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 nathan2004 wrote:
Hmmm if the Eldar Codex can have 3 armies in 1 folded into it, I think our dex can have rules for renegade chapters, traitor guard, and the remaining legions that don't get their own books.

After Codex: Aeldari I was starting to wonder if we'll see Codex: Chaos again; with regular CSM and daemons together.

Pretty sure at least one rumour would have nailed that by now though.

Rolling ynnari in made sense, since it was 3 characters and a set of rules. Harlequins was a bit more surprising since they got an expanded range, though they are 3 kits and 3 characters in total. Like Militarum tempestus getting rolled back in to guard.

I guess Ynnari players that want Drukhari allies will need another book and that the Dark Eldar codex will also have the same Ynnari and Harlequin units as well

 GaroRobe wrote:
I guess Ynnari players that want Drukhari allies will need another book and that the Dark Eldar codex will also have the same Ynnari and Harlequin units as well

The Drukhari Codex that's already been released you mean?
The requirements for fielding Ynnari in full used to be 3 Codexes and a WD supplement. Now it's 2 Codexes. This is a flat out win to the point where I am even considering an expansion of my Drukhari to include some Clowns and Craftworlds.

 Eldarain wrote:
I'm ready for the nearly 5 year wait for this book to end with a paradigm shift nerfing them after the trend has been power creep.

I'm ok with that, I want a deep book with options that encourage different play styles without being the tournament goers choice of book with a 65+% winrate week 1. Much rather end up near the GSC end of the scale.

Dudeface wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
I'm ready for the nearly 5 year wait for this book to end with a paradigm shift nerfing them after the trend has been power creep.

I'm ok with that, I want a deep book with options that encourage different play styles without being the tournament goers choice of book with a 65+% winrate week 1. Much rather end up near the GSC end of the scale.

I think they did the GSC dex really well, capturing the essence of the faction, and making baseline most things usefull in specific ways.
However i do think that GW needs to add in more customizability to the GSC HQ's, its a bit depressing to see a primus and him always being the same.

Customizability is also something that chaos marines need. and on that front since a certain dex of a certain edition it hasn't looked good.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Rolling ynnari in made sense, since it was 3 characters and a set of rules. Harlequins was a bit more surprising since they got an expanded range, though they are 3 kits and 3 characters in total. Like Militarum tempestus getting rolled back in to guard.

It never left Guard in the first place. They just had an alternate list.

And frankly, I remain convinced to this day that someone screwed up the lists. It was bizarre that the Guard could take Platoons of Scions while the Scions only got fielded in Squads.

 Eldarain wrote:
I'm ready for the nearly 5 year wait for this book to end with a paradigm shift nerfing them after the trend has been power creep.

Coming out on the heels of codex Eldar and sharing a box with them. CSM probably aren't the start of the shift toward "balance". It just depends whether or not the codex writers actually gave a damn this time. I'd be more worried about Chaos Daemons missing out on their share of OP non-sense.

 Deathwolf wrote:
What would the hypothetical difference be between running Fallen with dedicated rules and running them as Legionnaires using whatever rules they have for Renegade traits?

I’m curious because I have 30K DA and am thinking of running them as Fallen for some 40k stuff too.

It'd definitely cause some issues for the DA codex if they're not in the new CSM book.

Not Online!!! wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
I'm ready for the nearly 5 year wait for this book to end with a paradigm shift nerfing them after the trend has been power creep.

I'm ok with that, I want a deep book with options that encourage different play styles without being the tournament goers choice of book with a 65+% winrate week 1. Much rather end up near the GSC end of the scale.

I think they did the GSC dex really well, capturing the essence of the faction, and making baseline most things usefull in specific ways.
However i do think that GW needs to add in more customizability to the GSC HQ's, its a bit depressing to see a primus and him always being the same.

Customizability is also something that chaos marines need. and on that front since a certain dex of a certain edition it hasn't looked good.

The sort of space that used to be filled by converting, before chapterhousim went too far and no-model-no-rules was expanded to no-option-no-rules.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
I'm ready for the nearly 5 year wait for this book to end with a paradigm shift nerfing them after the trend has been power creep.

I'm ok with that, I want a deep book with options that encourage different play styles without being the tournament goers choice of book with a 65+% winrate week 1. Much rather end up near the GSC end of the scale.

I think they did the GSC dex really well, capturing the essence of the faction, and making baseline most things usefull in specific ways.
However i do think that GW needs to add in more customizability to the GSC HQ's, its a bit depressing to see a primus and him always being the same.

Customizability is also something that chaos marines need. and on that front since a certain dex of a certain edition it hasn't looked good.

The sort of space that used to be filled by converting, before chapterhousim went too far and no-model-no-rules was expanded to no-option-no-rules.

Eh, depends on what customization options we're talking about. Want your Chaos Lord to have a bike? Convert it. Want that squad of Chosen to have Daemonic Flight? Convert some jump packs or wings on them. Want that squad of CSM to have Infiltrate, Furious Charge, or Tank Hunters? Pay the points. Not all of the customization options required converting. But we lost those as well. They can bring those back without breaking their silly "no model, no rules" restriction. Those don't require any more modeling than things like Deadly Pathogens or Legion Command.

True that.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
I'm ready for the nearly 5 year wait for this book to end with a paradigm shift nerfing them after the trend has been power creep.

I'm ok with that, I want a deep book with options that encourage different play styles without being the tournament goers choice of book with a 65+% winrate week 1. Much rather end up near the GSC end of the scale.

