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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
If they sold the upgrade sprue separately, it'd cost 45% the cost of the actual box and you'd feel bad after buying it.

Well they COULD sell it at a reasonable price, in theory. Unfortunately I don't blame anyone for discarding that idea without consideration.

It’s $65 for the kill team set, not $70. So paying $5 for the upgrade sprue seems a no brainer

 bullyboy wrote:
It’s $65 for the kill team set, not $70. So paying $5 for the upgrade sprue seems a no brainer

The heavy chainaxe is fun, since it effectively gives you an extra power fist.

Shrivetalon and Anointed don't have 40k rules but they're neat conversion bits.

Reaper Chaincannon is pretty nice, especially paired with a Heavy Bolter in a ranged squad, helps up the dakka.

The Daemon Blade and Baleflame Tome are decent options to add some mortal wounds to your army.

For many of them however, I wouldn't recommend putting them all into the same squad, so really, getting one box of the Kill Team Legionaries and a couple boxes of the regular Chaos Marines will help you save... 5 bucks and stretch those bits.

 bullyboy wrote:
It’s $65 for the kill team set, not $70. So paying $5 for the upgrade sprue seems a no brainer

Ah, $5 extra on the rebox is very different from $10, I don't mind that at all.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/07/17/sunday-preview-mortal-minions-bask-in-the-power-of-the-dark-gods/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sunday-preview&utm_content=sundaypreview

Chosen
Warpsmith
Dark commune
Cultists
"Warp forged pack" (Venomcrawler + 2 oblits)

Up for preorder next week

Finally. Still no master of possession and he was on a senate sprue to begin with

Probably next week

So who's betting on the Cultists being £32.50/$55 ?

Why couldn't they have announced those would be released on X date back when the codex hit?

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Why couldn't they have announced those would be released on X date back when the codex hit?

Probably should have, but something appears to have gone very wrong logistics wise for them.

RIP Ebay Scalpers though, Oblits were selling for something like 60 a pop.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Why couldn't they have announced those would be released on X date back when the codex hit?

GW never announces when a model will be released before the announcement of the next week's preorder. Why would be any different in this case? The only reason to panic buy is impatience.

You know I've finally figured out what annoys me about modern Chaos Marine Models, and it's the fact that practically every marine wears a loincloth/loinchainmail. I find that it makes the model looks too busy and it is unsuitable for the less ritualistic of the chaos legions (Iron warriors, Night lords, World Eaters, etc.)

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Why couldn't they have announced those would be released on X date back when the codex hit?

So csm is supposea to be snowflake release done differently to others for...reasons?

tneva82 wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Why couldn't they have announced those would be released on X date back when the codex hit?

So csm is supposea to be snowflake release done differently to others for...reasons?

Releasing with no models is pretty snowflake as is.

And they confirmed the cultists box is Autopistol and CCW only, no weapon options and no Autoguns. What a worthless release.

 Scottywan82 wrote:
And they confirmed the cultists box is Autopistol and CCW only, no weapon options and no Autoguns. What a worthless release.

I'm quietly expecting them to be a fair bit more than the £20 I'd be willing to pay for them as well.

Dudeface wrote:

 Scottywan82 wrote:
And they confirmed the cultists box is Autopistol and CCW only, no weapon options and no Autoguns. What a worthless release.

I'm quietly expecting them to be a fair bit more than the £20 I'd be willing to pay for them as well.

The price doesn't even get to be a factor for me. I can't imagine why I'd ever run them with pistols and close combat weapons. It's less than half of what should be in there. Just pathetically lazy. They could be £10 and I'd still pass.

Make a fething box with the proper options, you useless sacks of gak.

So, Obliterators finally get a (sort of) separate box. Be interesting to see the pricing on that, as you'll need 2 boxes to build a full squad (and then you'll have one extra model left over).

I guessed they'd release the 2 Oblits/Venomcrawler as a separate release.

I expect it to be mightily expensive...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I guessed they'd release the 2 Oblits/Venomcrawler as a separate release.

I expect it to be mightily expensive...

Guessing £60. Although even that seems less than insane so maybe £75.

Really puzzled by how GW continues to treat Chaos. Cultists are a main part of the Codex since 6th Edition, yet they only ever get some monopose leftover models.
Obliterators are one of the strongest units edition after edition, and one of the most iconic, but still languished in Failcast for eternity only to get replaced by monopose models from a Starterbox. Apparently GW couldn't care to make a proper Set for them combining them with Mutilators (as everybody expected them to do since shadowspear), so they just rerelease a sprue that should have never stopped being sold to begin with.

