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Sgt. Cortez wrote:
As long as it stays a legends option most players will be good, but it's still a stupid move. We lost our Bikes and steeds in 8th, our jump packs in 9th, I wonder what they take away in 10th?

Plague Marines, Rubrics, Zerkers, and Noise Marines will become exclusive to their respective legions and only Black Legion will be able to take them but the cult marines won't benefit from any purity bonuses the rest of the army gets.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
I mean you could just use them as lords on foot?

'Counts As' is never the solution.

In that case the options are rip the backpacks off and put a normal one one, leave them on a shelf to collect dust or try and sell them.

In the grand scheme of things if I had a cool converted lord that no longer had rules, I'd rather counts as than not use it all or mutilate it, but that's me.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
As long as it stays a legends option most players will be good, but it's still a stupid move. We lost our Bikes and steeds in 8th, our jump packs in 9th, I wonder what they take away in 10th?

Plague Marines, Rubrics, Zerkers, and Noise Marines will become exclusive to their respective legions and only Black Legion will be able to take them but the cult marines won't benefit from any purity bonuses the rest of the army gets.

This is a good thing actually. It's streamlining the game. New players are effectively cattle and can't be expected to comprehend basic rules, and so need the ruleset to be as stale and as safe as possible - least they accidentally make an inefficient unit.

At this stage, if accurate, considering just how charachter drive CSM armies are, whats the point anymore?

Not Online!!! wrote:
At this stage, if accurate, considering just how charachter drive CSM armies are, whats the point anymore?

Maybe theyll be less character driven in the new book? Tbh if by character driven you mean "huddle around lords for rerolls and psykers for some buffs" I can live with a change.

Dudeface wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
At this stage, if accurate, considering just how charachter drive CSM armies are, whats the point anymore?

Maybe theyll be less character driven in the new book? Tbh if by character driven you mean "huddle around lords for rerolls and psykers for some buffs" I can live with a change.

No i mean charachter driven not aurabots.

Not Online!!! wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
At this stage, if accurate, considering just how charachter drive CSM armies are, whats the point anymore?

Maybe theyll be less character driven in the new book? Tbh if by character driven you mean "huddle around lords for rerolls and psykers for some buffs" I can live with a change.

No i mean charachter driven not aurabots.

Fair, I'd like them to return to being monster combatants that lead from the front, most hqs, including primaris, should be scared of having to face off a lord in melee, I'd even happily take hit to their buffing to get them back to being scary.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
As long as it stays a legends option most players will be good, but it's still a stupid move. We lost our Bikes and steeds in 8th, our jump packs in 9th, I wonder what they take away in 10th?

Plague Marines, Rubrics, Zerkers, and Noise Marines will become exclusive to their respective legions and only Black Legion will be able to take them but the cult marines won't benefit from any purity bonuses the rest of the army gets.

They've already done that twice in the past, and I wouldn't put it past them to do it again.


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Dudeface wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
At this stage, if accurate, considering just how charachter drive CSM armies are, whats the point anymore?

Maybe theyll be less character driven in the new book? Tbh if by character driven you mean "huddle around lords for rerolls and psykers for some buffs" I can live with a change.

No i mean charachter driven not aurabots.

Fair, I'd like them to return to being monster combatants that lead from the front, most hqs, including primaris, should be scared of having to face off a lord in melee, I'd even happily take hit to their buffing to get them back to being scary.

That's how it should be. CSM shouldn't need their leaders constantly babysitting them, they should be able to get the job done themselves. Their leaders should be in command based on their own personal strengths, not their ability to tell everyone else in the army to "shoot better".

Btw, do we know anything about accursed weapon profiles?

charles_the_dead_lizzard wrote:
Btw, do we know anything about accursed weapon profiles?

Page 1 summary:

"Chosen:
3w
can use TH

In the new book, their base loadout is boltgun & accursed weapon (S+1 ap3 d1; +1a)"

Also, new kill team sprue, which oddly won't show in a post for me: https://m.imgur.com/XO6eNxn

Dudeface wrote:

charles_the_dead_lizzard wrote:
Btw, do we know anything about accursed weapon profiles?

Page 1 summary:

"Chosen:
3w
can use TH

In the new book, their base loadout is boltgun & accursed weapon (S+1 ap3 d1; +1a)"

Also, new kill team sprue, which oddly won't show in a post for me: https://m.imgur.com/XO6eNxn

Woooo ! Thanks ! Adding it the summary right now !

I spot... 6 new heads, the chain cannon, the nifty new CaC weapons but no book in sight ?

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

charles_the_dead_lizzard wrote:
Btw, do we know anything about accursed weapon profiles?

Page 1 summary:

"Chosen:
3w
can use TH

In the new book, their base loadout is boltgun & accursed weapon (S+1 ap3 d1; +1a)"

Also, new kill team sprue, which oddly won't show in a post for me: https://m.imgur.com/XO6eNxn

Woooo ! Thanks ! Adding it the summary right now !

I spot... 6 new heads, the chain cannon, the nifty new CaC weapons but no book in sight ?

I can't spot it either, probably going up for preorder next week if the sprue is in the wild though.

I can't find it either. Could there be another sprue? Or are we all just blind?

Random thought: Since they're changing CSM to Legionnaires, do you think that they might actually let us have Legion equipment without silly restrictions? I mean, Legions should have Legion stuff.....

Dudeface wrote:

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

charles_the_dead_lizzard wrote:
Btw, do we know anything about accursed weapon profiles?

Page 1 summary:

"Chosen:
3w
can use TH

In the new book, their base loadout is boltgun & accursed weapon (S+1 ap3 d1; +1a)"

Also, new kill team sprue, which oddly won't show in a post for me: https://m.imgur.com/XO6eNxn

Woooo ! Thanks ! Adding it the summary right now !

