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The poblem I see with the Phoenix Lords is, as far as we know, they use an HQ slot. I would think you would want at least 2 units of say Striking Scorpions to make the most out of Karandras' ability to grant Obsec. Is it going to be worth losing a Farseer for?

Some more leaks.

Weird implication if my reading of Crushing Blow is correct.

So the Exarch auto-wounds with melee attacks against non-Titanic targets. However his mandiblaster needs 6's on wound rolls to trigger the MW. So this seems to have the silly image of the Exarch getting so good at crushing things with his melee weapons that he completely forgets how to aim with his mandiblaster and always misses?

OK, I think I'm done with the leaks now. I'm ready to get the book in a few weeks, sit down with a bowl of coffee and just absorb.

Iracundus wrote:
Weird implication if my reading of Crushing Blow is correct.

So the Exarch auto-wounds with melee attacks against non-Titanic targets. However his mandiblaster needs 6's on wound rolls to trigger the MW. So this seems to have the silly image of the Exarch getting so good at crushing things with his melee weapons that he completely forgets how to aim with his mandiblaster and always misses?

If its deliberate its a trade off between uncertain potent damage and certain less potent damage.

And weirdly, none of the phoenix lords seem to have exarch powers, despite ostensibly inventing them...

 bullyboy wrote:
OK, I think I'm done with the leaks now. I'm ready to get the book in a few weeks, sit down with a bowl of coffee and just absorb.

We have had so many leaks, spread over weeks, I get where you are coming from. I just want to sit down, and read the codex cover to cover to get the whole picture and absorb it.

But I’m personally still going to lap up all the crumbs of info we get as they drop.

Huh. The restraint on the exploding hits not transferring to mandiblasters is interesting to see. Probably a good thing considering the 4A per model.

I wonder if its intended that scorpion's sting allows mandiblasters to affect monsters. Baseline they don't, but they aren't excepted if you take that power, in addition to moving the MW to 5+

Voss wrote:
I wonder if its intended that scorpion's sting allows mandiblasters to affect monsters. Baseline they don't, but they aren't excepted if you take that power, in addition to moving the MW to 5+

The blurb says the Exarch is adept at aiming for the most vulnerable portions of any enemy so I take that to imply that affecting monsters was intended.

Additional info re exarch powers:

Apparently you can only take each one once and an exarch can only have one.

So you can't spam the same power across multiple units.

Nice to see the Scorpions going up to base 3 Attacks, Mandiblasters have gotten a significant improvement as well.

 Hellebore wrote:
Additional info re exarch powers:

Apparently you can only take each one once and an exarch can only have one.

So you can't spam the same power across multiple units.

That's pretty important. It seems like they were a lot better with this dex and some of the safety levers around this kind of stuff. Hopefully this means the dex ends up strong, but balanced.

 Hellebore wrote:
Some more leaks.

Nice to see the proof readers keeping up the good work - the scorpion exarch pictured on the datasheet now has an illegal loadout

I take that as a sign new models are in the pipe, possibly event ready and awaiting a different release window.

 Sasori wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:
Additional info re exarch powers:

Apparently you can only take each one once and an exarch can only have one.

So you can't spam the same power across multiple units.

That's pretty important. It seems like they were a lot better with this dex and some of the safety levers around this kind of stuff. Hopefully this means the dex ends up strong, but balanced.

I mean here is the thing. 10 Fire Dragons with Auto Wounding Fusion weapons at 9 inches riding in their Wave Serpent Clown Car is going to be terrifying, even if I can only take the power once. They're going to roll up, get out and explode a Knight or equilivent guaranteed with Beil-Tan Battle Focus and that reroll.

Where can I find the Fire Dragon info?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Where can I find the Fire Dragon info?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8l5V-ZoQSU&t=405s

Swopping hawks and baharroth or "how to print your own victory points"

Skyleap and Cloudstrider are bonkers powerful abilities for playing the objective game. Especially with an exarch that can prevent/cancel actions.

Move your 14", shoot something then leap out to safety somewhere else on the board. Unlike similar abilities like Pteraxii booster jump they can do it every turn because they leave and arrive in the same turn.

Wait…..Swooping Hawks don’t suck???

I need a lie down.

GW's been trying for the suppressing role for Hawks for many editions now. However in the past with their old S3 weapons, the enemy could often just ignore their fire, and it was rare for anyone to fail their Pinning test. So now it seems action interruption and ObSec will be how GW goes about it.

Sky leap seems useful, a fun way to keep your opponent on their toes with a super mobile reserve with some fairly decent anti-infantry fire.

 Turnip Jedi wrote:
Hawks, Grenades, Stratagem, that is all...

tin foil theory confirmed...And maybe new mini's without said grenade packs...

So, GW makes swooping hawks very OP, people buy the finecast models, shrinking the current inventory, and allowing GW to release a nicer plastic kit eventually.

It's brilliant, brilliant, brilliant! Genius, I say!

Holy gak they made Hawks good.

Damn, the current Swooping Hawks models are terrible though! I wouldn't be getting them regardless of how amazing the rules were. The ancient original ones were way better.

My 2nd edition swooping hawks are excited.

While these Exarch powers are cool (and in some cases incredibly strong), does anyone else feel that the pts cost for some of them (30 pts!?) is a bit much.

I mean thats the same or more than what SM HQ are paying to become a super healer/super librarian/super chap, and those are 5+ wound toughness 4 models (with a whole lot of other stuff going on).

These Exarchs are 2-wound toughness 3. Seems a bit expensive to me is all.

So... the Swooping Hawk Grenade Pack, assuming it still even exists, is going to be a strat?

EldarExarch wrote:
While these Exarch powers are cool (and in some cases incredibly strong), does anyone else feel that the pts cost for some of them (30 pts!?) is a bit much.

I mean thats the same or more than what SM HQ are paying to become a super healer/super librarian/super chap, and those are 5+ wound toughness 4 models (with a whole lot of other stuff going on).

These Exarchs are 2-wound toughness 3. Seems a bit expensive to me is all.

It’s a lot harder to snipe out the exarchs, so they are more unit upgrades than characters.

I agree that they seem pricy, but it’s not like they are just going to cop a bolter round first turn and go down like a chump. And we don’t have challenges to single them out of the squad anymore.