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congrats Gw, you convinced me not to buy the new possessed models! ...

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Liam Dempsey's review of the codex goes live at 5 AM. It's subtitled "Ruined before release". Doesn't sound positive. And Liam is a pretty chill guy........

Caught the tail end of it.

Described it as underwhelming.

Sounds like he's having to bite his tongue and not outright admit they'll be low/bottom tier. Seems to be another case where sending it to the printers six months ago means it's trailing behind the recent Armour of Contempt/Nephilim changes.

Crusade section sounds nice.

OK, so cultists may have a heavy stubber, flamer and grenade launcher, as in all 3, then maybe have 2 of each at 15 or more in the unit. Seems...messy.


Video review with dataslate shots by GMG.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ljhbZ4mx0Ig

Dudeface wrote:
OK, so cultists may have a heavy stubber, flamer and grenade launcher, as in all 3, then maybe have 2 of each at 15 or more in the unit. Seems...messy.


Video review with dataslate shots by GMG.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ljhbZ4mx0Ig

Kind of to be expected, really. GW have been doing crap like that for a while, all because they don't put multiple special weapons in a box.

 Alexonian wrote:
congrats Gw, you convinced me not to buy the new possessed models! ...

Is this because of the lack of core? Because I agree that that is bs. I'm definitely going to be writing to GW about that, the lack of a jump lord, the unfair rule that Cult Marines can't take Legion traits, and the fact that Exalted Champions can only take a combi-melta and power axe. Will it do any good? Who knows? But I feel that I need to have my voice heard.

To anyone out there, would it be more effective to write a letter or email?

My take away from reviews so far.


Yay mere mortal virus has infected csm aswell.
Still wombo combo , especially traits and relics. Oh and seemingly not written with nephilim in mind. Fun ....
Equipment more standardised than ultramarine successor which eat, breath and probably Love their codex astartes.
Random Tag issues, cue possessed not core f.e.
No custom traits.

So Predators are now T8 und the Annihilator got the new twin soulshatter Lascanon in the turret.....

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
To anyone out there, would it be more effective to write a letter or email?

There is no effective way to communicate complaints to GW.

You can not buy things. If enough other people don't buy things, they might stop selling it.

That's the only language the company understands.

Welp. No super doctrines in the end. Who wants to bet they'll be sold later in an expansion book alongside the 2nd wave of new models ?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
OK, so cultists may have a heavy stubber, flamer and grenade launcher, as in all 3, then maybe have 2 of each at 15 or more in the unit. Seems...messy.


Video review with dataslate shots by GMG.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ljhbZ4mx0Ig

Kind of to be expected, really. GW have been doing crap like that for a while, all because they don't put multiple special weapons in a box.

Oh no I think you misunderstand me, they're 1 per 10 atm, so going to all 3 at any size up to 14 is odd then 6 specials at 15 is mental compared to what they have now.

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:
Welp. No super doctrines in the end. Who wants to bet they'll be sold later in an expansion book alongside the 2nd wave of new models ?

But but but we got 2+ hit flamers, clearly that compensates superdoctrines

 techsoldaten wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
To anyone out there, would it be more effective to write a letter or email?

There is no effective way to communicate complaints to GW.

You can not buy things. If enough other people don't buy things, they might stop selling it.

That's the only language the company understands.

Yeah, you keep believing that.

Of course, you absolutely shouldn't buy the stuff you don't feel is worth your money, not going to argue that.

But if you want to make your criticism heard, write a mail and voice your opinion on relevant social media platforms. Relevant being the key here - use facebook, twitter, tiktok, reddit, youtube or whatever. Anything that is a forum software is not relevant.

Well the Exalted Champion is exactly as rumoured. No more. No less.

That's depressing.

Also:

 Jidmah wrote:

 techsoldaten wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
To anyone out there, would it be more effective to write a letter or email?

There is no effective way to communicate complaints to GW.

You can not buy things. If enough other people don't buy things, they might stop selling it.

That's the only language the company understands.

Yeah, you keep believing that.

Of course, you absolutely shouldn't buy the stuff you don't feel is worth your money, not going to argue that.

But if you want to make your criticism heard, write a mail and voice your opinion on relevant social media platforms. Relevant being the key here - use facebook, twitter, tiktok, reddit, youtube or whatever. Anything that is a forum software is not relevant.

Oh, I'll definitely be doing that. Also, is it just me, or was the ability to make custom warbands removed?

 ArcaneHorror wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

 techsoldaten wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
To anyone out there, would it be more effective to write a letter or email?

There is no effective way to communicate complaints to GW.

You can not buy things. If enough other people don't buy things, they might stop selling it.

That's the only language the company understands.

Yeah, you keep believing that.

Of course, you absolutely shouldn't buy the stuff you don't feel is worth your money, not going to argue that.

But if you want to make your criticism heard, write a mail and voice your opinion on relevant social media platforms. Relevant being the key here - use facebook, twitter, tiktok, reddit, youtube or whatever. Anything that is a forum software is not relevant.