I think they did the GSC dex really well, capturing the essence of the faction, and making baseline most things usefull in specific ways.
However i do think that GW needs to add in more customizability to the GSC HQ's, its a bit depressing to see a primus and him always being the same.

Customizability is also something that chaos marines need. and on that front since a certain dex of a certain edition it hasn't looked good.

The sort of space that used to be filled by converting, before chapterhousim went too far and no-model-no-rules was expanded to no-option-no-rules.

Eh, depends on what customization options we're talking about. Want your Chaos Lord to have a bike? Convert it. Want that squad of Chosen to have Daemonic Flight? Convert some jump packs or wings on them. Want that squad of CSM to have Infiltrate, Furious Charge, or Tank Hunters? Pay the points. Not all of the customization options required converting. But we lost those as well. They can bring those back without breaking their silly "no model, no rules" restriction. Those don't require any more modeling than things like Deadly Pathogens or Legion Command.

To an extent I agree with removing certain upgrades, because some were just obvious. Name one player that didn't buy Artificer Armor for their Captains/Chapter Masters that weren't in Terminator Armor after all.

MoP

Has a staff that causes perils in combat with a psyker
Cast 2 deny 1
When casting, can cause d3 mortals to a friendly non daemonkin unit to gain +2 to cast
Enemy psykers suffer one additional wound if they peril within 12"


Malefic dis

1. +1 to wound

2. Bring back a daemonkin model

3.4+ inv to Daemonkin units and enemy's take mortals if they charge

4. Beat the models toughness on d6 destroy it

5. 6's to hit auto wound for a daemonkin unit

6. +1 str or toughness (or both if rolled high on test)



The is no longer a way to give characters a jump pack, only the daemon prince can still be equipped with wings.



MoE (elite slot)

Rerolls wounds v char
6" heroic intervene
Hits of six does two mortals and the attack ends
Axe got worse Doesn't reroll hits Doesn't explode (does with legion)
Gains a wound and an attack
Dank Apostle

all god specific prayers are entirely new

Big fan of those rumoured Master of Possession/Malefic changes.

 Sersi wrote:

Yriel_71 wrote:
for some reason I cannot unseen that the slaanesh mark is still weak in some way
bye mutilators

Eh...its alright. Fighting first is still valuable, especially in a melee heavy army like CSM. Also many EC players have armies based around exploiting it. So, it's go to still have access to it despite our legion trait changing. I'd have rather had something like: advance and charge, or re-rolling charges, or some bonus to advance and/or charge.


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 Deathwolf wrote:
Are they any rumors on what will happen to the Fallen yet? Will it just be a keyword for Legionnaires?

Fallen are probably just gone until they either get a codex supplement or a White Dwarf get you by codex.

Fallen really should an army of reknown in similar style as Disciples of Be'Lakor. It allows the rules to be much more nuanced and gives could give them access to marine trueborn stuff.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Big fan of those rumoured Master of Possession/Malefic changes.

Eh, we might need to have the details first but this peril thing might be gimmicky. But the malefic discipline does look pretty good !

Wait and see for the MoE.

Bruh isn't there a Jump Pack Lord? They're really gonna take that away huh?

EviscerationPlague wrote:
Bruh isn't there a Jump Pack Lord? They're really gonna take that away huh?

Actually this is good for players because it means there's less confusion in what they should buy. Convert it? Sounds like elitism/WAAC-mindset there buddy; adding a spare jump pack implies everyone has access to additional bits. You whiners should complain less./s

...I really hope you just forgot the /s there, blood reaper.

 Dysartes wrote:
...I really hope you just forgot the /s there, blood reaper.

I probably should add that in, but I promise you, there are people who will unironically make arguments like this.

Like I said: I'm less concerned with what we're getting, and more concerned about what we're losing.

We continue to lose.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Like I said: I'm less concerned with what we're getting, and more concerned about what we're losing.

We continue to lose.

accursed weapons are a major indication for more streamlining.

As if that was needed for chaos.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Like I said: I'm less concerned with what we're getting, and more concerned about what we're losing.

We continue to lose.

Cue a million "You're just a whiner" responses.

The game is going in a terrible direction IMO, and the problems of it are perfectly summarised by the new Codex. Everything is being 'streamlined' (which really just means there's a lot less options, conversions no longer are done for in-game reasons, and you should stick to official GW models and model units exactly as they come in the box).

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Like I said: I'm less concerned with what we're getting, and more concerned about what we're losing.

We continue to lose.

At this point I just hope we can have fun with it !

At this point, I would not be surprised if the 10th edition rulebook explicitly states that GW's datasheets are only to be used to represent GW models assembled exactly per the official instructions in the kit and that you need your opponent's permission to use converted/kitbashed models.

Won't affect me, as I will continue to use GW purely as a source of cool models and look elsewhere for rules. GW hasn't been any good at producing rules since the early 2000s.

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Big fan of those rumoured Master of Possession/Malefic changes.

Eh, we might need to have the details first

...well....yeah...obviously we need to have the details first for everything we're discussing here. It's a rumour thread, all verdicts are TBD.

Is there a plastic power armored Chaos Lord currently available that isn't armed with a thunder hammer and plasma pistol?

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Is there a plastic power armored Chaos Lord currently available that isn't armed with a thunder hammer and plasma pistol?

Nope, unless you count the Termie one.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Is there a plastic power armored Chaos Lord currently available that isn't armed with a thunder hammer and plasma pistol?

Nope, unless you count the Termie one.

Uh-oh spaghettios.