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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/05/09 15:40:14
Subject: Re:Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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blood reaper wrote:EviscerationPlague wrote: blood reaper wrote: Wha-Mu-077 wrote:Voss wrote: blood reaper wrote:Very surprised but happy to see they actually used the mulit-part models, rather than the gakky snap-fit sculpts.
But not the kill team add-on sprue, despite those rules being in the codex.
Nurr.
I wonder.
Since you can't get the monopose Chaos Space Marines from them anymore, does that mean CSM squads will no longer be able to take an autocannon? Because no model = no rules.
GWs no model no rules sentiment is bizarre and frankly completely uncoordinated - I believe you will be able to keep it because Havocs get them, and the Havoc kit is designed to be mixed and matched with the standard CSMs.
...but I would take an immense degree of joy in seeing the idiots who support this kind of approach having to defend the loss of a classic option using the standard GW apologist arguments.
Kan will be super happy
Isn't he the person who defended the Autarch not having options GW promised?
Yeeeeeeeep. Also says Legends is totally legit and any awful point costs pointed out means you're a WAAC player.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/05/09 15:40:22
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Gore-Drenched Khorne Chaos Lord
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blood reaper wrote:Dudeface wrote: dan2026 wrote:They have to release the Obliterators, Venomcrawler and Master of Possession separately, surely?
Without brand new kits for oblits and the VC (which there is no indication of) they can't, they share sprues with the greater possessed and the mono-pose marines.
As far as I know the Oblits and VC share a sprue but don't share it with the mono-pose marines.
Greater Possessed aren't a thing anymore and the monopose CSMs aren't necessary, so it's likely, they'll release the Oblits and VC as a boxset.
Ahh that's a win then, been a while since I had need to look at the sprues to be honest
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/05/09 15:43:21
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
The Great State of New Jersey
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They didn't even put the autocannon on the upgrade sprue? Sheesh GW, you had one job.
And does that Combat Patrol *not* include the add-on sprue? Big kick in the nads if not.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/05/09 15:49:22
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Gore-Drenched Khorne Chaos Lord
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chaos0xomega wrote:They didn't even put the autocannon on the upgrade sprue? Sheesh GW, you had one job.
And does that Combat Patrol *not* include the add-on sprue? Big kick in the nads if not.
Appears not to but who knows. It might be that the release order is out the swanny and the stock photo was taken before the KT was announced to be released beforehand, but will include it? (Hoping against hope here, as it would be dumb AF not to include it)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/05/09 15:49:39
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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chaos0xomega wrote:They didn't even put the autocannon on the upgrade sprue? Sheesh GW, you had one job.
And does that Combat Patrol *not* include the add-on sprue? Big kick in the nads if not.
Yes to both.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/05/09 15:50:21
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Gore-Drenched Khorne Chaos Lord
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Also bit nervy at the lack of info on red corsairs at this point, I know their traits been spelled out but there's no mention of any relics or anything to give any real parity to the legions despite being the snowflake renegades.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/05/09 15:53:22
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Terrifying Doombull
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chaos0xomega wrote:They didn't even put the autocannon on the upgrade sprue? Sheesh GW, you had one job.
Nope. Several knives and a bolt pistol, but really its just psyker bits, chain cannon and the two handed chain axe. Plus I guess the head and hand for the 'minor possessed' squaddie.
And does that Combat Patrol *not* include the add-on sprue? Big kick in the nads if not.
Not stated, and doesn't show any of the bits. So... no.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/05/09 16:11:00
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Barpharanges
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Voss wrote:chaos0xomega wrote:They didn't even put the autocannon on the upgrade sprue? Sheesh GW, you had one job.
Nope. Several knives and a bolt pistol, but really its just psyker bits, chain cannon and the two handed chain axe. Plus I guess the head and hand for the 'minor possessed' squaddie.
And does that Combat Patrol *not* include the add-on sprue? Big kick in the nads if not.
Not stated, and doesn't show any of the bits. So... no.
To be fair, all of the bits do have a mechanical use in game - but yeah, no autocannons.
A shame GW cut out all those options and never made some kind of ... weapons pack ... which would allow easy access for players to all different kinds of options in order to outfit their armies. An incredible shame. Of course, they could never do that. Never ever.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/05/09 16:12:06
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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blood reaper wrote:Voss wrote:chaos0xomega wrote:They didn't even put the autocannon on the upgrade sprue? Sheesh GW, you had one job.
