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Voss wrote:
That puts it roughly autumn-ish, like the Squats. Best whisper we have for guard is next year, at least last time I checked.
HH is the big summer release, followed by a slew of kits (upgrades, Mk3 & 4 repacking, various tanks, etc). There are also a lot of AoS books coming. So a small 40k hiatus, coming back big in Autumn with Squats and WE, and the year rounding out with Slaves to Darkness.

Around the time of the accurate Eldar leaks I remember there was a source claiming World Eaters would be out "before the end of 2022", so this fits.

Perhaps we'll see the first wave of new Guard kits arrive alongside WE in another Eldritch Omens style box

I can't believe GW quietly disappeared the Start Collecting box with zero notice and no word on when, or if, certain popular units will be available again. I mean, it didn't even go to 'Last Chance to Buy', did it?

What are they playing at?

 ph34r wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

drbored wrote:
In slightly more exciting news, a rumor has popped up, confirmed by ClockworkChris over on BnC:

Chaos Marines will have the ability to take up to 25% of Chaos Daemons in an army without breaking army rules, and they can apparently even be in the same detachment.

15 years.

15 years to get our Daemons back.

As an Iron Warrior player that doesn’t give a heck about daemons, I’m still very happy that the less religion-averse legions get their little summoned friends back!

Gotta wonder if this will apply to Thousand Sons, Death Guard, and World Eaters, too.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 ph34r wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

drbored wrote:
In slightly more exciting news, a rumor has popped up, confirmed by ClockworkChris over on BnC:

Chaos Marines will have the ability to take up to 25% of Chaos Daemons in an army without breaking army rules, and they can apparently even be in the same detachment.

15 years.

15 years to get our Daemons back.

As an Iron Warrior player that doesn’t give a heck about daemons, I’m still very happy that the less religion-averse legions get their little summoned friends back!

Gotta wonder if this will apply to Thousand Sons, Death Guard, and World Eaters, too.

I could see it being limited to matching god keywords for them.

If GW did a Guard vs Daemons box I would buy so many fething copies of that, especially if the guard were something other than Cadians or Catachans.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

drbored wrote:
In slightly more exciting news, a rumor has popped up, confirmed by ClockworkChris over on BnC:

Chaos Marines will have the ability to take up to 25% of Chaos Daemons in an army without breaking army rules, and they can apparently even be in the same detachment.

15 years.

15 years to get our Daemons back.

Yes, but we're finally getting them back. We're actually getting something back that we lost instead of losing even more. Although I have no intention to add Daemons to my own army, I'm absolutely thrilled for those that have been wanting something like this again for ages. I hope you guys have an absolute blast with this.

 Samus666 wrote:
I can't believe GW quietly disappeared the Start Collecting box with zero notice and no word on when, or if, certain popular units will be available again. I mean, it didn't even go to 'Last Chance to Buy', did it?

What are they playing at?

I see you didn't notice that last, ehh, six or eight times they did this.

 Samus666 wrote:
I can't believe GW quietly disappeared the Start Collecting box with zero notice and no word on when, or if, certain popular units will be available again. I mean, it didn't even go to 'Last Chance to Buy', did it?

What are they playing at?

Sucks the models are unavailable, but on the whole between it disappearing and the new combat patrol being shown off, it means CSM release is sooner than later.
And we can also start looking forward to separate releases for various things in boxed sets (chosen, warpsmith, KT version of marines)

 Samus666 wrote:
I can't believe GW quietly disappeared the Start Collecting box with zero notice and no word on when, or if, certain popular units will be available again. I mean, it didn't even go to 'Last Chance to Buy', did it?

What are they playing at?

I am very confident that the Venomcrawler and Obliterators will be released as a combo box of "Daemonkin fire support", or something to that effect, when the codex drops. (Based purely on GW's usual behavior. I don't have any insider info.)

I doubt it's a coincidence that those two were isolated to a single sprue and they do thematically make sense together since the VC buffs anything with the Daemon keyword. Also GW did the same thing with the the Deathguard and Bladeguard starter box character sprues.

The monopose CSM and Greater Possessed (who have been demoted to regular Possessed) are probably gone for good.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

drbored wrote:
In slightly more exciting news, a rumor has popped up, confirmed by ClockworkChris over on BnC:

Chaos Marines will have the ability to take up to 25% of Chaos Daemons in an army without breaking army rules, and they can apparently even be in the same detachment.

15 years.

15 years to get our Daemons back.

Yes, but we're finally getting them back. We're actually getting something back that we lost instead of losing even more. Although I have no intention to add Daemons to my own army, I'm absolutely thrilled for those that have been wanting something like this again for ages. I hope you guys have an absolute blast with this.

Well, not "instead" so much as "alongside" considering what we're losing. But still, it's nice!

