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there’s No Way he chooses the Saber. All the effort of the Grogu dome, the chainmail, it would all be for naught. Plus there’s no way that puppet can convincingly wield one. They’d have to go full cgi with a sudden stark change in Grogu’s range of movement and dexterity. He’s just Way too stiff otherwise.
Note that I’m not having a pop or criticising those who became invested in Legends Boba. But I think it is something we need to keep in mind.
Meh. I don't give a feth about Legends Boba. I don't even like the cult that popped up around Movie Boba. This is just been a gakky attempt at a character show.
Togusa wrote:I think part of the issue here is that people keep looking at this as if this stuff is all separated.
It's not.
You've got it backwards. It _should_ be separated. Its a big galaxy- a 'wide world existing in balance' as this episode says. But the show limits it to a gakky little neighborhood with the same people over and over again.
@AduroT-
Nope. Same writer Favreau supposedly wrote them all (though Filoni helped on 6, apparently)
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Episode itself---
yawn. Crime lording set aside yet again, this time for the same old boring Jedi gak...
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with the same false choices. Glad to see Luke didn't learn anything.
The most entertaining parts were watching Luke's CGI slip off when the actor moved too much. Totally different face under there.
The ant-droids were an interesting concept, but seemed out of place as workers building a Jedi academy for Luke.
They _really_ need to give Grogu a voice. Luke's approach seemed more like breaking a foal to harness than training a student. Not for any terrible reason, but the lack of a voice (or any other communication skill, like signs or writing) makes it seem that Grogu doesn't have the ability to comprehend the concepts and choices he's being confronted with, and asked to deal with
Ahsoka and Luke had a weird dynamic. Even if Rosario looks nothing like her, its still too easy to think of her as a kid. Not the older advisor to a still-pretty-young Luke.
Second half was... better.
On the Marshal
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subtitles on makes it interesting. As they cut away someone says 'Something's wrong with the Marshal,' which is a stupid line since he's been shot, but it definitely implies he's alive.
But despite Din showing up, the fascinating part is this happened because of the Marshal's own actions- Seeing the Pykes off amongst the moisture vaporators.
Glad fragments of plot finally staggered along.
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Second favorite episode so far for me. Also, I'm sure purely coincidently it's also the second least Boba filled episode of his titular show. Luke's de-aging CGI has significantly improved since Mando s2's finale.
I do enjoy watching the youthification software improve in relative real time.
From Rogue One to this episode you can see clear improvements.
It’s not exactly out of uncanny valley, but it’s definitely less noticeable.
I’m still dubious about reports of studios making new “James Dean” movies etc, which I consider to be ghoulish and exploitative. Recreating a deceased actors likeness for something like Tarkin is a bit different, as they originally played that character and the remaining family gave their blessing. Likewise using it to put Leia in RoS. But making whole new movies is just….too creepy for me.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also….more speculation.
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Funny how just as things kick off on Tattooine? We see Grogu given a choice between family or training.
What’s the betting that, picking the Beskar, Luke takes the wee dude to Tattooine, and helps save the day?
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Good episode, things are finally picking up and Boba and Fennek had almost no screen time. I see a pattern here.
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Cad Bane was a total curve ball, but he will introduce some much needed tension and well...violence into what seemed mostly like a soap opera until now. I thought his mouth was particularly well done, even though it's quite the departure from the clone wars animation.
I'm also pleasantly surprised about fake Luke. It's not perfect by all means, but at this point it's good enough for me. Lip synch was a bit off at times, so they need to keep an eye out for that, but otherwise the parts with Grogu and Luke had me grinning like an idiot.
I'd be down for more of it, but my bets are on Grogu taking the mail, considering its worth is greater than the value of the shire. Jokes aside, and that's my only complaint this time around, they could've done anything else with that beskar and it would've been a better choice. If they have the audacity to have Grogu shot and surviving because of that thing, I will have to smash something with a hammer.
Does his football head even fit through the hole? *grumpy old people noises*
Despite their valiant efforts Boba’s efforts fail, and all the main named dudes are captured/cornered. Their execution is imminent. Suddenly there’s a commotion from outside, sounds of a fight and Pykes screaming. Silence. A shadow fills the doorway. The Pykes inside tremble and brace from fear. The mysterious figure approaches, and as they do so the shadow shrinks down until it is revealed as none other than Grogu alone. The Pykes visibly relax and even chuckle at the appearance of this tiny child. Then Grogu sees the injured Din, and the Pykes aren’t laughing anymore. They’re never doing much of anything ever again.