Nope. Several knives and a bolt pistol, but really its just psyker bits, chain cannon and the two handed chain axe. Plus I guess the head and hand for the 'minor possessed' squaddie.
And does that Combat Patrol *not* include the add-on sprue? Big kick in the nads if not.
Not stated, and doesn't show any of the bits. So... no.
To be fair, all of the bits do have a mechanical use in game - but yeah, no autocannons.
What's the minor possessed guy rumored to do?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/05/09 16:52:59
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Terrifying Doombull
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To be fair again, the HH weapon packs are a lot easier to justify for their internal budget/project logs/whatever because they're compatible with 18 'factions' (or more, since you know people are going to try to add them to 40k CSM and 40k loyalists), and base kits they're going to sell over and over and over. (And I suspect the price point for the weapon packs is gonna be brutal). They've also planned it from day 1, rather than try to build kits that a) match only specific units in one army and b) possibly need to fit multiple units that were designed up to 20 years apart.
That said, I remember the long long years where chaos marines had one metal autocannon guy, and I would have made dark offerings for that sort of thing. (And felt that way about grav weapons as well, since I didn't want to buy entirely new dev squad boxes just to get a pair- or pay through the nose on bits 'services')
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/05/09 17:37:57
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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This has been my concern since Shadowspear was turned into a Combat Patrol. Here are the issues: 1. Autocannon was never put into the regular kit. Same with the chain-axe for the champion. 2. Greater Possessed were jumbled in with the Chaos Marines, making it impossible to give it its own kit without some jank. 3. The Obliterators and Venomcrawler have zero options and only go together one way. 4. The Obliterators and Venomcrawler share a sprue, making it impossible to separate them as is. At the very least, the Master of Possession has always been on his own little sprue, so I expect they'll simply put him out in a kit of his own. But yes, we really need GW to release the Obliterators on their own with a multi-part kit, and the Venomcrawler on its own, ideally with some pose options at the very least. The Autocannon is at least an option that you can get in the Havoc box, so with the new Combat Patrol, you'll actually have the bits enough to make an Autocannon Chaos Marine if you really wanted that. Chainaxe you're just SOL until Khorne Berzerkers come out or you use some of the options from the Chosen kit. It's been a hodge-podge release that has felt incomplete since they got their big 8th edition update. Yes we got some great new sculpts and some neat new options, but it always feels like GW trips right before the finish line. Automatically Appended Next Post: In slightly more exciting news, a rumor has popped up, confirmed by ClockworkChris over on BnC: Chaos Marines will have the ability to take up to 25% of Chaos Daemons in an army without breaking army rules, and they can apparently even be in the same detachment.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/05/09 18:40:06
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Terrifying Doombull
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In slightly more exciting news, a rumor has popped up, confirmed by ClockworkChris over on BnC:
Chaos Marines will have the ability to take up to 25% of Chaos Daemons in an army without breaking army rules, and they can apparently even be in the same detachment.
Wait, not breaking any army rules? On either side?
Because that would be the bee's knees and the wasp's nipples.
I... could do a proper chaos cult. With daemonic summons and a properly elite handful of marine 'overseers'
This sounds like crazy talk, but I want that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/05/09 18:43:55
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Gore-Drenched Khorne Chaos Lord
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Voss wrote:In slightly more exciting news, a rumor has popped up, confirmed by ClockworkChris over on BnC:
Chaos Marines will have the ability to take up to 25% of Chaos Daemons in an army without breaking army rules, and they can apparently even be in the same detachment.
Wait, not breaking any army rules? On either side?
Because that would be the bee's knees and the wasp's nipples.
I... could do a proper chaos cult. With daemonic summons and a properly elite handful of marine 'overseers'
This sounds like crazy talk, but I want that.
I imagine they'll give up something on the daemons side, they'd have to for it to make any sense really.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/05/09 18:57:08
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Dudeface wrote:Voss wrote:In slightly more exciting news, a rumor has popped up, confirmed by ClockworkChris over on BnC:
Chaos Marines will have the ability to take up to 25% of Chaos Daemons in an army without breaking army rules, and they can apparently even be in the same detachment.
