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Doohicky wrote: My worry/hope is that cult troops are being taken out as weapons/stats/skills are changing and they have to ignore what is in cult books.
They are going full seperation.
The accursed weapons are an example of this. Maybe they will also, like SMs discover rending ammunition for their bolters on standard troops.
Maybe these guys will have traits on all their vehicles!!!!
I say hope/fear because I think they need that separation otherwise hands are tied by the cult codex and improvements can't be made, hence the hope.
The fear is exact same thing, but means my DG are really going to be left behind by the creep.
I can understand removing cult units, not that I like it mind. I play all of CSM factions, Cult units should be best when used from there faction (PM's in Death Guard), then god aligned faction (the purge) than in any faction (Black Legion), but with the leaks/rumours we have seen they will out perform DG/TS simply by getting doctrines. Yes they have a few strats to buff them, but that costs CP usually better spent elsewhere.
I'd rather they keep the cult units, but it becomes a massive pain to keep them balanced across books.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: I'm fully ready for the new Codex to remove every single Pistol option for the Warpsmith, except the single one the new model has in the box.
A bunch of charismatic egotistical maniacs, strictly following equipment regimen and logistics...
spot the problem.
Sam btw with DE but what do i know.
Anyways, i am still curious if only cultists get shafted via no trait or if all mortal members that will come out get the GW treatment.
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With every new rumour I am thinking to throw my big chaos armies in the thrash. I am so tired to be the punching bag with flavorless rules. Accursed weapons? They already done this in AoS. They will do it again.
Lord_Valorion wrote: With every new rumour I am thinking to throw my big chaos armies in the thrash. I am so tired to be the punching bag with flavorless rules. Accursed weapons? They already done this in AoS. They will do it again.
Ship it to me, I'll make sure to dispose of them properly!
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: I'm fully ready for the new Codex to remove every single Pistol option for the Warpsmith, except the single one the new model has in the box.
A bunch of charismatic egotistical maniacs, strictly following equipment regimen and logistics...
spot the problem.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: I'm fully ready for the new Codex to remove every single Pistol option for the Warpsmith, except the single one the new model has in the box.
A bunch of charismatic egotistical maniacs, strictly following equipment regimen and logistics...
spot the problem.
Sam btw with DE but what do i know.
Anyways, i am still curious if only cultists get shafted via no trait or if all mortal members that will come out get the GW treatment.
The "problem" is the rules writers apparently don't talk with the fluff writers. More evidence can be found in that they've apparently decided that the only veterans in a CSM army are Chosen, and that if all of this is true they're railroading all of the Legions into taking Marks, again, despite having some variation on the line of "the 8th Legion do not appear to worship any one of the Chaos Gods, and see their more dedicated brethren as weaklings, fools, etc" in every single Codex. Same old, same old.
Oh well, back to questions:
@clockworkchris9: Anything on our psychic powers? Do they remain the same? What about the Mark locked powers? Is the Chaos Familiar stratagem still in the codex, and if so, has it changed in any way?
Edit: Also, the leaked loadout options for units haven't included anything about the Aspiring Champion options. Are these still separate from the rest of the squad? Or included in those options?
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I'm going to press X to doubt LC becoming a generic weapon. Either the source missed something or the rumor is wrong. Otherwise Warp Talons become a visual disconnect or they themselves get the generic weapon, too.
Daedalus81 wrote: I'm going to press X to doubt LC becoming a generic weapon. Either the source missed something or the rumor is wrong. Otherwise Warp Talons become a visual disconnect or they themselves get the generic weapon, too.
Whilst I don't disagree, it's not like marines don't have power sword, master crafted power swords & various other random blades with power nodes attached which all share a very similar if not identical visual profile with different rules.
Daedalus81 wrote: I'm going to press X to doubt LC becoming a generic weapon. Either the source missed something or the rumor is wrong. Otherwise Warp Talons become a visual disconnect or they themselves get the generic weapon, too.
Rumour monger already said the Accursed Weapons are only for Chosen and Termies.
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Guys this has already been stated to be a leak that i myself cannot validate, could we stop posting that we need to take this with salt and that you dont believe it or that you have doubts. Its redundant and serves no purpose, instead lets just talk about our opinions on the actual leaks.
clockworkchris9 wrote: Guys this has already been stated to be a leak that i myself cannot validate, could we stop posting that we need to take this with salt and that you dont believe it or that you have doubts. Its redundant and serves no purpose, instead lets just talk about our opinions on the actual leaks.
