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trexmeyer wrote:
You're ignoring that humans have always been at the forefront of Star Wars and also served as canon's primary colonizers and imperealists. They've been consistently depicted as the dominant, or at least preeminent, race in the galaxy. Even media that could easily have non-human leads has humans as primary characters and aliens are secondary. The dominance of humans was actually addressed in the EU at one point: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Diversity_Alliance. For whatever reason, Disney decided with the ST to keep making human-centric stories. Even The Mandalorian is somewhat guilty of this...outside of Grogu I can't easily recall a significant non-human character from that series.

The White Savior trope doesn't apply 1:1 to any of Star Wars. It can't. It's a different universe with different cultures and a different history. If you reduce that trope down to enlightened, privileged outsider educates and aids "primitives" than it is absolutely applicable in the case of Boba Fett. He's a perfect clone of Jango Fett, one of the best bounty hunters of his time. Jango was wealthy, well-armed, and worked directly with Count Dooku. Boba Fett worked directly for Darth Vader at least once, meaning that he, at least, temporarily served a fascist regime that has consistently been shown to be human-centric and oppressive of aliens. The rare exceptions to that are when the Empire made use of alien inquisitors out of necessity and Grand Admiral Thrawn.

Watching Greedo's shameless execution by the human corsair never sat right with me.

The whole series should have been about his family's search for justice, instead of this glorification of human domination of an entire galaxy. It's a story about 2 groups duking it out for the right to oppress literally everyone else everywhere, not some formative myth to be celebrated.

Any creative enterprise dealing in these tropes is supremacist and should be condemned.

 techsoldaten wrote:
Watching Greedo's shameless execution by the human corsair never sat right with me.

The whole series should have been about his family's search for justice, instead of this glorification of human domination of an entire galaxy. It's a story about 2 groups duking it out for the right to oppress literally everyone else everywhere, not some formative myth to be celebrated.

Any creative enterprise dealing in these tropes is supremacist and should be condemned.

Poe's Law prevents me from ascertaining whether you are agreeing with trexmeyer, or just mocking him.

I don't know but I'd totally watch a sitcom about Greedo's family's unrelenting and bumbling quest for revenge against *checks description* 'some pink mammal melon-fether and a giant Ewok'

 LordofHats wrote:
I don't know but I'd totally watch a sitcom about Greedo's family's unrelenting and bumbling quest for revenge against *checks description* 'some pink mammal melon-fether and a giant Ewok'

His uncle shows up in SotE and doesn't care that Han killed Greedo.

Chapter 3

I’m realizing just how sad Boba’s claim to being in charge really is. Like you’d think when he killed Bibb he’d have taken over the operation. Instead it was just him and Fennec. He just kind of showed up by himself and said I own everything now with no organization or backing of any kind. He’s just hollow.

Im down with the designs of the mod gang on their own, but the idea of them seems poor. Poor street kids with no jobs who can’t even afford water, but did pay who knows how much for all those fancy shiny cybernetics and shiny custom speeders. They look very out of place for their surroundings.

Machete showing up and espousing how loving and emotional Rancors really are is just golden.

The action scenes, both the fight and the chase, seemed quite poor to me.

Overall this episode is where I’m really starting to lose interest in this series.

I quite like that the action isn’t filmed in blur-o-vision, and we can quite easily follow who’s hitting who and with what.

Sure, but the hits don’t seem to matter. I mean sure action show fight, but when a wookie with electrified metal spikes on his knuckles punches someone in the face, I expect that to leave a mark. Dude gets stabbed four times, barely an inconvenience. Only one single attack seemed to have any lasting effect at all.

I see what you mean. Could be down to Robert Rodriguez being restrained by what’s allowed to be shown?

I know he’s done the Spy Kids films, so has done kid friendly stuff. But I know him from his more R rated silliness.

Star Wars falls somewhere between the two in terms what can and can’t be shown. Violence is an inherent part of it, but barring Ponda Baba’s severed arm, you don’t tend to see blood nor bruising overall.

Wow. Those are very slow speeders.

Well, they are Space Mopeds, not exactly a vehicle noted for top speed. A fact which seems to consistently escape the local scrotes, who will insist on gunning their mobile hair dryer’s engines into the wee small hours.

I had a few issues with the space mod gang, mainly because of the strong "urban youth" associations that mods have to me. These were a bunch of london council estate brats in the middle of a desert city, southern English accents and all.

For me it was somewhat suspension breaking them being on a mostly rural/wilderness Tatooine when they'd be a much better fit for, say, Coruscant, or Corellia or some other urbanised planet. As it was, it felt as jarring as if they'd been early 90's gang bangers with do rags, baggy trousers and space R&B playing on a floating beat-box and stong Brooklyn accents.

the chase also suffered a little for me, mainly because i kept thinking "your in a FLYING CAR, why dont you try and raise your altitude so you can get some speed up?" I get that not all speeders can but we know plenty do (see: attack of the clones speeder chase), and i would have liked the speeder driver to at least TRY and gain altitude, or otherwise show he couldn't so we understand that hes limited to the ground, or sufficient overhead cover that trying to go high would be pointless.

semi-related side note, I know the space palanquin the Twins sit on bothered a few people for not having enough bearers for the apparent weight, but thats something that didnt bother me as its in a setting with widespread use of anti-grav, and systems small enough to fit into the palanquin would not be out of the question. the bearers arent taking most of the weight, they are their as part of the display of power the palanquin shows.

Right. I’m not opposed to the idea of a mod street gang, but for down on their luck kids in a poor dirty desert town, all their tech was so shiny and clean and new looking, right down to their matching custom cherry power ranger speeders.

