a nothingburger of a stat, unless you were playing a weirdo army that used it instead of a normal stat.

**Grimskul**

If this is true, this indeed quite lame. It's disappointing to see GW continue to be so lazy in their rules design. Slapping a 5++ invuln on Aspect Warriors doesn't really solve a lot of their inherent issues. I guess we'll have to see their individual datasheets to know if GW actually bothered to make them good at specific roles or not.

**vipoid**

warpedpig wrote:
I am hoping the shining spear exarch is also 2+ invuln. Would be nuts if that was the base invuln. He could absorb a massive amount of fire. When he fails just CP reroll. Lol.

This sounds like something that should absolutely not be in the game.

**Gadzilla666**

I'm pretty sure that "Exarchs can have a 2+/2+" was referring to their BS/WS, not their saves.

**vipoid**

Gadzilla666 wrote:
I'm pretty sure that "Exarchs can have a 2+/2+" was referring to their BS/WS, not their saves.

Yeah, that was my assumption as well.

**Sarigar**

vipoid wrote:
Gadzilla666 wrote:
I'm pretty sure that "Exarchs can have a 2+/2+" was referring to their BS/WS, not their saves.

Yeah, that was my assumption as well.

Besides, the Shining Spear Exarch can already get a 2++ with one or two rerolls in a shooting phase.

**Voss**

Grimskul wrote:
If this is true, this indeed quite lame. It's disappointing to see GW continue to be so lazy in their rules design. Slapping a 5++ invuln on Aspect Warriors doesn't really solve a lot of their inherent issues. I guess we'll have to see their individual datasheets to know if GW actually bothered to make them good at specific roles or not.

If it is true, I want to know what GW thinks is firing at aspect warriors. For the ones with 4+ armor, I guess it matters for bolt rifles in tactical doctrine, inferno bolters and the like, but who's firing -3 AP weapons at the 3+ save aspects? That's a pretty extreme corner case to just throw a 5++ on a unit, especially if they now have to pay points for that crap.

**MinMax**

I would expect Aspect Warriors to have rules more akin to Incubi, than this randomness.

**H.B.M.C.**

Kanluwen wrote:
Oh please.

Initiative basically mattered at one point and one point only in a game. Outside of that? It was a nothingburger of a stat, unless you were playing a weirdo army that used it instead of a normal stat.

You could make the same argument about Leadership, given how many things either ignored it or boosted it to levels where it became irrelevant.

To put it another way: Just because GW never expanded the use of the stat doesn't mean it was bad to have it.

**xttz**

Voss wrote:
Grimskul wrote:
If this is true, this indeed quite lame. It's disappointing to see GW continue to be so lazy in their rules design. Slapping a 5++ invuln on Aspect Warriors doesn't really solve a lot of their inherent issues. I guess we'll have to see their individual datasheets to know if GW actually bothered to make them good at specific roles or not.

If it is true, I want to know what GW thinks is firing at aspect warriors. For the ones with 4+ armor, I guess it matters for bolt rifles in tactical doctrine, inferno bolters and the like, but who's firing -3 AP weapons at the 3+ save aspects? That's a pretty extreme corner case to just throw a 5++ on a unit, especially if they now have to pay points for that crap.

There's often several methods to improve AP on regular weapons. Just like for marines, a basic AP-1 profile can easily end up as -2 or -3 for some units. This doesn't just apply to ranged weapons either, it's hardly far fetched for aspect warriors to find themselves engaged against a power sword or rending claws.

I'll also be extremely surprised if this was the only way to improve aspect warrior protection. The invuln is just something being applied as standard to all of them, like how all Skitarii get a 6++ by default. Following the trend of other 9E codexes we could see more specific changes like Banshees built-in -1 to hit in melee now working against ranged attacks too, or Scorpions always counting as in light cover.

**Khahandran**

Spiders seem cool. A 2nd deep strike and a decent threat with their guns now.