Probably more likely than Boba himself doing anything of note. I think we've seen more satisfying crime lord action from him in the post credits Mando s2 scene than in his own show over a half dozen episodes.
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there’s No Way he chooses the Saber. All the effort of the Grogu dome, the chainmail, it would all be for naught. Plus there’s no way that puppet can convincingly wield one. They’d have to go full cgi with a sudden stark change in Grogu’s range of movement and dexterity. He’s just Way too stiff otherwise.
Further on this...
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Yeah, its too telegraphed into the show's setup. But also, consider the Training Remote. We've generally seen it being used for lightsaber training, with little pew-pew deflection noises. Luke was using it to train Grogu in dodging, but it ended with the little dude eviscerating its mechanisms directly with the Force. Luke bizarrely doesn't really react to that (he seems too lost in his own head, with his mind not on what he was doing... ie training his first apprentice).
The Force, for Grogu, seems all about desire. What he wants (to eat) and what he wants to stop (anything that threatens him or anyone he cares about, which so far is just Mando)
there’s No Way he chooses the Saber. All the effort of the Grogu dome, the chainmail, it would all be for naught. Plus there’s no way that puppet can convincingly wield one. They’d have to go full cgi with a sudden stark change in Grogu’s range of movement and dexterity. He’s just Way too stiff otherwise.
Further on this...
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Yeah, its too telegraphed into the show's setup. But also, consider the Training Remote. We've generally seen it being used for lightsaber training, with little pew-pew deflection noises. Luke was using it to train Grogu in dodging, but it ended with the little dude eviscerating its mechanisms directly with the Force. Luke bizarrely doesn't really react to that (he seems too lost in his own head, with his mind not on what he was doing... ie training his first apprentice).
The Force, for Grogu, seems all about desire. What he wants (to eat) and what he wants to stop (anything that threatens him or anyone he cares about, which so far is just Mando)
to carry on the spoilered convo
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for all his skill as a force user, we must remember that gorgu is still, by the reckoning of his own race and human standards, a child. he has a childish understanding of things. its hard to judge the apparent mental age he is, since he cant talk and clearly express concepts, but he's able to follow and understand spoken english pretty well (at least when it suits him). we know that anakin was "too old" at 9, so we can infer he must be effectively "younger" than that. the younglings in the temple seemed to be about 5-7, so maybe that mental age range?
Either way, hes far to young to be anything other self-centred and about desire. i mean, how many 7 year olds would say no to a gift? almost none, at least unless they percieved some strings attached.
but i agree he's very likely to opt for the armour. theirs too much build-up for it to be otherwise, so he'll be Djinns partner in the N-1 for mando season 3.
I agree the face changing tech is getting better at a frankly frightening pace. how long before we get to doing this in semi-realtime? how long before we get to the point of not being able to trust video feeds anymore because of the chance of manipulation?
Anyway, the current limits on the tech are forcing "Luke" into somewhat passive role, which actually kinda suits him now hes moving into becoming a "master" of his own.
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there’s No Way he chooses the Saber. All the effort of the Grogu dome, the chainmail, it would all be for naught. Plus there’s no way that puppet can convincingly wield one. They’d have to go full cgi with a sudden stark change in Grogu’s range of movement and dexterity. He’s just Way too stiff otherwise.
Further on this...
Spoiler:
Yeah, its too telegraphed into the show's setup. But also, consider the Training Remote. We've generally seen it being used for lightsaber training, with little pew-pew deflection noises. Luke was using it to train Grogu in dodging, but it ended with the little dude eviscerating its mechanisms directly with the Force. Luke bizarrely doesn't really react to that (he seems too lost in his own head, with his mind not on what he was doing... ie training his first apprentice).
The Force, for Grogu, seems all about desire. What he wants (to eat) and what he wants to stop (anything that threatens him or anyone he cares about, which so far is just Mando)
to carry on the spoilered convo
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for all his skill as a force user, we must remember that gorgu is still, by the reckoning of his own race and human standards, a child. he has a childish understanding of things. its hard to judge the apparent mental age he is, since he cant talk and clearly express concepts, but he's able to follow and understand spoken english pretty well (at least when it suits him). we know that anakin was "too old" at 9, so we can infer he must be effectively "younger" than that. the younglings in the temple seemed to be about 5-7, so maybe that mental age range?