Oh, I'll definitely be doing that. Also, is it just me, or was the ability to make custom warbands removed?

Yep. Definitely betting on an expansion book

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:
Welp. No super doctrines in the end. Who wants to bet they'll be sold later in an expansion book alongside the 2nd wave of new models ?

There's no rules for the non-RC Renegades and they were sold separately with Vigilus, so that seems likely.

Almost time for this edition's version of Psychic Awakening right?

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Yeah, if Chaos ascendant blessing put a Primarch above the Emperor it makes sense it would put a marine above a Primarch. Abby also has WAY more experience than Guilliman at this point, and better wargear to boot.

Right. Chaos could boost a half-marine Luther to be a threat to Lion El'Jonson.

Um, at least the Baleflamer is 2D3 hits?

EviscerationPlague wrote:
Um, at least the Baleflamer is 2D3 hits?

2D3+2 !

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:
Um, at least the Baleflamer is 2D3 hits?

2D3+2 !

AKA Discordant is autotake.

 Crimson wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Yeah, if Chaos ascendant blessing put a Primarch above the Emperor it makes sense it would put a marine above a Primarch. Abby also has WAY more experience than Guilliman at this point, and better wargear to boot.

Right. Chaos could boost a half-marine Luther to be a threat to Lion El'Jonson.

Same with Kor Phaeron, who almost killed Guilliman.

The Night Lords trait was actually nerfed from its playtest version. No more +1 to advance and charge. We did get the +1 to wound in melee though.....against L5, not L6. So much for it working on loyalists.

And the only CSM character that can have a Jump Pack is a named Black Legion character.

There's some pretty good stuff in this book (the Malefic discipline kicks ), but those missing jump packs might be a deal breaker for me. Here's hoping for our Autarch moment.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
The Night Lords trait was actually nerfed from its playtest version. No more +1 to advance and charge. We did get the +1 to wound in melee though.....against L5, not L6. So much for it working on loyalists.

And the only CSM character that can have a Jump Pack is a named Black Legion character.

There's some pretty good stuff in this book (the Malefic discipline kicks ), but those missing jump packs might be a deal breaker for me. Here's hoping for our Autarch moment.

Red Corsairs got nerfed from the playtest version as well it looks like.

What do Red Corsairs do now?

And what was in the playtest version?

This codex is a mess, and I can't tell if it's shift in design philsophy or just really phoned in.

No Super Doctrines? Does that mean they are going away in SM 2.0 too? If so, I'm okay with it. That being said, it sure feels like CSM are missing an extra rule somewhere.

The Marks/Icons divide is stupid. There is zero reason why I should not be able to mark all Daemonkin units.

No custom faction building... is that something going away moving forward or they just didn't put in the work to balance it.

I'm okay with most of the accursed weapons... Powerfists and LC should not have been accursed weapons though.

I went from wanting to play Nightlords, to not with the LD 5 change. That just ruined them.


My cursory guess on power is that BL/WB/EC are going to be the strongest legions. BL just gets all the benefit with Abbadon, and the other two just have a lot of baked in power.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well the Exalted Champion is exactly as rumoured. No more. No less.

That's depressing.

Yup. And based on a model that they haven't sold in, how long? Seriously, we lose Jump Lords because they removed the model after they wrote the codex, and Exalted Champions are stuck with a loadout based on a model that they may have stopped selling before they wrote it. No rime or reason to any of this.

The Codex has so many good things - kernels of great ideas and inspired content - but is brought down but massive deal-breakers.

Sorry if this has already been talked about, but is the Noctilith Crown in the codex?

It's been unavailable on the GW site for so long that I had assumed that they were going to remove it.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
The Night Lords trait was actually nerfed from its playtest version. No more +1 to advance and charge. We did get the +1 to wound in melee though.....against L5, not L6. So much for it working on loyalists.

Though that does mean that Raptors and – crucially – the new Possessed will get the +1 to wound against a lot of units, seeing as they bring a native -1 Ld on top of the trait. Also, do we know if the trait stacks? Its range has increased to 9", so it might not be that difficult to bring Ld8 units down to 5.
Possessed needing 4+ to wound against anything that's T6 to T9 sounds OK. Plus you can warp-mark their target for another +1 (do bonuses to wound rolls stack? they do, right?).

Now, off to ebay to buy some more of those Greater Possessed to fill in the gap until GW actually starts selling the new ones, lol.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well the Exalted Champion is exactly as rumoured. No more. No less.

That's depressing.

Yup. And based on a model that they haven't sold in, how long? Seriously, we lose Jump Lords because they removed the model after they wrote the codex, and Exalted Champions are stuck with a loadout based on a model that they may have stopped selling before they wrote it. No rime or reason to any of this.

Yeah I'm thinking Red Corsairs Battalion and Black Legion Outrider potentially.