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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/06/03 05:02:52
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Have we got any news or leaks on the updates to Sonic weapons for EC? The blast masters are underwhelming currently.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/06/03 13:43:39
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Lesser Daemon of Chaos
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charles_the_dead_lizzard wrote: Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:It matches the boxed contents. There’s a chance the codex will still allow upgrade options, but that seems unlikely. This codex, aside from new kits, is looking pretty lame. Much remains to be seen but no model = no rules is not helping this army out. Lost almost all our options for gun upgrades, it seems like. Far fewer in a list, and not much to replace them with but boltguns.
Yeah despite awesome new art and some cool cultists and model reworks (Prince/Possesed) there is little to nothing to look forward.
-Limited weapon options basically kill the old charm of optimising units through equipment
-Limiting CC Weapons to Accursed Weapons and leaving them as is takes away a lot of flexibility as well
-Playtest Leaks show that many rules have not been properly reworked but instead just translated. This is really a shame considering how almost all other 9th Ed books were really doing heavy reworks to distinguish the faction from 8th Ed rules. This hurts especially when viewing it in context of the recent aeldari rework.
-The rumoured Chaos doctrine approach would be simply a copy and adjust from loyalists. This again would really solidify the feel of GW devs simply not caring about CSM. Make them like marines but with spikes and slightly altered rules
-New book already puts the faction in a bad spotlight regarding the meta. I see little to no real answers to vehicles. We can tickle the enemy to death with S5 -3 D1 attacks but in the end we will struggle to destroy a rhino or to finish that 5 man squad of primaris. Considering how everything became more killy this edition this agains leaves a very sour taste.
- WE players are in a bad spot as they propably will loose access to half their army. Once again some bad feels here.
It feels like the book was planned and balanced to come along the SM and Necron book and was delayed for some reason. As the 3-4th book of the edition it would be nuts and no one would complain to see a copy of the cool new marines doctrine we already know. Right now it feels rather like a slight insult, that for one of the last codexes they didn’t come up with something better than just a copy of an existing rule…in worse.
I also had the weird thought that they maybe just scrapped the cool ideas for the 10th Ed Codex which may come next year as some folks believe. Instead of wasting good new ideas they just reheat old stuff. Why bother doing creative work twice, huh?
GW releases for Chaos Factions were a mess in the recent past anyway. Releasing a 8th Ed Codex 2.0 because of so mich bloat, just to drop and invalidate a lot of it with a new edition and a gakload of campaign books later, was really a dickmove. I really feel like a repetition is incoming. They did btw similar to Slaves to Darkness in AOS, too. Released their first proper army book with rules that lacked any depths, only to release a lot of additions in a campaign 1 month later. The book was awfully off between fluff and rules, too.
It just seems GW has no designers with a spark of passion for Chaos.
I agree, the rumors of Lords having no jet packs really pisses me off the most. Lords in general look like gak now, with no mobility or bodyguard blobs theyre going to be killed pretty much instantly.
All the other cuts like Chosen and Terms having weird options ruins so much of my current armies. My Night Lords are literally unplayable now unless I tear apart my Chosen and winged HQs.
We don't seem to be getting a big feth you unit either, we are back to being Space Marines Lite with just a dash of demon seasoning.
New models are really cool, but when I'm going to be putting them back in the bag on turn 2 is it even worth it?
Super disappointed with this release
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"I prayed to that corpse for a millenia with no response, what makes you think he'll answer you?"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/06/03 14:05:18
Subject: Re:Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
The dark hollows of Kentucky
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I agree that what we've seen so far is disappointing, particularly "Spiky Doctrines" and the loss of jump packs for characters. But I still feel the need to remember that what we've seen is from an old playtest doc, and we've already seen that it was incomplete, lacking at least two new units. And since it's "old", it's entirely possible that this particular playtest doc does originate from early 9th, and therefore a lot of things could have been changed since then. In short, I'd like to see something more concrete before labeling the codex as DOA.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/06/03 14:07:38
Subject: Re:Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Gadzilla666 wrote: I agree that what we've seen so far is disappointing, particularly "Spiky Doctrines" and the loss of jump packs for characters. But I still feel the need to remember that what we've seen is from an old playtest doc, and we've already seen that it was incomplete, lacking at least two new units. And since it's "old", it's entirely possible that this particular playtest doc does originate from early 9th, and therefore a lot of things could have been changed since then. In short, I'd like to see something more concrete before labeling the codex as DOA.