Daedalus81 wrote: I'm going to press X to doubt LC becoming a generic weapon. Either the source missed something or the rumor is wrong. Otherwise Warp Talons become a visual disconnect or they themselves get the generic weapon, too.
Rumour monger already said the Accursed Weapons are only for Chosen and Termies.
Yea, that would still be quite weird to have models with weapons that are visibly the same, but operate differently.
Daedalus81 wrote: I'm going to press X to doubt LC becoming a generic weapon. Either the source missed something or the rumor is wrong. Otherwise Warp Talons become a visual disconnect or they themselves get the generic weapon, too.
Rumour monger already said the Accursed Weapons are only for Chosen and Termies.
Yea, that would still be quite weird to have models with weapons that are visibly the same, but operate differently.
That has basically been a thing since I started 40k/fantasy in 5th/8th edition respectively, made worse with each as time went on. As pointed out above, power sword vs master-crafted power sword vs relic power sword. Then you've got weapons that visibly look very different, but operate the same. Like chaos chainswords vs astartes chainswords. But astartes chainswords (as seen on tactical marines, assault marines) vs other imperial chainswords (as seen in IG) also operate differently! But IG chainswords and Eldar chainswords operate the same, unless they're scorpion chainswords (I think?) which look about as much like Aeldari chainswords as Chaos chainswords look like Astartes chainswords.
clockworkchris9 wrote: Guys this has already been stated to be a leak that i myself cannot validate, could we stop posting that we need to take this with salt and that you dont believe it or that you have doubts. Its redundant and serves no purpose, instead lets just talk about our opinions on the actual leaks.
No? Because if you can't validate the rumors yourself and the information you're providing seems contradictory or unbelievable, then it's perfectly reasonable for people to discuss the validity as well as the contents.
Might it turn out that your source is correct? Possibly. I've also seen a Reddit poster that posted about both the ranger jetbike and exact box contents over 8 months ago. And lately they posted info about the yet undiscussed Chaos Knight release, both models and rules.
Whether or not that's the same poster you're talking about I don't know. But there have also been multiple fake leakers so getting worked up over a third hand rumor seems a little silly at this point.
Daedalus81 wrote: I'm going to press X to doubt LC becoming a generic weapon. Either the source missed something or the rumor is wrong. Otherwise Warp Talons become a visual disconnect or they themselves get the generic weapon, too.
Rumour monger already said the Accursed Weapons are only for Chosen and Termies.
Yea, that would still be quite weird to have models with weapons that are visibly the same, but operate differently.
That has basically been a thing since I started 40k/fantasy in 5th/8th edition respectively, made worse with each as time went on. As pointed out above, power sword vs master-crafted power sword vs relic power sword. Then you've got weapons that visibly look very different, but operate the same. Like chaos chainswords vs astartes chainswords. But astartes chainswords (as seen on tactical marines, assault marines) vs other imperial chainswords (as seen in IG) also operate differently! But IG chainswords and Eldar chainswords operate the same, unless they're scorpion chainswords (I think?) which look about as much like Aeldari chainswords as Chaos chainswords look like Astartes chainswords.
Bridging armies, yes, but not so much internally.
Aggressor gauntlets are the same as PF.
Also a MCPS to a PS is far less different to whatever an Accursed weapon could be and a LC. You already know a PS is +1S AP3 and the MC will just be +1D. If the accursed weapons don't reroll to wound and add an attack it makes no sense.
But maybe that's what they'll be and that'd make base terminators pretty dope.
I've also seen a Reddit poster that posted about both the ranger jetbike and exact box contents over 8 months ago. And lately they posted info about the yet undiscussed Chaos Knight release, both models and rules.
Daedalus81 wrote: I'm going to press X to doubt LC becoming a generic weapon. Either the source missed something or the rumor is wrong. Otherwise Warp Talons become a visual disconnect or they themselves get the generic weapon, too.
Rumour monger already said the Accursed Weapons are only for Chosen and Termies.
Yea, that would still be quite weird to have models with weapons that are visibly the same, but operate differently.
That has basically been a thing since I started 40k/fantasy in 5th/8th edition respectively, made worse with each as time went on. As pointed out above, power sword vs master-crafted power sword vs relic power sword. Then you've got weapons that visibly look very different, but operate the same. Like chaos chainswords vs astartes chainswords. But astartes chainswords (as seen on tactical marines, assault marines) vs other imperial chainswords (as seen in IG) also operate differently! But IG chainswords and Eldar chainswords operate the same, unless they're scorpion chainswords (I think?) which look about as much like Aeldari chainswords as Chaos chainswords look like Astartes chainswords.