 Jack Flask wrote:

 Samus666 wrote:
I can't believe GW quietly disappeared the Start Collecting box with zero notice and no word on when, or if, certain popular units will be available again. I mean, it didn't even go to 'Last Chance to Buy', did it?

What are they playing at?

I am very confident that the Venomcrawler and Obliterators will be released as a combo box of "Daemonkin fire support", or something to that effect, when the codex drops. (Based purely on GW's usual behavior. I don't have any insider info.)

I doubt it's a coincidence that those two were isolated to a single sprue and they do thematically make sense together since the VC buffs anything with the Daemon keyword. Also GW did the same thing with the the Deathguard and Bladeguard starter box character sprues.

The monopose CSM and Greater Possessed (who have been demoted to regular Possessed) are probably gone for good.

I imagine it'll be in a white box and web-order only, much like some of the character models in the 8th edition starter set.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

drbored wrote:
In slightly more exciting news, a rumor has popped up, confirmed by ClockworkChris over on BnC:

Chaos Marines will have the ability to take up to 25% of Chaos Daemons in an army without breaking army rules, and they can apparently even be in the same detachment.

15 years.

15 years to get our Daemons back.

Maybe this codex won't be so bad for Word Bearers afterall.

...I must admit I only barely managed to keep a straight face typing that

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

drbored wrote:
In slightly more exciting news, a rumor has popped up, confirmed by ClockworkChris over on BnC:

Chaos Marines will have the ability to take up to 25% of Chaos Daemons in an army without breaking army rules, and they can apparently even be in the same detachment.

15 years.

15 years to get our Daemons back.

Maybe this codex won't be so bad for Word Bearers afterall.

...I must admit I only barely managed to keep a straight face typing that

At least this time their legion trait isn't just the thing that all space marines get for free

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Maybe this codex won't be so bad for Word Bearers afterall.

...I must admit I only barely managed to keep a straight face typing that

Nah this will be great for Word Bearers.

Just think, thousands of years of devotion to the Dark Gods and to represent that you get some extra Mortal Wounds during turns 4 and 5 of any game. It's so thematic I can hardly contain my enthusiasm!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Maybe this codex won't be so bad for Word Bearers afterall.

...I must admit I only barely managed to keep a straight face typing that

Nah this will be great for Word Bearers.

Just think, thousands of years of devotion to the Dark Gods and to represent that you get some extra Mortal Wounds during turns 4 and 5 of any game. It's so thematic I can hardly contain my enthusiasm!

At least it's better than Night Lords getting a super conditional +1 to hit with pistols/melee/assault in turns 4-5 of the game!

 cole1114 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

drbored wrote:
In slightly more exciting news, a rumor has popped up, confirmed by ClockworkChris over on BnC:

Chaos Marines will have the ability to take up to 25% of Chaos Daemons in an army without breaking army rules, and they can apparently even be in the same detachment.

15 years.

15 years to get our Daemons back.

Also this means that if Abaddon gets the shadowsun rule, CSM will be able to take all of the following without spending any CP or losing any rules

A) A legion of choice

B) Abaddon

C) Daemons

D) A knight (possibly, this might need a FAQ)

Pick three, because detachment limit of 3 at 2k. You would have to pay CP for the daemon or knight detachment, though the knight will be discounted by 2 if it shares its alignment with your warlord.

 Jidmah wrote:

 cole1114 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

drbored wrote:
In slightly more exciting news, a rumor has popped up, confirmed by ClockworkChris over on BnC:

Chaos Marines will have the ability to take up to 25% of Chaos Daemons in an army without breaking army rules, and they can apparently even be in the same detachment.

15 years.

15 years to get our Daemons back.

Also this means that if Abaddon gets the shadowsun rule, CSM will be able to take all of the following without spending any CP or losing any rules

A) A legion of choice

B) Abaddon

C) Daemons

D) A knight (possibly, this might need a FAQ)

Pick three, because detachment limit of 3 at 2k. You would have to pay CP for the daemon or knight detachment, though the knight will be discounted by 2 if it shares its alignment with your warlord.

I think they were working on the idea that the daemons sat in the csm detachment which Chris shut down over on B&C. The 25% thing is true but not in the same detachment.

It's still not bad - you can have any Legion+Abaddon+Daemons or any Legion+Daemons+Knight as well as Black Legion+Abaddon+Daemons+Knight if you just run him as regular HQ. This should cover pretty much every collection out there and most narrative scenarios.

Or you don't bother with failbadon the (H)armless and go full WB with a daemon detachment and enjoy it while it lasts before inevitably the pendulum swings back and shoots and beheads souping mechanics.

Not Online!!! wrote:
Or you don't bother with failbadon the (H)armless and go full WB with a daemon detachment and enjoy it while it lasts before inevitably the pendulum swings back and shoots and beheads souping mechanics.