That's a lot of words to say, 'wait and see'. You'll wind up becoming a pariah with that kind of talk!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/06/03 14:08:42
Subject: Re:Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
The Great State of New Jersey
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Gadzilla666 wrote: I agree that what we've seen so far is disappointing, particularly "Spiky Doctrines" and the loss of jump packs for characters. But I still feel the need to remember that what we've seen is from an old playtest doc, and we've already seen that it was incomplete, lacking at least two new units. And since it's "old", it's entirely possible that this particular playtest doc does originate from early 9th, and therefore a lot of things could have been changed since then. In short, I'd like to see something more concrete before labeling the codex as DOA.
This. Goes hand in hand with my prior statement regarding bikers coming at a later date too.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/06/03 15:15:20
Subject: Re:Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Lesser Daemon of Chaos
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Gadzilla666 wrote: I agree that what we've seen so far is disappointing, particularly "Spiky Doctrines" and the loss of jump packs for characters. But I still feel the need to remember that what we've seen is from an old playtest doc, and we've already seen that it was incomplete, lacking at least two new units. And since it's "old", it's entirely possible that this particular playtest doc does originate from early 9th, and therefore a lot of things could have been changed since then. In short, I'd like to see something more concrete before labeling the codex as DOA.
I sure hope so, but GW has conditioned me to never have faith in my army getting support. Hell I play my Blood Angels and Templars more than my Chaos Marines and both of those armies were my "just collecting for fun" armies
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"I prayed to that corpse for a millenia with no response, what makes you think he'll answer you?"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/06/03 15:40:56
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
The Great State of New Jersey
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/06/03 15:45:12
Subject: Re:Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
The dark hollows of Kentucky
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2x210 wrote: Gadzilla666 wrote: I agree that what we've seen so far is disappointing, particularly "Spiky Doctrines" and the loss of jump packs for characters. But I still feel the need to remember that what we've seen is from an old playtest doc, and we've already seen that it was incomplete, lacking at least two new units. And since it's "old", it's entirely possible that this particular playtest doc does originate from early 9th, and therefore a lot of things could have been changed since then. In short, I'd like to see something more concrete before labeling the codex as DOA.
I sure hope so, but GW has conditioned me to never have faith in my army getting support. Hell I play my Blood Angels and Templars more than my Chaos Marines and both of those armies were my "just collecting for fun" armies
Oh, I definitely understand that feeling, as the handling of CSM for the past 15 years after the loss of 3.5 haven't been very encouraging. But what we've seen so far has been incomplete and "weird" enough to make me think that at least some of it was a "work in progress". I fully expect that the "you get what's in the kit" weapon options for units like Terminators and Chosen to stick, as it's par for the course for gw in 9th edition codexes. But I have some (slight) hopes for our special rules and character options, as separating different character builds into separate datasheets is also par for the course for gw in 9th. So it's entirely possible that just like Traitor Guardsmen and the "Cultist Warband" those datasheets were just not included in the playtest doc.
Hopefully we'll see something solid soon, as the waiting is becoming a meme, at this point.
Edit: And finally they give us something. Thanks Chaos0xomega. Well spotted. Maybe now that the current HH hype is moving into "release mode" we'll finally get more CSM information.
And please, please, please, don't let "Let the Galaxy Burn" be "Spiky Doctrines".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/06/03 16:31:28
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
The Great State of New Jersey
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Something interesting I just noticed in the article, the last photo at the bottom, the greater possessed minis are in the background of the shot, but not standing near/in coherency with the new minis. I wonder if that means that they will be in the codex when it releases after all as a standalone unit option rather than just being extra possessed minis that you can use to bulk up your unit.
I'm also wondering if the Master of Possession might have some Possessed specific buffs to dish out, maybe an Aura.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/06/03 16:53:14
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
The dark hollows of Kentucky
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chaos0xomega wrote:Something interesting I just noticed in the article, the last photo at the bottom, the greater possessed minis are in the background of the shot, but not standing near/in coherency with the new minis. I wonder if that means that they will be in the codex when it releases after all as a standalone unit option rather than just being extra possessed minis that you can use to bulk up your unit.