Bridging armies, yes, but not so much internally.
Aggressor gauntlets are the same as PF.
Also a MCPS to a PS is far less different to whatever an Accursed weapon could be and a LC. You already know a PS is +1S AP3 and the MC will just be +1D. If the accursed weapons don't reroll to wound and add an attack it makes no sense.
But maybe that's what they'll be and that'd make base terminators pretty dope.
It's just another way of doing "you get what's in the kit" rules. Neither the Chosen nor Terminator kits have enough axes/swords/claws to equip the entire squad, so they get this consolidated profile instead. The Warp Talons kit has enough lighting claws to equip the entire squad, so it gets a "pass". You can't use normal logic to understand this, you have to use "gw logic".
Daedalus81 wrote: I'm going to press X to doubt LC becoming a generic weapon. Either the source missed something or the rumor is wrong. Otherwise Warp Talons become a visual disconnect or they themselves get the generic weapon, too.
Rumour monger already said the Accursed Weapons are only for Chosen and Termies.
Yea, that would still be quite weird to have models with weapons that are visibly the same, but operate differently.
That has basically been a thing since I started 40k/fantasy in 5th/8th edition respectively, made worse with each as time went on. As pointed out above, power sword vs master-crafted power sword vs relic power sword. Then you've got weapons that visibly look very different, but operate the same. Like chaos chainswords vs astartes chainswords. But astartes chainswords (as seen on tactical marines, assault marines) vs other imperial chainswords (as seen in IG) also operate differently! But IG chainswords and Eldar chainswords operate the same, unless they're scorpion chainswords (I think?) which look about as much like Aeldari chainswords as Chaos chainswords look like Astartes chainswords.
Bridging armies, yes, but not so much internally.
Aggressor gauntlets are the same as PF.
Also a MCPS to a PS is far less different to whatever an Accursed weapon could be and a LC. You already know a PS is +1S AP3 and the MC will just be +1D. If the accursed weapons don't reroll to wound and add an attack it makes no sense.
But maybe that's what they'll be and that'd make base terminators pretty dope.
It's just another way of doing "you get what's in the kit" rules. Neither the Chosen nor Terminator kits have enough axes/swords/claws to equip the entire squad, so they get this consolidated profile instead. The Warp Talons kit has enough lighting claws to equip the entire squad, so it gets a "pass". You can't use normal logic to understand this, you have to use "gw logic".
It's worth keeping in mind with these things that since 8th ed GW has actively given up cohesive stats across the game in favor of rules to allow specific units to do specific things, regardless of how they compare to other things in the game. The first instance of this that I can recall is the Genestealer Cults gunslinger and his much lamented trash pistols from 8th ed. This is the paradigm now. If GW actually thinks they can make a unit's rules work in a specific way by given them (even more bespoke) bespoke rules, they will do it with no regard for consistency with anything outside that unit.
I wouldn't really call it another way of doing no model, no rules and more a natural consequence of boxing themselves in with it. They can either let it go and accept that the unit can't work with the lousy options its given, which obviously doesn't work, or try to justify the rules they want and need to write to make it work somehow with an extra dose of pretense, just so long as it doesn't violate the sanctity of no model, no rules*.
I don't know if accursed weapons will be as rumored in the codex, but you absolutely should believe that even in defiance of common sense this kind of rule writing can and will happen in the game. As it already has. This is how GW works nowadays.
*Not that it's consistently enforced. GW gonna GW, after all.
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I've also seen a Reddit poster that posted about both the ranger jetbike and exact box contents over 8 months ago. And lately they posted info about the yet undiscussed Chaos Knight release, both models and rules.
I've also seen a Reddit poster that posted about both the ranger jetbike and exact box contents over 8 months ago. And lately they posted info about the yet undiscussed Chaos Knight release, both models and rules.
They haven't said a lot about Knights, and much of it is pretty cryptic, but basically:
CK getting new Questoris and Armiger variant models
Both IK and CK are going to want lots of Armigers
Knights have some ability to confer buffs/orders to Armigers. Described as a "Knight and Squire"
[This is purely my speculation] Based on him knowing rules for IK as well as CK it seems to imply both dexes are releasing around the same time
Pretty intreasting. A Questoris AND Armiger is for CK is really nice. The Questrios one already looks cool from the rumors, but getting some Armigers is awesome. That should hopefully be enough to spice up the range enough from IK.