Wait, not breaking any army rules? On either side?
Because that would be the bee's knees and the wasp's nipples.
I... could do a proper chaos cult. With daemonic summons and a properly elite handful of marine 'overseers'
This sounds like crazy talk, but I want that.
I imagine they'll give up something on the daemons side, they'd have to for it to make any sense really.
Yeah, this. If they're allowing you to take the Chaos Daemons in the same detachment as the Chaos Marines, then the idea is that you'll get access to the datasheets and any basic Chaos Daemons abilities, but no Chaos Daemons army rules.
Still, a big victory for fluffy armies to be able to have your Marines and Daemons and keep your Marine doctrines and such. Plus, then you can add in a Chaos Knight via the new dreadblade rules.
Chaos soup is back on the menu.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/05/09 18:59:30
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Terrifying Doombull
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We're in end-of-edition land (barring ~6 months and give or take a year of Nu-Psychic Abomination filler books). Nothing need to makes sense, it can all just retroactively be declared 'Written with next edition in mind.'
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/05/09 19:04:38
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Voss wrote:We're in end-of-edition land (barring ~6 months and give or take a year of Nu-Psychic Abomination filler books). Nothing need to makes sense, it can all just retroactively be declared 'Written with next edition in mind.' It's hard to imagine that we're already in that phase, but you're probably right. Chaos Knights and Imperial Knights are out. Chaos Marines are around the corner. That leaves Leagues of Votann, Chaos Daemons, and Astra Militarum as the last codexes to update, along with maybe World Eaters, depending on how far they push it back. 30k this summer. 10th edition 40k next summer. I think a big part of what we might see is lore paving the way for Angron's appearance, like they did with Magnus and Mortarion and Guilliman before. Another theory I have is that Chaos Marines may get a secondary update in relatively short order. Maybe early 10th edition. There are a bunch of Chaos-looking rumor engines that have still been unresolved, but they could all be part of the World Eaters at this point. A secondary update would give them an opportunity to put out bikes, oblits, venomcrawler, and maybe a new chaos lord and exalted champion, since those options are super limited or not even available right now. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/05/09 19:14:59
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Terrifying Doombull
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I'm pretty sure WE will come before Guard or Daemons. After all, its been announced and artwork has been shown. We'll likely hear more after the WD with the 'get-you-by' army list has come out and sold.
As far as the rumor engines go, a fair amount were resolved by Warhammer Fest. I think the few remaining (the hammer, the claw w/ flamer and maybe the necklace on the bare torso (which looks like it has a khorne rune cut off) are World Eaters (or STD for the latter)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/05/09 19:20:46
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Voss wrote:I'm pretty sure WE will come before Guard or Daemons. After all, its been announced and artwork has been shown. We'll likely hear more after the WD with the 'get-you-by' army list has come out and sold.
As far as the rumor engines go, a fair amount were resolved by Warhammer Fest. I think the few remaining (the hammer, the claw w/ flamer and maybe the necklace on the bare torso (which looks like it has a khorne rune cut off) are World Eaters (or STD for the latter)
Nah, Daemons will probably be out in relatively short order. They're unlikely to get many new models, just porting over some new stuff from AoS, and maybe a new hero to replace a resin one or something. Astra Militarum is the bigger one, so that will remain to be seen.
And yeah, the hammer and claw. For all we know, could be the same model.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/05/09 19:21:07
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Why WE before Guard? WE are still in the design phase, while we already have a lot more leaks on guard, and we have possibly a kasarkin teased in a rumor engine from months ago
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/05/09 19:26:27
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Crazed Spirit of the Defiler
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GaroRobe wrote:Why WE before Guard? WE are still in the design phase, while we already have a lot more leaks on guard, and we have possibly a kasarkin teased in a rumor engine from months ago
Yeah, the BIGRUMOURDUMP had the WE codex (and squats for that matter) as "in the pipeline" with no further notes. I'd rather bet on guard and daemons coming out first.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/05/09 19:36:47
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Dakka Veteran
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HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
Seriously though Jes Goodwin let slip they were working on WE on a voxcast way back.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/05/09 19:45:40
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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JSG wrote:
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
Seriously though Jes Goodwin let slip they were working on WE on a voxcast way back.