I spot... 6 new heads, the chain cannon, the nifty new CaC weapons but no book in sight ?

I can't spot it either, probably going up for preorder next week if the sprue is in the wild though.

Isn't the book on the other side of the spiky backpack piece next to the chaincannon?

Yeah, the book is there. It's just inversed.

A bit underwhelmed with the options. It's not a huge surprise, since the Warcom article was showing off generic CSM alongside the new upgraded guys, but still.

I know they're smaller and so need less room on sprue, but the Tau upgrade sprue at least had enough heads to fully deck out the unit.

That should work for you, Dudeface. Imgur's weird when it comes to the mobile tag.


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 GaroRobe wrote:
Yeah, the book is there. It's just inversed.

A bit underwhelmed with the options. It's not a huge surprise, since the Warcom article was showing off generic CSM alongside the new upgraded guys, but still.

I know they're smaller and so need less room on sprue, but the Tau upgrade sprue at least had enough heads to fully deck out the unit.

The Tau upgrade sprue also has 'mandatory' heads for 2 of the Specialist types. There's one head tied to the Drone Controller build and one for the Grenade Launcher equipped Specialist.

Ranged weapons. That way all CSM will have to fight in HtH combat. In 11th they'll take away all weapon options and CSM will have to fight with fists and teeth.

So, crazy theory time. We know the prior KT kits come out the same week as the next one now as a potential trend. We know therefore the chaos marine box will get repacked/upgraded in 3 months give or take. Therefore codex is about 3 months out?

Dudeface wrote:
So, crazy theory time. We know the prior KT kits come out the same week as the next one now as a potential trend. We know therefore the chaos marine box will get repacked/upgraded in 3 months give or take. Therefore codex is about 3 months out?

That would match the schedule we've heard rumours of. So, it would be: Tyranids -> Chaos Knights -> Chaos Space Marines.

There's another rumour that I hope is wrong.

Hey at least it can't get any worse.

 Gert wrote:
Hey at least it can't get any worse.

Why would you tempt fate like that?

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Supremely unimpressed with that upgrade sprue. Too many bald heads, not nearly enough toys. Chaos Marines aren't Crocodile Dundee. They don't need a pile of oversized knives to compensate.

Voss wrote:
Why would you tempt fate like that?

Whaaaaat? Noooooo. Wanna see me do it again?

Chaos Marines aren't Crocodile Dundee. They don't need a pile of oversized knives to compensate.

Don't need but want.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
There's another rumour that I hope is wrong.

What, for the Chaos Knights book?

Reminder that means this gets that bit more accurate:

I would think Gad is more meaning that the primary Chaos faction is coming after Death Guard, Tsons, and now Chaos Knights, an army that is less than an edition old.

 Gert wrote:
I would think Gad is more meaning that the primary Chaos faction is coming after Death Guard, Tsons, and now Chaos Knights, an army that is less than an edition old.

Yes, exactly. That rumour list specifically says "in no as-of-yet defined order", so having a codex made up of T8 3+ 5++ super heavies come out before the primary Chaos faction has nothing to do with it's veracity.

And as far as "it can't get any worse" goes: *remembers the 4th edition CSM codex*. Yes, yes it can.

Maybe they don't want to do two big range refreshes back to back and are installing a buffer via Tyranids and Chaos Knights. Maybe they don't see any real, meaningful reason to put the CSM book out before a codex+single model release in the form of Chaos Knights.

Additionally, the confirmation of its veracity has literally everything to do with the contents. You don't need a timeline to be correct when you've established from the outset that at the time of your posting there was no timeline.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Maybe they don't want to do two big range refreshes back to back and are installing a buffer via Tyranids and Chaos Knights. Maybe they don't see any real, meaningful reason to put the CSM book out before a codex+single model release in the form of Chaos Knights.

Additionally, the confirmation of its veracity has literally everything to do with the contents. You don't need a timeline to be correct when you've established from the outset that at the time of your posting there was no timeline.

The sad thing is a single new knight is still a large range refresh

 Kanluwen wrote:
Maybe they don't want to do two big range refreshes back to back and are installing a buffer via Tyranids and Chaos Knights. Maybe they don't see any real, meaningful reason to put the CSM book out before a codex+single model release in the form of Chaos Knights.

Yes, I'm sure they'd have their reasons for doing it, but it doesn't mean we have to like it.

Additionally, the confirmation of its veracity has literally everything to do with the contents. You don't need a timeline to be correct when you've established from the outset that at the time of your posting there was no timeline.

That was my point. Having Chaos Knights come out before CSM doesn't make the rumordump any more accurate, as you claimed, because it didn't include a timeline.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Maybe they don't want to do two big range refreshes back to back and are installing a buffer via Tyranids and Chaos Knights. Maybe they don't see any real, meaningful reason to put the CSM book out before a codex+single model release in the form of Chaos Knights.

Yes, I'm sure they'd have their reasons for doing it, but it doesn't mean we have to like it.

So why get upset that an effectively supplemental book is coming out first?

Additionally, the confirmation of its veracity has literally everything to do with the contents. You don't need a timeline to be correct when you've established from the outset that at the time of your posting there was no timeline.

That was my point. Having Chaos Knights come out before CSM doesn't make the rumordump any more accurate, as you claimed, because it didn't include a timeline.

I think you misunderstood why I reposted it then and chose to read something into my post that wasn't there to begin with.

Having Chaos Knights coming out before CSM doesn't make the rumordump more accurate...having Chaos Knights coming out with a new Knight does.