The reason I parted ways with my daemons I used as add-ins previously and won't go back there again. I was right not to get excited about the army of renown for Be'Lakor as well since it'll be dead before long.

 Jack Flask wrote:

 Samus666 wrote:
I can't believe GW quietly disappeared the Start Collecting box with zero notice and no word on when, or if, certain popular units will be available again. I mean, it didn't even go to 'Last Chance to Buy', did it?

What are they playing at?

I am very confident that the Venomcrawler and Obliterators will be released as a combo box of "Daemonkin fire support", or something to that effect, when the codex drops. (Based purely on GW's usual behavior. I don't have any insider info.)

I doubt it's a coincidence that those two were isolated to a single sprue and they do thematically make sense together since the VC buffs anything with the Daemon keyword. Also GW did the same thing with the the Deathguard and Bladeguard starter box character sprues.

The monopose CSM and Greater Possessed (who have been demoted to regular Possessed) are probably gone for good.

I reckon this is a pretty reasonable predication, based on what we've seen previously. For example, the Death Guard stuff that wasn't available elsewhere popped back up, but the starter box Plague Marines, Drone and Lord disappeared.

Man, I just returned from an 8 years retirement and everything seems SO EXCYTING for CSM I can't even believe how much things have gotten better since the old dudes left. I don't know how many people are with me, but since the Fest I'm reaaaaaly hyped for this to come. So much that if the codex releases in july the wait is going to be eternal, yep. But I'm happy so far with the new models everyone has (except for EC lol poor slaanesh fans)

Like, I'm still trying to come over the fact that now Abaddon is cool, has good rules, and even a personality! That's savage

I am not very impressed with the chaos reveals, i have already 40 cultist dont need a cultist hq and dont like the possesed cultist.
possesed marines are oke and thats the only reveal for chaos marines. So its so so.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

15 years.

15 years to get our Daemons back.

You can play 25% Daemons with CSM right now, and could do for the past 15 years.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
You can play 25% Daemons with CSM right now, and could do for the past 15 years.

Thanks Sunny, but everyone else here understood what I meant.

We'll give you 5 to catch up.

 Jidmah wrote:
Pick three, because detachment limit of 3 at 2k. You would have to pay CP for the daemon or knight detachment, though the knight will be discounted by 2 if it shares its alignment with your warlord.

If it's true I am super happy to do my power couple of Abaddon and a LoC again. No Rubrics, but with the CSM psyker sergeants I'm covered.

skeleton wrote:I am not very impressed with the chaos reveals, i have already 40 cultist dont need a cultist hq and dont like the possesed cultist.
possesed marines are oke and thats the only reveal for chaos marines. So its so so.

Feels like a missed opportunity. Cultists and Mutants are no substitute for Renegades and Heretics.

IA13 is still too fresh in the memory to feel good about this.

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Pick three, because detachment limit of 3 at 2k. You would have to pay CP for the daemon or knight detachment, though the knight will be discounted by 2 if it shares its alignment with your warlord.

If it's true I am super happy to do my power couple of Abaddon and a LoC again. No Rubrics, but with the CSM psyker sergeants I'm covered.

Abaddon, a Knight Despoiler and Be'lakor would be an interesting combo.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:
You can play 25% Daemons with CSM right now, and could do for the past 15 years.

Thanks Sunny, but everyone else here understood what I meant.

We'll give you 5 to catch up.

He is right though - technically nothing changes except you can't field more than 25% anymore.

 Jidmah wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:
You can play 25% Daemons with CSM right now, and could do for the past 15 years.

Thanks Sunny, but everyone else here understood what I meant.

We'll give you 5 to catch up.

He is right though - technically nothing changes except you can't field more than 25% anymore.

Just nope.

Chaos Marines will have the ability to take up to 25% of Chaos Daemons in an army without breaking army rules, and they can apparently even be in the same detachment.

Not sure why you and Sunny are skipping the important bits. No CP cost (for an additional detachment) and keep legion traits. That's... pretty big.
And as written, you can take more than 25%, but you'll go back to losing your rules.

Voss wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:
You can play 25% Daemons with CSM right now, and could do for the past 15 years.

Thanks Sunny, but everyone else here understood what I meant.

We'll give you 5 to catch up.

He is right though - technically nothing changes except you can't field more than 25% anymore.

Just nope.

Chaos Marines will have the ability to take up to 25% of Chaos Daemons in an army without breaking army rules, and they can apparently even be in the same detachment.

Not sure why you and Sunny are skipping the important bits. No CP cost (for an additional detachment) and keep legion traits. That's... pretty big.
And as written, you can take more than 25%, but you'll go back to losing your rules.

Clockworkchris confirmed that you do have to still have the daemons in a separate detachment, so you gotta pay the CP for that. At 25%, at a 2000 point list, you're talking about 500 points of daemons, which realistically is going to be a patrol detachment.