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Voss wrote:
Yeah, but... does it do anything since they can't be marked? Nor do they have the chaos undivided keyword.

The ICON keyword at the very least is needed for the Word Bearer's secondary objective, and I can only imagine that there might be strats tied to it too.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
This is depressing.

Removed.
Removed.
Removed.
Removed.
Removed...

... and on and on it goes.

Without seeing the CSM Lord sheet some of that could be free wargear now, or renamed wargear like the chainaxe.

The 6th edition codex was . The only thing that saved it was IA13.

I'm with Dudeface. 3.5 uber alles.


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 ClockworkZion wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
This is depressing.

Removed.
Removed.
Removed.
Removed.
Removed...

... and on and on it goes.

Without seeing the CSM Lord sheet some of that could be free wargear now, or renamed wargear like the chainaxe.

You think lightning claws and jump packs are going to be free?

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
This is depressing.

Removed.
Removed.
Removed.
Removed.
Removed...

... and on and on it goes.

Without seeing the CSM Lord sheet some of that could be free wargear now, or renamed wargear like the chainaxe.

They already have the free wargear listed with 0 points instead of REMOVED, just look at the Chainfist and Power Fist entries for the Terminator lord below

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
The 6th edition codex was .

By itself, I completely agree. With the Legion supplement, flavor was reimplemented. It just needed some serious cleanup.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
The 6th edition codex was . The only thing that saved it was IA13.

I'm with Dudeface. 3.5 uber alles.


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 ClockworkZion wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
This is depressing.

Removed.
Removed.
Removed.
Removed.
Removed...

... and on and on it goes.

Without seeing the CSM Lord sheet some of that could be free wargear now, or renamed wargear like the chainaxe.

You think lightning claws and jump packs are going to be free?

I said some of it could be free. I never claimed all of it would be. Leave the strawman to farmers.

I'm hoping for a Jump Pack Relic more than expecting wargear.


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 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
This is depressing.

Removed.
Removed.
Removed.
Removed.
Removed...

... and on and on it goes.

Without seeing the CSM Lord sheet some of that could be free wargear now, or renamed wargear like the chainaxe.

They already have the free wargear listed with 0 points instead of REMOVED, just look at the Chainfist and Power Fist entries for the Terminator lord below

And are they assuming those are free because they're in the kit? Because if they're breaking NDA to let slip codex content early that could cause them trouble.

Blah. Nevermind. Autocannon thing isn't true, it was renamed and the tabletop tactics clunky spreadsheet missed it.

Voss wrote:
Welp, guess we aren't getting the Shadowspear marines back. Autocannon is deleted as an option for CSM troops.

That's a pretty recent model to get a _VOID_ stamp.

Pretty sure we covered that it's now called something else?

Voss wrote:
Welp, guess we aren't getting the Shadowspear marines back. Autocannon is deleted as an option for CSM troops.

That's a pretty recent model to get a _VOID_ stamp.

It's the Havoc Autocannon now.

If someone says something directed at "Dae Haters!" and then proceeds to post a purposefully inflamatory opinion, I think it's safe to say one probably shouldn't engage

Dudeface wrote:

Voss wrote:
Welp, guess we aren't getting the Shadowspear marines back. Autocannon is deleted as an option for CSM troops.

That's a pretty recent model to get a _VOID_ stamp.

Pretty sure we covered that it's now called something else?

"Havoc" autocannon
Because the normal autocannon doesn't cut it no more, it gained an additional -1 ap for a staggering -2 AP....


I wonder what could've been the reason for that change...

Yeah, nevermind. I was looking at the long list of 'removed' from the other website and didn't realize they missed the rename.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
The 6th edition codex was . The only thing that saved it was IA13.

I'm with Dudeface. 3.5 uber alles.


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 ClockworkZion wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
This is depressing.

Removed.
Removed.
Removed.
Removed.
Removed...

... and on and on it goes.

Without seeing the CSM Lord sheet some of that could be free wargear now, or renamed wargear like the chainaxe.

You think lightning claws and jump packs are going to be free?

I said some of it could be free. I never claimed all of it would be. Leave the strawman to farmers.

I'm hoping for a Jump Pack Relic more than expecting wargear.

I'm not "strawmaning", I'm trying to find out what I need to "wait and see". So, ok, you don't expect "free" jump packs and lightning claws. What are you expecting? Bolters and chainswords? Because I seriously doubt that combi-weapons are going to be free, and that's pretty much everything that's missing.

 blood reaper wrote:
Chaos Space Marines can't take autocannons now?

EDIT: NM it's now called a Havoc Autocannon

Strangely enough, Havocs don't get a Havoc Autocannon (or any other autocannon) according to this leak.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
Chaos Space Marines can't take autocannons now?

EDIT: NM it's now called a Havoc Autocannon

Strangely enough, Havocs don't get a Havoc Autocannon (or any other autocannon) according to this leak.

Or they come with them standard.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
Chaos Space Marines can't take autocannons now?

EDIT: NM it's now called a Havoc Autocannon

Strangely enough, Havocs don't get a Havoc Autocannon (or any other autocannon) according to this leak.