Yeah, what we're seeing is called the 'hype cycle'. They give us little tidbits building up to the full release, much like they did with the Sisters of Battle. What we saw of those chain axes is something that could have easily been done 2+ years ago. Very likely, the design is done for EVERYTHING they've made in terms of the models. They might still be working on a few last playtests of the rules and such, but otherwise most everything is likely queued up to get printing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/05/09 20:10:08
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Terrifying Doombull
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GaroRobe wrote:Why WE before Guard? WE are still in the design phase, while we already have a lot more leaks on guard, and we have possibly a kasarkin teased in a rumor engine from months ago
Why WE?
Because they made a point of announcing WE. (And unlike STD at the end of the year, it wasn't because of leaks).
What we have on guard is a couple rumor engine pics (same as WE if we consider the hammer and claw as WE related rather than CSM related) and a balance sheet update that says 'feth off, have this and go away'
Plus, officially:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/04/blood-skulls-and-butchers-nails-the-world-eaters-are-getting-their-own-codex/
We’ll be bringing you more updates on Codex: World Eaters and these murderous new miniatures over the next few months on Warhammer Community – so you can follow the Eightfold Path right up to release.
That puts it roughly autumn-ish, like the Squats. Best whisper we have for guard is next year, at least last time I checked.
HH is the big summer release, followed by a slew of kits (upgrades, Mk3 & 4 repacking, various tanks, etc). There are also a lot of AoS books coming. So a small 40k hiatus, coming back big in Autumn with Squats and WE, and the year rounding out with Slaves to Darkness.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/05/09 20:16:55
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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There is literally nothing on Daermons yet.
I bet they are going to be dead last this edition.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/05/09 20:32:38
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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DreadfullyHopeful wrote: GaroRobe wrote:Why WE before Guard? WE are still in the design phase, while we already have a lot more leaks on guard, and we have possibly a kasarkin teased in a rumor engine from months ago
Yeah, the BIGRUMOURDUMP had the WE codex (and squats for that matter) as "in the pipeline" with no further notes. I'd rather bet on guard and daemons coming out first.
Also possibly a second marines codex, again. At the very least there was a rumor about that, alongside more chapter-specific stuff.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/05/09 20:34:09
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
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drbored wrote:In slightly more exciting news, a rumor has popped up, confirmed by ClockworkChris over on BnC:
Chaos Marines will have the ability to take up to 25% of Chaos Daemons in an army without breaking army rules, and they can apparently even be in the same detachment.
15 years.
15 years to get our Daemons back.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/05/09 20:37:15
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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H.B.M.C. wrote:drbored wrote:In slightly more exciting news, a rumor has popped up, confirmed by ClockworkChris over on BnC:
Chaos Marines will have the ability to take up to 25% of Chaos Daemons in an army without breaking army rules, and they can apparently even be in the same detachment.
15 years.
15 years to get our Daemons back.
Also this means that if Abaddon gets the shadowsun rule, CSM will be able to take all of the following without spending any CP or losing any rules
A) A legion of choice
B) Abaddon
C) Daemons
D) A knight (possibly, this might need a FAQ)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/05/09 20:59:38
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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dan2026 wrote:There is literally nothing on Daermons yet.
I bet they are going to be dead last this edition.
At this point, I almost wonder if they might be best served saving Guard and Demons for the 10E launch box.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/05/09 23:09:54
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Terrifying Doombull
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Manfred von Drakken wrote: dan2026 wrote:There is literally nothing on Daermons yet.
I bet they are going to be dead last this edition.
At this point, I almost wonder if they might be best served saving Guard and Demons for the 10E launch box.
I absolutely do not believe GW would consider that a viable box set, let alone launch box.
I also think they wouldn't put up with the complaints if someone didn't get their update. They can only get away with EC because they weren't a separate book already, with just two existing books left, there would be screaming.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/05/09 23:32:26
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
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H.B.M.C. wrote:drbored wrote:In slightly more exciting news, a rumor has popped up, confirmed by ClockworkChris over on BnC:
Chaos Marines will have the ability to take up to 25% of Chaos Daemons in an army without breaking army rules, and they can apparently even be in the same detachment.
15 years.
15 years to get our Daemons back.
As an Iron Warrior player that doesn’t give a heck about daemons, I’m still very happy that the less religion-averse legions get their little summoned friends back!
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