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Dudeface wrote:
Ah yes the "lets big up the chaos release and talk about some key units, here's a stock photo of them"
Uses the old now oop start collecting photo, containing 3 units that can't be purchased
"High five marketing team!"
Don't change GW

No worries, those models will probably be available in a bundle soon, that will no doubt cost the same as the start collecting, but not include the unit of CSM

Dudeface wrote:
Ah yes the "lets big up the chaos release and talk about some key units, here's a stock photo of them"
Uses the old now oop start collecting photo, containing 3 units that can't be purchased
"High five marketing team!"
Don't change GW

Four units. MoP seems to be absent from the GW site as well.

 xttz wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:


I feel like this rule was taken from somewhere else after the fluff section had been written and they changed the rule name to force it to fit.

It's a hack to give flamer weapons extra hits because they can't benefit from the exploding 6 rules.

Yes, it is. But its also
a) weird and out of nowhere
b) not particularly available on chaos units (well, not anymore, anyway)
c) way out of line with the odds of exploding 6s (statistically, if you have 6 shots, you'd expect 1 six (and 2 failures) for a total of 5 hits. Flamers averaging 3.5 hits (and shots) now jump straight to 5.5. On the rare occasion you're allowed to have 2 flamers, your 7 shots/hits (much closer to 6 shots from other guns) jump to 11)

 Grimtuff wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Ah yes the "lets big up the chaos release and talk about some key units, here's a stock photo of them"
Uses the old now oop start collecting photo, containing 3 units that can't be purchased
"High five marketing team!"
Don't change GW

Four units. MoP seems to be absent from the GW site as well.

Actually it was the possessed I discounted as they have at least broadcast a plan for letting you buy some of those.

Shame they didn't follow through with actually releasing them. ;\


I'd give GW a lot more credit if they actually acknowledged the mess.
Instead we get articles like this, which was obviously pre-written to the point that it doesn't even acknowledge the release date they just announced.

today wrote:Plunge the galaxy into a fiery doom when Codex: Chaos Space Marines arrives for pre-order soon, and stay tuned to Warhammer-Community.com for more juicy reveals as we get closer to release day.

yesterday wrote:Everything featured will all be available to pre-order from this coming Saturday. We kick things off in the most darkly-grim corner of the grim darkness of the far future – the Eye of Terror.

 Sim-Life wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/06/20/burn-down-the-galaxy-in-a-fit-of-wanton-destruction-with-codex-chaos-space-marines/



Should be a note you can't take two flamers in a standard CSM squad.

I feel like this rule was taken from somewhere else after the fluff section had been written and they changed the rule name to force it to fit.

it would be nice for my full squad of flamer chosen.... oh wait, they are illegal now
thanks gw, you can put the horn and make up away, we know you could and did do better.

@Tyel and Dudeface- Thank you for finding the answer (I didn't notice someone had already answered). I've been helping my friend practice for an event. He uses Balefire flamers, a lot, and for some odd reason when I saw Balefire my brain just filled in flamers rather than tome.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
@Tyel and Dudeface- Thank you for finding the answer (I didn't notice someone had already answered). I've been helping my friend practice for an event. He uses Balefire flamers, a lot, and for some odd reason when I saw Balefire my brain just filled in flamers rather than tome.

No problem. I'm having a similar issue with other things.
Its a lot easier to work stuff out with a book rather than flicking between multiple tabs.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/06/20/burn-down-the-galaxy-in-a-fit-of-wanton-destruction-with-codex-chaos-space-marines/



Should be a note you can't take two flamers in a standard CSM squad.

I feel like this rule was taken from somewhere else after the fluff section had been written and they changed the rule name to force it to fit.

it would be nice for my full squad of flamer chosen.... oh wait, they are illegal now
thanks gw, you can put the horn and make up away, we know you could and did do better.

Look buddy this was power gaming, abused new players, and shoved Chosen into a specific niche which they can now break out of ... by being slightly cheaper Terminators with no 2++ or 5++ or deep strike.

Also all Chosen should have different weapons - CSMs would NEVER use more than one weapon per squad - except for combi weapons - which they may only have TWO of.

Voss wrote:
Shame they didn't follow through with actually releasing them. ;\


I'd give GW a lot more credit if they actually acknowledged the mess.
Instead we get articles like this, which was obviously pre-written to the point that it doesn't even acknowledge the release date they just announced.

today wrote:Plunge the galaxy into a fiery doom when Codex: Chaos Space Marines arrives for pre-order soon, and stay tuned to Warhammer-Community.com for more juicy reveals as we get closer to release day.

yesterday wrote:Everything featured will all be available to pre-order from this coming Saturday. We kick things off in the most darkly-grim corner of the grim darkness of the far future – the Eye of Terror.

