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 Kanluwen wrote:
So why get upset that an effectively supplemental book is coming out first?

Because that's how emotions work Kan.

A new Chaos Knight model was never mentioned, we were talking about the codex. And it's aggravating because it pushes the CSM codex even further back. CSM are currently the only Marines still running around with 1W and 8th edition rules. And new models doesn't necessarily mean new codex, or new rules, anymore. The new Chosen prove that.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
A new Chaos Knight model was never mentioned, we were talking about the codex. And it's aggravating because it pushes the CSM codex even further back. CSM are currently the only Marines still running around with 1W and 8th edition rules. And new models doesn't necessarily mean new codex, or new rules, anymore. The new Chosen prove that.

The Sisters of Battle Codex came out (annoyingly) before the Novitiates were added and the Tau Codex came out around the same time as Chalnath and those pathfinders, so predicting Codex release based on Kill Team models isn't going to give you anything consistent.

I'll just keep twiddling my thumbs then. If the Chaos Marine Codex is gunna be pushed further and further back, oh well. The waiting game is a game I'm pretty familiar with when it comes to GW. It's just wild to have so much potential playtest information and yet no idea of when the actual book is going to come out.

As it stands, I know GW has been struggling with paper products, and they're also juggling a bunch of other things to release shortly, including Eldar 2nd wave, Tyranids, Ash Wastes, upcoming things for AoS, Nachmund that's finally up for preorder next week, and who knows what else. I'd hate to be in charge of distribution right now because I'm sure it's a mess.

I've been thinking about the rumored rules for Chosen, and if they're true, that would be a converter's dream. I've got a bunch of cool AOS Chaos weapons lying around, and I could just slap them on without having to deal with any confusion or clashing rules. I was also considering making some Nurgle Chosen from Putrid Blightkings, complete with the rotten, arcane weapons that they come with, and again, these rules would leave me completely free to do so.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I've been thinking about the rumored rules for Chosen, and if they're true, that would be a converter's dream. I've got a bunch of cool AOS Chaos weapons lying around, and I could just slap them on without having to deal with any confusion or clashing rules. I was also considering making some Nurgle Chosen from Putrid Blightkings, complete with the rotten, arcane weapons that they come with, and again, these rules would leave me completely free to do so.

This is definitely a positive in the grand scheme of things. GW seems to bounce around between having lots of power weapons (maul, axe, spear, sword, etc) or just listing them all as 'power weapon' under one statline.

Having 'power weapon' or even 'chain weapon' or even simply 'melee weapon' allows people to use whatever bits they want to create whatever theme or look that they want without having to worry about which of the myriad weapons is the best.

In a lot of ways, I'm more annoyed by the hodgepodge of ranged weapons that some units get rather than the melee weapons. It also pushes any sort of identity that a melee unit has onto other special rules or abilities they may have, rather than their choice of melee weapon.

I'm sure in the next edition everything will be reversed anyway. Who knows?

drbored wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I've been thinking about the rumored rules for Chosen, and if they're true, that would be a converter's dream. I've got a bunch of cool AOS Chaos weapons lying around, and I could just slap them on without having to deal with any confusion or clashing rules. I was also considering making some Nurgle Chosen from Putrid Blightkings, complete with the rotten, arcane weapons that they come with, and again, these rules would leave me completely free to do so.

This is definitely a positive in the grand scheme of things. GW seems to bounce around between having lots of power weapons (maul, axe, spear, sword, etc) or just listing them all as 'power weapon' under one statline.

Having 'power weapon' or even 'chain weapon' or even simply 'melee weapon' allows people to use whatever bits they want to create whatever theme or look that they want without having to worry about which of the myriad weapons is the best.

In a lot of ways, I'm more annoyed by the hodgepodge of ranged weapons that some units get rather than the melee weapons. It also pushes any sort of identity that a melee unit has onto other special rules or abilities they may have, rather than their choice of melee weapon.

I'm sure in the next edition everything will be reversed anyway. Who knows?

So we've gone from powerfists and everything else is a power weapon, to different profiles for axes/swords/maces, and then back to powerfists and power weapons.

*chef's kiss* GW sure are masters of their craft.

All joking aside I hope they don't bungle this book too hard. I can already see caveats such as "you can not have more cultists/renegade guard/literally anything than you have basic chaos marines" because they sure love that stupid rule. Is it wishful thinking to hope Chaos get another transport? A man can dream can't he......

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I've been thinking about the rumored rules for Chosen, and if they're true, that would be a converter's dream. I've got a bunch of cool AOS Chaos weapons lying around, and I could just slap them on without having to deal with any confusion or clashing rules. I was also considering making some Nurgle Chosen from Putrid Blightkings, complete with the rotten, arcane weapons that they come with, and again, these rules would leave me completely free to do so.

That would also "solve" the problem of lightning claws doing different things depending on whether they are modelled on a warp talon or a terminator/chosen.

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I've been thinking about the rumored rules for Chosen, and if they're true, that would be a converter's dream. I've got a bunch of cool AOS Chaos weapons lying around, and I could just slap them on without having to deal with any confusion or clashing rules. I was also considering making some Nurgle Chosen from Putrid Blightkings, complete with the rotten, arcane weapons that they come with, and again, these rules would leave me completely free to do so.

That would also "solve" the problem of lightning claws doing different things depending on whether they are modelled on a warp talon or a terminator/chosen.

People wanted bespoken rules, GW gave them bespoken rules.

Should be careful what you wish for.