I'm also wondering if the Master of Possession might have some Possessed specific buffs to dish out, maybe an Aura.
Considering that Greater Possessed are currently CHARACTER units that buff DAEMON (most likely to be changed to DAEMONKIN in the new codex), that would make sense. It would also really help out in building a pure/heavy DAEMONKIN army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/06/03 17:22:04
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Terrifying Doombull
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I really love the link drop to that one special edition model that essentially is the current sum total of the 'sonic forces of Slaanesh'
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Good to see something of an article, finally. And I do love that statline.
Though... for a unit of explicitly up to 10, anyone spot _anything_ in the pics that suggests these models aren't a monopose set of five?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/06/03 17:30:29
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Huge Bone Giant
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Voss wrote:Though... for a unit of explicitly up to 10, anyone spot _anything_ in the pics that suggests these models aren't a monopose set of five?
I don't think there's anything to spot. I doubt the studio has more than exactly those five models, regardless of whether they're monopose or have options. Best we can hope for in that regard is an article with employee/influencer models for a hint, or someone getting their hands on the sprues and posting them.
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Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone? |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/06/03 18:03:31
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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There's a particular wisdom behind the 'wait and see' point though.
You can't control the future and you can't change the past, so why worry? There's much gnashing of teeth and flapping of gums when it comes to Warhammer (I'm not immune to such proclivities), but less time fussing is more time living.
Possessed getting 26 attacks for a squad of 5 at str 5, ap -2, dam 2 is pretty juicy. That's base, not including marks, icons, legion traits, or doctrines.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/06/03 18:14:06
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Terrifying Doombull
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drbored wrote:There's a particular wisdom behind the 'wait and see' point though.
No there isn't. The 'wait and see' crowd will keep saying 'wait and see' no matter how much information is available. Even when the book is out the FAQ becomes the next 'wait and see' point.
You can't control the future and you can't change the past, so why worry?
That's probably the most blighted, nihilistic viewpoint I've encountered in a while. Even confining it to a discussion about wargames, dumpstering planning and consideration of consequences feels real weird.
There's much gnashing of teeth and flapping of gums when it comes to Warhammer (I'm not immune to such proclivities), but less time fussing is more time living.
'Fussing' isn't a zero-sum game. Neither is discussion. Both are part of life, not in opposition to it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/06/03 18:20:13
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I just love the models, I don't actually play. But if I did, I have a ton of converted possessed already *laughs in Word Bearer*
I wonder if World Eaters will keep them or get Megaslaughterer Mutationblooders instead.
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Looking for a Skaven Doomwheel banner to repair my Nurgle knights. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/06/03 18:20:56
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Well what you gain by whining about everything? Gw going to change something because of it?
Whining is useless. Voting with wallet only way that affects anything.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/06/03 18:24:39
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Germany
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We whined ourselves into getting Sisters of Battle made into a fully fledged plastic force, despite them bringing probably negative profits for ages.
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"Tabletop games are the only setting when a body is made more horrifying for NOT being chopped into smaller pieces."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/06/03 18:26:42
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Terrifying Doombull
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Plus, sometimes people want to simply discuss things, not pretend they're changing corporate behavior or feel the need to gatekeep what other people are allowed to talk about.
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Efficiency is the highest virtue. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/06/03 18:28:07
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Germany
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Actually there are a lot of examples in real life where mass backlash and whining changed things.
Look at Sonic.
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"Tabletop games are the only setting when a body is made more horrifying for NOT being chopped into smaller pieces."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/06/03 18:34:10
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Gore-Drenched Khorne Chaos Lord
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Voss wrote:Plus, sometimes people want to simply discuss things, not pretend they're changing corporate behavior or feel the need to gatekeep what other people are allowed to talk about.
Well, if you're not gatekeeping, just let people wait and see what happens.
For what it's worth I seem to recall Custodes were worthless trash at release until they suddenly won everything?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/06/03 18:37:50
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Terrifying Doombull
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Dudeface wrote:Voss wrote:Plus, sometimes people want to simply discuss things, not pretend they're changing corporate behavior or feel the need to gatekeep what other people are allowed to talk about.
Well, if you're not gatekeeping, just let people wait and see what happens.