Either way, hes far to young to be anything other self-centred and about desire. i mean, how many 7 year olds would say no to a gift? almost none, at least unless they percieved some strings attached.
but i agree he's very likely to opt for the armour. theirs too much build-up for it to be otherwise, so he'll be Djinns partner in the N-1 for mando season 3.
I agree the face changing tech is getting better at a frankly frightening pace. how long before we get to doing this in semi-realtime? how long before we get to the point of not being able to trust video feeds anymore because of the chance of manipulation?
Anyway, the current limits on the tech are forcing "Luke" into somewhat passive role, which actually kinda suits him now hes moving into becoming a "master" of his own.
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Keep in mind he was taken in before the Empire was even founded, and we don’t know for how long. Kid’s likely Way stronger than we’ve already seen. Luke said he wasn’t teaching him, just helping him to remember his previous training. And that flashback? He most likely saved himself, plastering clones across the hallway walls. The violence of it frightening himself and giving him ptsd memory block. Didn’t Ahsoka say she sensed darkness in him?
Graphite wrote: Those Jawas got themselves a SERIOUS hood ornament
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You can only choose one
Only the Sith deal in absolutes
You've really got to get out of this way of thinking, Jedi
I really do like how these new shows are making the effort to show these other aliens, that traditionally were just tropes and moving targets as people. In ANH we saw the Tuskens as savages killing for...for something. But here, we've seen they have a pretty complex culture and are highly adaptable. Jawas aren't thieves, they're very resourceful and very good at finding things, even if they do sometimes take it without compensating.
I'm also pleasantly surprised about fake Luke. It's not perfect by all means, but at this point it's good enough for me. Lip synch was a bit off at times, so they need to keep an eye out for that, but otherwise the parts with Grogu and Luke had me grinning like an idiot.
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On the lip synching... Luke's lips moved a little weird at times in Empire and Jedi as well, due to his scar. So I didn't really notice any syncing issues, just the odd moments where the face wasn't quite right. But it's no worse overall than the more active Grogu being increasingly puppet-like, which I can also excuse given that Yoda is equally puppet-ish to watch now.
Despite their valiant efforts Boba’s efforts fail, and all the main named dudes are captured/cornered. Their execution is imminent. Suddenly there’s a commotion from outside, sounds of a fight and Pykes screaming. Silence. A shadow fills the doorway. The Pykes inside tremble and brace from fear. The mysterious figure approaches, and as they do so the shadow shrinks down until it is revealed as none other than Grogu alone. The Pykes visibly relax and even chuckle at the appearance of this tiny child. Then Grogu sees the injured Din, and the Pykes aren’t laughing anymore. They’re never doing much of anything ever again.
So his elite crack squad to take on the Pyke Syndicate amounts to:
Boba "Better when I'm Not Here" Fett Fennec "Let me re-explain the plot" Shand Din "Doing it for Free" Djarin Black "Failed to Kill My Target When He Was Sleeping" Krrsantan ... and special guest stars Sophie "I've Had Maybe Two Lines?" Thatcher and the Mos Espa Vespas!!!
If not for the presence of Mando, I'm pretty sure Cad could take all of them himself.
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Is it at all possible that the team didn't want a Boba Fett show, but Disney really did, and since that's what Disney has approved a budget for, Jon and Dave just said hell with it and did the bare minimum to get by, while putting more focus on doing what they really wanted, which was the Mandalorian with Luke and Grogu?
I really feels something like that to be honest. I don't know if it's executive meddling or if halfway into filming they realized they didn't know what to do with Boba. Or maybe they intended for Boba to only be a 3-4 episode deal found it very boring and then decided to add in Mando?
I don't know what happened but there's definitely some behind-the-scenes drama on this one. It's not even up to the same quality as the sequel films honestly. Those are, at their very worst, fun to hate. The first four episodes of this show were just bad and I'd proposed that offensively bad media is better than media so bad you just can't be bothered to care about it. At least the offensively bad stuff gets a reaction and makes you think, even if it's all negative XD
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LordofHats wrote: I really feels something like that to be honest. I don't know if it's executive meddling or if halfway into filming they realized they didn't know what to do with Boba. Or maybe they intended for Boba to only be a 3-4 episode deal found it very boring and then decided to add in Mando?