It’s how Mods were though. Their rides took precedence.

This show is CRUSHING the mando series. Episode 2 + 3 really took it

Really good so far!

I completely forgot this was on today.

What does that say?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I completely forgot this was on today.

What does that say?

That's OK. It went full farce today. To the point that it made Dexter Jettser's 50s Roller-Droid Diner look like a serious attempt at cinematography.

But hey, at least it set the stupid storylines from the first two episodes on fire and just moved on.
Now I'm confused why the 'real story' needed 3 episodes of set-up and red herrings.

 AduroT wrote:
I’m realizing just how sad Boba’s claim to being in charge really is. Like you’d think when he killed Bibb he’d have taken over the operation. Instead it was just him and Fennec. He just kind of showed up by himself and said I own everything now with no organization or backing of any kind. He’s just hollow.

Yeah. I... don't know how they sold this show. I get the basic premise is interesting to people (Be Fett, Do Crime), but the implementation is utterly gak.
Take the worst Mobster movie you can think of, add weird asides into other genres for no reason and no resolution and added in the Emperor's New Clothes fable (or the stories about the Emperor of San Francisco).

Robert Rodriguez has done some decent films.
For whatever reason he has been dreadful with Star Wars. He's 1/3 and The Mandalorian episode he directed looked cheap.
I don't like Good Guy Fett. Vespa Gang was awful. How did that get approved?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s how Mods were though. Their rides took precedence.

I'm pretty sure that's not the point AduroT is making. They don't match the setting (or the color palette of the show). It'd be like doing a london gang show with actual cowboys.

Wow. Weird. 1960's cyberpunk meets mob meandering. If they had had ex imperial speeders that were bashed up that might explain something, but all of a sudden saying you can have the $100,000 men in a universe that until now uses unaugumented soldiers makes zero sense.

But Rancors just want love.

60's stars wars, what Lucas dreamt of when he was little.

Plus anyone with a British accent would have been executed as an Imperial by now surely?

Felt like two episodes mashed together...some great bits and some really WTF bits. Still overall enjoying it though...just hope the robot fetishism rainbow coloured Speeder gang get bumped off quick.

Probably the most interesting thing in the episode is the oblique Old Republic reference: 'the Kintan Striders,' the Nikto (species) bike gang. The 'Kintan Kings' were a Nikto swoop (bike) gang on Nar Shaddaa.

'Kintans' in general are a rancor-like (but smaller) animal(ish) species (with some tool use), or big lizard-gorillas with chest faces depending on how you want to look at them. First appearance is actually in New Hope, as one of the unnamed Holo-chess pieces.

This show has been great so far, I'm really enjoying it, more so than the Mandalorian. I wasn't expecting the Rancor to make an appearance in the show, mostly because Jabba the Hutt used it as a tool of terror and torture in order to keep his subjects in line and retain power. But here we are given another view of the creature, which I really like. They're just big doggos.

The street kids were a pleasant surprise, a friend at work described them too me this morning before I got to see the show and she made them sound way, way worse than they are. In fact I think there is a lot of potential for the characters. Black Brrsantan was great, really hoping he comes back and wants to fly with the crew.

I am starting to wonder if Chelli Aphra is going to either make an appearance or be at the very least name dropped like they did for the Witches of Dathomir.

But anyways, reading online discussions about it has taught me an important lesson...

People over analyze this stuff, treating it as if it's some all important topic that must be picked apart and held up to a lens made mostly out of real world glass...It's fiction, entertainment. Enjoy it how you wish, but Jesus a lot of you are full of yourselves with some of these opinions.

this was the most "star wars is for kids" episode of both Mandalorian and Boba Fett so far, slap stick trope car chase with whatever those totally out of place "gang" members were.

Murder Furry was cool though, hope he comes back

 Formosa wrote:
this was the most "star wars is for kids" episode of both Mandalorian and Boba Fett so far, slap stick trope car chase with whatever those totally out of place "gang" members were.

Murder Furry was cool though, hope he comes back

Agree, the car chase was so poor, and slow, are you really telling me those speeders and bikes can only go 30-40mph?

Black Krrsantan was cool, but then fairly easily dealt with in the end also, it felt like a waste.

Lastly, I'm not sure I enjoy star wars without the space travel, and different worlds etc... Tatooine is cool and all, but we have seen a hell of a lot of it. Boba taking on, or trying to take over Crimson Dawn would have been a cooler concept imo.

Oh well....

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:

Lastly, I'm not sure I enjoy star wars without the space travel, and different worlds etc... Tatooine is cool and all, but we have seen a hell of a lot of it. Boba taking on, or trying to take over Crimson Dawn would have been a cooler concept imo.

Well, if there's a bright center of the universe, you're on the planet closest to that core. Literally everything happens here.

I'm calling it. The crime syndicate that the twins don't want to fight is Dark Sun and we are getting Prince Xizor reveal in the last episode.

I kind of assume it’s Crimson Dawn since all the Star Wars comics have been obsessed with them lately.

 Lance845 wrote:
I'm calling it. The crime syndicate that the twins don't want to fight is Dark Sun and we are getting Prince Xizor reveal in the last episode.

Not the Pykes? I mean, lets have some conservation of enemies and plotlines. No need to buildup yet another conflict then drop it to switch to a completely different one again.
Its only a 7 episode show, after all.

It's Starwars Street man. The more people we can bring in for nostalgia purposes and make everyone have them meet everyone else the more likely it is to happen. Darth Maul is also dead by this point. So minimal chance of some Starwars streeting.