 Let's not twist things. 'wait and see' almost always has a 'stop talking, haters' component to it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/06/03 18:45:15
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Gore-Drenched Khorne Chaos Lord
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Voss wrote:Dudeface wrote:Voss wrote:Plus, sometimes people want to simply discuss things, not pretend they're changing corporate behavior or feel the need to gatekeep what other people are allowed to talk about.
Well, if you're not gatekeeping, just let people wait and see what happens.
 Let's not twist things. 'wait and see' almost always has a 'stop talking, haters' component to it.
Yeah in this case we genuinely don't have a complete picture and there's people claiming the codex is dead on arrival etc. We do actually need to wait and see to get a final verdict on how "good" it will be as a book, by all means postulate on what we do have, but we're lacking a lot of info right now still.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/06/03 20:26:41
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh
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I think that the bottom picture is just using the 5 possessed figures, a dark apostle and, a starter set. I too was disappointed in the sonic link. I'm trying to look forward to making a slightly competitive EC army but the future is Grimdark.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/06/03 20:39:51
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Pestilent Plague Marine with Blight Grenade
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These rules look amazing. I do hope that the Death Guard possessed get upgraded stats to match the CSM ones. Though they do get the plague weapons and DR abilities, not to these new possessed, the DG ones are looking a little weak.
Binabik15 wrote:I just love the models, I don't actually play. But if I did, I have a ton of converted possessed already *laughs in Word Bearer*
I wonder if World Eaters will keep them or get Megaslaughterer Mutationblooders instead.
Considering how prominent Khorne Daemonkin have been in the game and lore (there's a small section dedicated to them on pg. 51 of the current codex), I have no doubt that possessed will be there. Maybe we could get mutilators as well.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/06/03 20:57:22
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Barpharanges
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Dudeface wrote:Voss wrote:Plus, sometimes people want to simply discuss things, not pretend they're changing corporate behavior or feel the need to gatekeep what other people are allowed to talk about.
Well, if you're not gatekeeping, just let people wait and see what happens.
For what it's worth I seem to recall Custodes were worthless trash at release until they suddenly won everything?
At the time there was basically a subsect of the Custodes player base - largely a causal, not a competitive one - which basically engaged primarily with many mediocre units in the Custodes range (and correctly) recognised a lot of Custodes units ... weren't actually all that great. Later on it became apparent Custodes had a strong selection of meta units, and these came to dominate the powerful 'winning every tournie' lists.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/06/03 21:33:41
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Slaanesh Chosen Marine Riding a Fiend
Australia
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Ugh, another mention of those horrid sonic weapons.
New Possessed look awesome. Can't wait to get my hands on them
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The Circle of Iniquity
The Fourth Seal
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/06/03 21:58:49
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Voss wrote:  Let's not twist things. 'wait and see' almost always has a 'stop talking, haters' component to it.
That's being extraordinarily generous to the part of the crowd that throws tantrums.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/06/04 02:35:27
Subject: Re:Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Pestilent Plague Marine with Blight Grenade
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One thing I noticed is that in the bottom picture, the two greater possessed models are in the back. It's my hope that they get bundled with the Master of Possession, maybe as some kind of support or body bodyguard unit, like Zardu Layak's Blade Guard.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/06/04 02:40:22
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Marshal Loss wrote:Ugh, another mention of those horrid sonic weapons.
New Possessed look awesome. Can't wait to get my hands on them
Yup they do look amazing! I can't wait to get them either!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/06/04 02:47:21
Subject: Chaos Space Marine codex rumours
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Ok, so, M9 to kinda sorta make up for those of us with units with full wings modelled. I believe that the studio probably only has 1 set of these painted up, but I suspect that each Possessed mini will have a whopping two configurations of tentacles/spikes/heads. Certainly nothing like the current kit, or even something like the endlessly adaptable Spawn kit. Of course now we have a division of rules for the same units between Codices. I doubt Death Guard will get an update. They get "old and busted" Possessed whilst CSM get the "new hotness" Possessed. And yes, I did just make a Men in Black reference from 25 years ago. Voss wrote:No there isn't. The 'wait and see' crowd will keep saying 'wait and see' no matter how much information is available. Even when the book is out the FAQ becomes the next 'wait and see' point.
Exactly. We've (waited and) seen the 'Wait an See' crowd say 'Wait and See' at every step of a journey up to and even after release. They appear to be terrified of committing to any sort of concrete opinion.
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