I don't know what happened but there's definitely some behind-the-scenes drama on this one. It's not even up to the same quality as the sequel films honestly. Those are, at their very worst, fun to hate. The first four episodes of this show were just bad and I'd proposed that offensively bad media is better than media so bad you just can't be bothered to care about it. At least the offensively bad stuff gets a reaction and makes you think, even if it's all negative XD
Disclaimer. I thoroughly enjoyed Episodes 1-6 of Book of Boba Fett. So we will have to disagree there.
But these last two episodes have just been top-down bangers in terms of giving me the Star Wars I've wanted to see since I was 11 and had just finished RoTJ.
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To contradict what I said earlier. If Disney would just handle this like a big show, and do 24-1 HOUR long episodes per season.
Trying to cram massive universe building and character development into 8 episodes at 30-50 minutes randomly per episode just doesn't cut it.
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I've noticed the weakest entries to this show were directed by Robert Rodriguez. I don't know if he just sucks or what, most of these episodes were written by Favreau though.
This show has really diverged from what I thought it was going to be, and arguably what it should have been. Granted the last 2 episodes were solid, but I feel like I just watched a series that started as one thing and they threw up their hands and said frack this, this aint working out...bring back what works.
And this really sucks cause of the potential of what could have been. I can't get over the slave 1 basically leaning down and staring into the maw of the sarlacc. It's akin to staring down the barrel of a gun to see if it's loaded, just stupid.
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hotsauceman1 wrote: So let me get this stright.
Luke can have Attachments to Han, Leia, his nephew, his teacher....
But Grogu cant have Din?
To be fair, he appears to have ditched them at this point… But yeah, the attachments thing like a lot of Jedi stuff just doesn’t make sense. Like how Only Sith deal in absolutes is itself an absolute statement.
Graphite wrote:Those Jawas got themselves a SERIOUS hood ornament
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You can only choose one
Only the Sith deal in absolutes
You've really got to get out of this way of thinking, Jedi
I did love the pimped sand crawler!
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I’m wondering whether it’s a trap/trick by Luke; a false choice to teach a lesson? I haven’t read any of the old EU, but my impression was that Luke changed the Jedi teachings to recognise that trying to deny all attachment was what led to Anakin’s downfall. And it was Luke’s attachment to his father and sister that allowed him to turn Vader back.”
Togusa wrote:Triple-wrapped Tin-Foil Hat Time:
Is it at all possible that the team didn't want a Boba Fett show, but Disney really did, and since that's what Disney has approved a budget for, Jon and Dave just said hell with it and did the bare minimum to get by, while putting more focus on doing what they really wanted, which was the Mandalorian with Luke and Grogu?
I have to say, the last couple of episodes have felt more like “Tales of the New Republic”. And you know what, I’m fine with that. I don’t think anyone has fully explored what streaming can allow you to do differently with media, but with Mando/BoB and the MCU series, I think Disney are starting to. I would love to see a sandbox series that has a whole stock of characters, organisations and locations that can be used to tell different stories. Call them books, chapters, whatever, but this month Tales of the New Republic is a set of 25 minute wham-bam adventures with Din-Djarin on various bounties. Next month the same show can be a couple of movie length, darker episodes with Ashoka hunting down imperial remnants experimenting to clone Palpatine, etc. etc. Technology like the Volume and the CGI they’ve got can only help this.
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hotsauceman1 wrote: So let me get this stright.
Luke can have Attachments to Han, Leia, his nephew, his teacher....
But Grogu cant have Din?
Yeah, it's... weird. Like, Old Jedi would have been "Darth fell to the dark side because of his attachment to Padme!" But, I mean, if you'd just let him have a normal relationship that he wasn't hiding, that's something Palp couldn't have exploited. Hell, they could have gone to the Jedi Academy ATM on Corusant, got some cash and straight up bought his mum. That would have saved a whole world of trouble!
The Jedi seem fine with having friends (even non Jedi) - Obi Wan seems to have pals all over the place. The guy who runs the dinner, for example.
Heck, Alec Guinness' "And he was a good friend" in ANH could retrospectively look like "we kind of screwed this up".
"You must have no attachments" is a way to get weird, broken people.
Heck, Luke's "Oh Noes Ben has the Dark Side choppy choppy wait what am I doing" would likely be avoided and thinking "this is my nephew" before "this is my student"
I wonder if that's what Ashoka meant when she said that he was like his father. There's conflict in Luke between doing what he thinks is right, and doing what he's been told I'd right.
(Also, hope the two of them had plenty of time for a long off screen talk. There are a lot of blanks Ashoka can fill in about Luke's family)
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