Loving the new Obliterators they will be good in a TAC list. Expect a spearhead of PBCS for support along with chosen in dreadclaws with THs will be a nice army as long as EC keep the 6” cp charge

Sorcerer
Apostle
3x cultists
2 chosen THs and claws
2x dreadclaws
3x 2 oblits

Poxbringer
3x PBCs

Current list I’m working on

tneva82 wrote:

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I've been thinking about the rumored rules for Chosen, and if they're true, that would be a converter's dream. I've got a bunch of cool AOS Chaos weapons lying around, and I could just slap them on without having to deal with any confusion or clashing rules. I was also considering making some Nurgle Chosen from Putrid Blightkings, complete with the rotten, arcane weapons that they come with, and again, these rules would leave me completely free to do so.

That would also "solve" the problem of lightning claws doing different things depending on whether they are modelled on a warp talon or a terminator/chosen.

People wanted bespoken rules, GW gave them bespoken rules.

Should be careful what you wish for.

No one wished for that.

 Defeatmyarmy wrote:
Loving the new Obliterators they will be good in a TAC list. Expect a spearhead of PBCS for support along with chosen in dreadclaws with THs will be a nice army as long as EC keep the 6” cp charge

Sorcerer
Apostle
3x cultists
2 chosen THs and claws
2x dreadclaws
3x 2 oblits

Poxbringer
3x PBCs

Current list I’m working on

If the Death Guard and Thousand Sons are anything to go by, that's too many cultists.

Yeah, would have to drop a unit of cultists to make that work if the DG/TS model holds true

More from Clockworkchris:

NOCTILITH CROWN
T8 14w
Lash has 8 shots and improved strength but degrades

Increasing aura every turn
-1ld
4++ vs shooting
PRIEST & PSYKER within 9" can perform an ACTION

ACTION, perform leadership test, if equal or below, gain 1 CP, can also replace 1 prayer or 1 spell

DISCO LORD
+1 to hit daemon engines in melee
Instead of healing vehicules can hurt ennemy vehicules
Limited to 1 and cant get multiple boosts (i don't understand what this means yet)

WARPSMITH
Can heal vehicules
+1 to hit for daemon engines for shooting

EXALTED CHAMPION
Same loadout as the model (power axe, combi melta & pistol)
Is elite and is now a lieutenant (rerolls 1 to wound @6")
Cannot change loadout
Hits better, more wounds, more attacks



Finally here are the units that have a native -1ld @6" aura:

Daemon prince
Accursed cultists
possessed
Chaos spawn
Raptors

Welp my Exalted Champion just got promoted.

Noctlith Crown I don't take now and it doesn't look like I will in future.
Dsco Lord being limited to 1, makes fluff sense I suppose but its still a kick to the boys if you have 3.
Warpsmith: +1 to hit for Daemon Engines isn't bad.
Exalted Champion: equipment locked with no option to upgrade and reduced to re-rolling 1's to wound? Damn I was looking forward to running him with some melee EC..
-1LD auras units: good for Night Lords.

I don't always aspire to be a chaos champion, but when I do I prefer a power axe.

This is pants-on-head.

Wait so is the Exalted Champion HQ option removed now and replaced with the Aspiring Champion Elite choice? Or is that in addition to?

And if Aspiring Champions are now elite characters, what are squad sergeants for CSM legionnaires and chosen units called?

More from Clockworkchris:

NOISE MARINES: all their weapons are improved, +1A/W/LD.

My mistake, did a brainfart, its exalted champion and not aspiring champion.

What are NM?

chaos0xomega wrote:
Wait so is the Exalted Champion HQ option removed now and replaced with the Aspiring Champion Elite choice? Or is that in addition to?

And if Aspiring Champions are now elite characters, what are squad sergeants for CSM legionnaires and chosen units called?

He corrected it to be Exalted Champion.


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Bago wrote:
What are NM?

Noise Marine.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
I don't always aspire to be a chaos champion, but when I do I prefer a power axe.

This is pants-on-head.

Don't forget your standard issue combi-melta! The dark gods all keep a pile by the door.

Would like to hear some more info about the Discolord. I have 2, hopefully it won't be that bad.

Ohh boy more equipment locked units, this is a good thing because ummm reasons.

So now not only do my jumppack lords no longer exist, but apparently all Aspiring Champions without an axe and combimelta also got taken by the warp


feth hobbyists I guess, conversions are now banned. I cant wait until they say you are only allowed to use "official" paintschemes too that'll probably be 11th editions big new update

2x210 wrote:
Ohh boy more equipment locked units, this is a good thing because ummm reasons.

So now not only do my jumppack lords no longer exist, but apparently all Aspiring Champions without an axe and combimelta also got taken by the warp


feth hobbyists I guess, conversions are now banned. I cant wait until they say you are only allowed to use "official" paintschemes too that'll probably be 11th editions big new update

No that was a a mistake the rumor is for Exalted Champions not Aspiring Champions. Although, it does still suck.

Accursed cultists?!?

Not Online!!! wrote:
Accursed cultists?!?

The possessed cultists that were mentioned before.

Unless that Power Axe does more damage, the Champ will be pointless.

Exalted Champion changing from a sandbox to a locked loadout attached to a decade old Aspiring Champion model sucks hard.

Noise Marines improving is nice & would be nicer still if new models probably weren't c. 5 years away

 Sersi wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Accursed cultists?!?

The possessed cultists that were mentioned before.

hmm.

makes sense.
Still want to see traitor guard and the command squad.

aswell as build a bear traits.