This to me just reiterates they're panic-dropping the book for some reason.

Dudeface wrote:

Voss wrote:
Shame they didn't follow through with actually releasing them. ;\


I'd give GW a lot more credit if they actually acknowledged the mess.
Instead we get articles like this, which was obviously pre-written to the point that it doesn't even acknowledge the release date they just announced.

today wrote:Plunge the galaxy into a fiery doom when Codex: Chaos Space Marines arrives for pre-order soon, and stay tuned to Warhammer-Community.com for more juicy reveals as we get closer to release day.

yesterday wrote:Everything featured will all be available to pre-order from this coming Saturday. We kick things off in the most darkly-grim corner of the grim darkness of the far future – the Eye of Terror.

This to me just reiterates they're panic-dropping the book for some reason.

i reckon they somewhere messed up the timetable, printed too early, got feedback that their new codex stinks, not necessarily from a rulesperspective but from a designperspective (which is worse, since you can buff rules and wargear / models but not fix overarching design) and are just throwing it out in the hopes that it wont cut into their sales figures.

Not Online!!! wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Voss wrote:
Shame they didn't follow through with actually releasing them. ;\


I'd give GW a lot more credit if they actually acknowledged the mess.
Instead we get articles like this, which was obviously pre-written to the point that it doesn't even acknowledge the release date they just announced.

today wrote:Plunge the galaxy into a fiery doom when Codex: Chaos Space Marines arrives for pre-order soon, and stay tuned to Warhammer-Community.com for more juicy reveals as we get closer to release day.

yesterday wrote:Everything featured will all be available to pre-order from this coming Saturday. We kick things off in the most darkly-grim corner of the grim darkness of the far future – the Eye of Terror.

This to me just reiterates they're panic-dropping the book for some reason.

i reckon they somewhere messed up the timetable, printed too early, got feedback that their new codex stinks, not necessarily from a rulesperspective but from a designperspective (which is worse, since you can buff rules and wargear / models but not fix overarching design) and are just throwing it out in the hopes that it wont cut into their sales figures.

Hope that the book hype etc will move on and ten release kits later so people buy in for the kits and not the rules maybe? Or there's a 2nd wave they have line dup and just want to smush them together (a man can dream).

 blood reaper wrote:


Look buddy this was power gaming, abused new players, and shoved Chosen into a specific niche which they can now break out of ... by being slightly cheaper Terminators with no 2++ or 5++ or deep strike.

Also all Chosen should have different weapons - CSMs would NEVER use more than one weapon per squad - except for combi weapons - which they may only have TWO of.

i appreciate the humor, but i feel like collectively we as csm players since 3.5 have repeatedly hoped for a decent designed dex only to repeatedly do the same thing (buy) a shoddy gw 40k csm dex.

its like Vaas from far cry 3 and his definition of insanity.

I don't see why everyone is upset, I mean the book will be otiose in a few months once 10th edition comes out.

(runs, hides, sorry/not sorry)

Dudeface wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Voss wrote:
Shame they didn't follow through with actually releasing them. ;\


I'd give GW a lot more credit if they actually acknowledged the mess.
Instead we get articles like this, which was obviously pre-written to the point that it doesn't even acknowledge the release date they just announced.

today wrote:Plunge the galaxy into a fiery doom when Codex: Chaos Space Marines arrives for pre-order soon, and stay tuned to Warhammer-Community.com for more juicy reveals as we get closer to release day.

yesterday wrote:Everything featured will all be available to pre-order from this coming Saturday. We kick things off in the most darkly-grim corner of the grim darkness of the far future – the Eye of Terror.

This to me just reiterates they're panic-dropping the book for some reason.

i reckon they somewhere messed up the timetable, printed too early, got feedback that their new codex stinks, not necessarily from a rulesperspective but from a designperspective (which is worse, since you can buff rules and wargear / models but not fix overarching design) and are just throwing it out in the hopes that it wont cut into their sales figures.

Hope that the book hype etc will move on and ten release kits later so people buy in for the kits and not the rules maybe? Or there's a 2nd wave they have line dup and just want to smush them together (a man can dream).

and sell them separately as an updated mid edition codex? in 10th?

¨double the book sales so it isn^'t even unlikely.

an absolute dick move for your custommer base but yeah, i can see gw pulling something like that.


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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I don't see why everyone is upset, I mean the book will be otiose in a few months once 10th edition comes out.

(runs, hides, sorry/not sorry)

Not Online!!! wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:


Look buddy this was power gaming, abused new players, and shoved Chosen into a specific niche which they can now break out of ... by being slightly cheaper Terminators with no 2++ or 5++ or deep strike.