No, they do, its just free for them, same as heavy bolters. The points list isn't an access list (one of many reasons this format is terrible)

As said yesterday:

RazorEdge wrote:
what wants GW with the Game?

Rules are over and over bloated like a rotten cadaver but Army List options are limited like a joke... Killteam 2nd Edition is an unreasonable demand and a crime on army build.

I fear 10th Edition will be a devolution to very very basic core rules and very limited options.

I remember thinking 5th Edition was the worst edition...

Codex Chaos Space Marine is a new travesty.

Also Terminators are either getting Icons for free or they can't get them since the Icons are not on the list of options.

I certainly am going to miss my combi-bolter Aspiring Champions. They were often my CSM AC of choice, if for no other reason as to show off part of Black Legion's subfaction ability with almost all the RF weapons it applied to. But not only that, so many games had them go 'Lone Luna Wolf' and do way more than a single 1W CSM should have ever been able to accomplish. You marines will be punishing the loyalists in the Realm of Souls now, and you've certainly earned it. It's a shame, all 3 of them really had Chaos Lord or even Daemon Prince potential...

I guess my 4 converted aspiring champions with combi-bolter can go get fethed

Same with my daemon prince's ranged weapon project, that's canceled

My chaos lord with jump pack and thunder hammer can go feth himself too

Everyone just keep emailing GW. We can't accept this.

ph34r wrote:Same with my daemon prince's ranged weapon project, that's canceled

Just delayed til about December. New one has a gun. The datasheet in the codex has less than six months of life to it.

Voss wrote:

ph34r wrote:Same with my daemon prince's ranged weapon project, that's canceled

Just delayed til about December. New one has a gun. The datasheet in the codex has less than six months of life to it.

Well, that's confusing.

 ph34r wrote:

Voss wrote:

ph34r wrote:Same with my daemon prince's ranged weapon project, that's canceled

Just delayed til about December. New one has a gun. The datasheet in the codex has less than six months of life to it.

Well, that's confusing.

Yeah. It got leaked, so they showed off the model during the Warhammer Fest Preview. But it isn't coming out until around the Slaves to Darkness release in December. Or maybe the Chaos Daemons Codex sometime off around that time. But until then, the codex datasheet is for the current model, not the model that we already know exists.

On the plus side, the new one looks much better and has god specific heads, and a warp bolter arm option.
On the downside, the whole thing highlights how pointlessly ephemeral this release model is.

Voss wrote:

 ph34r wrote:

Voss wrote:

ph34r wrote:Same with my daemon prince's ranged weapon project, that's canceled

Just delayed til about December. New one has a gun. The datasheet in the codex has less than six months of life to it.

Well, that's confusing.

Yeah. It got leaked, so they showed off the model during the Warhammer Fest Preview. But it isn't coming out until around the Slaves to Darkness release in December. Or maybe the Chaos Daemons Codex sometime off around that time. But until then, the codex datasheet is for the current model, not the model that we already know exists.

On the plus side, the new one looks much better and has god specific heads, and a warp bolter arm option.
On the downside, the whole thing highlights how pointlessly ephemeral this release model is.

I mean we're making the bold assumption that they'll update the chaos marine prince at all rather than just giving daemons the new profile.

Dudeface wrote:

Voss wrote:

 ph34r wrote:

Voss wrote:

ph34r wrote:Same with my daemon prince's ranged weapon project, that's canceled

Just delayed til about December. New one has a gun. The datasheet in the codex has less than six months of life to it.

Well, that's confusing.

Yeah. It got leaked, so they showed off the model during the Warhammer Fest Preview. But it isn't coming out until around the Slaves to Darkness release in December. Or maybe the Chaos Daemons Codex sometime off around that time. But until then, the codex datasheet is for the current model, not the model that we already know exists.

On the plus side, the new one looks much better and has god specific heads, and a warp bolter arm option.
On the downside, the whole thing highlights how pointlessly ephemeral this release model is.

I mean we're making the bold assumption that they'll update the chaos marine prince at all rather than just giving daemons the new profile.

Not... really. They took pains to show off the 'daemon marine ascendant' builds of the model and tie it into the Chaos Marine release during the preview show.
There are some limits to their crappy behavior, and it generally stops well before _not_ selling a model.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
You think lightning claws and jump packs are going to be free?

While I personally do not, I could not begrudge someone for believing that. It would still be far from the dumbest move GW has made with this codex.


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RazorEdge wrote:
Codex Chaos Space Marine is a new travesty.

Few expected otherwise. Says a lot that the basic abandonment of creativity and narrative in giving CSM the same doctrine ability loyalists have is a minor point in the list of criticisms.

Boy oh boy, the corporate simps were out in force today huh? My condolences to active CSM players. At least your sacrifice provoked some water carrying worth witnessing. I liked the "lightning claws never existed" one.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
This is depressing.

Removed.
Removed.
Removed.
Removed.
Removed...

... and on and on it goes.

They took out the Warpsmith's plasma pistol?! That's the only gun he comes with!

Has it been said anywhere which discipline the Balefire tome has access to? And I'm presuming that it's cast 1 deny 1 and already knows smite (silly to presume but...).