I've also seen a Reddit poster that posted about both the ranger jetbike and exact box contents over 8 months ago. And lately they posted info about the yet undiscussed Chaos Knight release, both models and rules.
clockworkchris9 wrote: Guys this has already been stated to be a leak that i myself cannot validate, could we stop posting that we need to take this with salt and that you dont believe it or that you have doubts. Its redundant and serves no purpose, instead lets just talk about our opinions on the actual leaks.
No? Because if you can't validate the rumors yourself and the information you're providing seems contradictory or unbelievable, then it's perfectly reasonable for people to discuss the validity as well as the contents.
Might it turn out that your source is correct? Possibly. I've also seen a Reddit poster that posted about both the ranger jetbike and exact box contents over 8 months ago. And lately they posted info about the yet undiscussed Chaos Knight release, both models and rules.
Whether or not that's the same poster you're talking about I don't know. But there have also been multiple fake leakers so getting worked up over a third hand rumor seems a little silly at this point.
Honestly, I see why clockworkchris9 is frustrated. On B&C they're discussing the content of the rumours, the credibility of the source is stated upfront and the mods step in to stop people demanding their nans medical history to prove the sky is blue.
They come here to share excitement and interesting stuff to discuss and people are so stiff about it all, refusing to accept anything unless it's a leaked picture a lot of the time. Rumours don't exist on Dakka any more really, the eldar calendar proved that, so many people just dumping on it because it wasn't believable, from a 'proven source', or simply because discord or reddit were mentioned. Discussing it for fun was secondary to it being legitimate.
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clockworkchris9 wrote: Guys this has already been stated to be a leak that i myself cannot validate, could we stop posting that we need to take this with salt and that you dont believe it or that you have doubts. Its redundant and serves no purpose, instead lets just talk about our opinions on the actual leaks.
No? Because if you can't validate the rumors yourself and the information you're providing seems contradictory or unbelievable, then it's perfectly reasonable for people to discuss the validity as well as the contents.
Might it turn out that your source is correct? Possibly. I've also seen a Reddit poster that posted about both the ranger jetbike and exact box contents over 8 months ago. And lately they posted info about the yet undiscussed Chaos Knight release, both models and rules.
Whether or not that's the same poster you're talking about I don't know. But there have also been multiple fake leakers so getting worked up over a third hand rumor seems a little silly at this point.
Honestly, I see why clockworkchris9 is frustrated. On B&C they're discussing the content of the rumours, the credibility of the source is stated upfront and the mods step in to stop people demanding their nans medical history to prove the sky is blue.
They come here to share excitement and interesting stuff to discuss and people are so stiff about it all, refusing to accept anything unless it's a leaked picture a lot of the time. Rumours don't exist on Dakka any more really, the eldar calendar proved that, so many people just dumping on it because it wasn't believable, from a 'proven source', or simply because discord or reddit were mentioned. Discussing it for fun was secondary to it being legitimate.
And the original Eldar rumors there ended up being complete bunk, before someone came in with actual leaks complete with blurry photos of the codex.
clockworkchris9 wrote: Guys this has already been stated to be a leak that i myself cannot validate, could we stop posting that we need to take this with salt and that you dont believe it or that you have doubts. Its redundant and serves no purpose, instead lets just talk about our opinions on the actual leaks.
No? Because if you can't validate the rumors yourself and the information you're providing seems contradictory or unbelievable, then it's perfectly reasonable for people to discuss the validity as well as the contents.
Might it turn out that your source is correct? Possibly. I've also seen a Reddit poster that posted about both the ranger jetbike and exact box contents over 8 months ago. And lately they posted info about the yet undiscussed Chaos Knight release, both models and rules.
Whether or not that's the same poster you're talking about I don't know. But there have also been multiple fake leakers so getting worked up over a third hand rumor seems a little silly at this point.
Honestly, I see why clockworkchris9 is frustrated. On B&C they're discussing the content of the rumours, the credibility of the source is stated upfront and the mods step in to stop people demanding their nans medical history to prove the sky is blue.
They come here to share excitement and interesting stuff to discuss and people are so stiff about it all, refusing to accept anything unless it's a leaked picture a lot of the time. Rumours don't exist on Dakka any more really, the eldar calendar proved that, so many people just dumping on it because it wasn't believable, from a 'proven source', or simply because discord or reddit were mentioned. Discussing it for fun was secondary to it being legitimate.
And the original Eldar rumors there ended up being complete bunk, before someone came in with actual leaks complete with blurry photos of the codex.
There weren't any blurry codex photos until after new years iirc.
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