Also all Chosen should have different weapons - CSMs would NEVER use more than one weapon per squad - except for combi weapons - which they may only have TWO of.

i appreciate the humor, but i feel like collectively we as csm players since 3.5 have repeatedly hoped for a decent designed dex only to repeatedly do the same thing (buy) a shoddy gw 40k csm dex.

its like Vaas from far cry 3 and his definition of insanity.

Yeah at this point I've come to the conclusion GW is largely if not entirely incapable of putting together a decent codex. It's not in their interests and they have none of the skills required to do it.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I don't see why everyone is upset, I mean the book will be otiose in a few months once 10th edition comes out.

You're using that word for evil Kid! That thread gave you too much power!!!

 blood reaper wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:


Look buddy this was power gaming, abused new players, and shoved Chosen into a specific niche which they can now break out of ... by being slightly cheaper Terminators with no 2++ or 5++ or deep strike.

Also all Chosen should have different weapons - CSMs would NEVER use more than one weapon per squad - except for combi weapons - which they may only have TWO of.

i appreciate the humor, but i feel like collectively we as csm players since 3.5 have repeatedly hoped for a decent designed dex only to repeatedly do the same thing (buy) a shoddy gw 40k csm dex.

its like Vaas from far cry 3 and his definition of insanity.

Yeah at this point I've come to the conclusion GW is largely if not entirely incapable of putting together a decent codex. It's not in their interests and they have none of the skills required to do it.

except they have competent ruleswriters and produced quality rules in the past, hell even in 9th they did some really good books considering GSC, nvm HH rules. its seemingly only the 40k team that has an internal muppetshow for half the writers.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I don't see why everyone is upset, I mean the book will be otiose in a few months once 10th edition comes out.

(runs, hides, sorry/not sorry)

And all the Chaos players will get to be in the glorious spot of Necron players, where they have the most god-awful Codex out of all for the entirety of the edition.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I don't see why everyone is upset, I mean the book will be otiose in a few months once 10th edition comes out.

You're using that word for evil Kid! That thread gave you too much power!!!

The hard part will be using it in conversation.

Now is it oh-tea-ohs, or oh-she-ohs, I've found both online.

I wonder if WE are getting the (assumed/rumored) new Bikers,and thats why we haven't seen them...
Just a wish...

GW learned in 8th that if you make a bad Chaos codex, you can just release a new one with a different hat a year or two later that doesn't actually solve any of the problems and maybe sell a campaign book at the same time for the suckers that though all the campaign content would be part of that new hat.

So, now that it's one blastmaster per unit of Noise marines ( ) should we still max them out at ten or go MSU ?

I'm going to mix mine. Normally I ran 3 units of 10 with 2 Blastmasters. Now, assuming I still play EC, I'll go with 2 max units and 2 MSUs. This way I can maximize the effect of the new Excrutiating Frequencies with a full back up unit and still get the flexability of the extra blastmaster.

My 2 cents.

You guys are going to mine all the salt at this rate!

charles_the_dead_lizzard wrote:
Accursed Weapons are ridiculous in a meta in which D2-3 is required to kill anything reliably.

Literally not true but OK.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
I'm going to mix mine. Normally I ran 3 units of 10 with 2 Blastmasters. Now, assuming I still play EC, I'll go with 2 max units and 2 MSUs. This way I can maximize the effect of the new Excrutiating Frequencies with a full back up unit and still get the flexability of the extra blastmaster.

My 2 cents.

Fair ! As far as support goes, even with a Dark apostle and a MoP, now that we no longer have access to Endless Cacophony on Noise I feel we can't really put all our eggs in one basket. Plus I want to try to build my list around our new secondary. So I'll take 3 min squad with blastmasters.

Btw, with the new Slanesh prayer and spell and us keeping honour the prince our melee capability seems at an all time high. I'm even tempted to put icons on my Noise and big axes on the champion for 4 always it on 2+ high strength and AP attacks

10 men Warp Talon bombs also look nasty with the right buffs.

Along with the Noise Marines I'm taking a max unit of Legionaires with bolt pistol and chain sword (sgt has plasma pistol). Originally they were also Noise Marines but with losing Kakophani and them being exactly the same as a marked Legionaire unit but 15 points more expensive they became Legionaires.

My general list is: Daemon Prince with wings, Termie Lord, Termie Sorcerer, HtH Legionaires max unit, Noise Marines 2x10 2x5, Termies (chainfist, hvy flamer) marked and, 3 oblits. Comes to exactly 2000 points.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
You guys are going to mine all the salt at this rate!

Okay, star defender. Go ahead and put out your defense for us. Please.

Just a quick question... So wanton slaughter is our longest lasting phase but where do we have access to lots of rapid fire and assault weapons that actually have an impact on the enemy???