I get the feeling that GW learned in 6th / 7th they have to do something with CSM, but outside of DG and TS they really don't know what to do with the army and models, so Codex and models are a strange Patchwork again and again. Which is bad when they're supposed to represent the main evil guys and when they have the same roots as the poster boys.

So to sum up - we got a codex that took away half our options (again), it's taking ages for the new models to be released, and when the models ARE released they will be monopose with not even a weapon swap. At this point I get the sense that there is actual malice towards CSM as a faction from somewhere in GW. It just doesn't make sense otherwise.

Every few years I get the urge to pick up my paintbrush again, only to get smacked away with more disappointment. I can sort of accept the ruleswriting being almost criminally negligent because I came into this hobby right when the 3.5 book was on its way out, so I don't even remember a time when Chaos had decent rules. But when not even the miniatures hold up, when said miniatures are supposed to be where all the money comes from, what's even the point of the release? I can't express how much it frustrates me to look around the internet and see all these circular arguments about whether Night Lords have been screwed over when even as a Word Bearer, for whom this codex is supposedly a buff and for whom the models are pretty blatantly geared towards, I can't get excited.

I've yet to see any evidence that the Possessed will have more than one or two spare bits. Possessed. I'd love to be wrong but at this point it really looks like what should be the weirdest and most diverse unit in the game is being reduced to the same five models forever. They don't even look that mutated compared to the rest of the range. I can hear the cries of "just convert bro" and I'd be joining that chorus if GW didn't actively make it such a pain in the rear to do any converting because the head is actually part of the backpack and the right hand is the same bit as the left foot and the torso is cut three billion different directions. Is it Chapterhouse's fault? Is it Rountree's leadership? What happened to this company? Why is it that every time I think about GW I think "gee I miss the Kirby era more and more every day"? How is that even possible?

/existential crisis. The Long War continues, brothers.

And I guess just so that this post has a sliver of positivity, it's pretty nice that the Kill Team box is only $5 extra. Now if only it had an autocannon so we had access to the options GW actually deigned to give us.

I'm scratching my head right now trying to work out which of these models are re-releases from various boxes and which are completely new - especially since we keep seeing stuff in previews.

Cultists Box - ???

Dark Commune - New?

Chosen - uhhh....?

Warpsmith - this was in one of those 2-army boxes, right?

Warpforged - and I believe so were these. Shadowspear?

Anyone able to help me out? GW's constant limited releases and re-releases make some of this stuff as clear as mud!

 Azazelx wrote:
I'm scratching my head right now trying to work out which of these models are re-releases from various boxes and which are completely new - especially since we keep seeing stuff in previews.

Cultists Box - ???

Dark Commune - New?

Chosen - uhhh....?

Warpsmith - this was in one of those 2-army boxes, right?

Warpforged - and I believe so were these. Shadowspear?

Anyone able to help me out? GW's constant limited releases and re-releases make some of this stuff as clear as mud!

Cultists and Dark Commune are new, everything else is a re-relase.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Really puzzled by how GW continues to treat Chaos. Cultists are a main part of the Codex since 6th Edition, yet they only ever get some monopose leftover models.

The weirdest thing is, these aren't leftovers. This is chaos cultists attempt #6, in an actual box. This what they thought chaos players wanted.... for some reason.
Really old metals
6th/7th edition starter sets (mix of rifles, pistol/ccw and even a few special weapons.)
BSF traitor guard (mix)
BSF Cultists of the Abyss (mix)
KT traitor guard (mix)
and now... this. Somehow this is what they settled on after years of flailing with the concept of cultists. This is worse than everything that came before, and I can't even begin to fathom why they did these and the KT traitors at the same time, but chose these to go in the codex and left out the traitor guard.


The worst part is, I actually like these as individual sculpts. They're good-looking, have character and aren't over-wrought or overly ornate.
But for game pieces they're the absolute last way I'd field them on the table. And no options.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Cultists and Dark Commune are new, everything else is a re-relase.

Thanks mate!

The distance between Eldritch Omens coming out in February and finally getting the Warpsmith and Chosen here in July is pretty insane.

Just need the Possessed, Accursed Cultists, and Master of Possession, which I'm expecting to be the next wave, HOPEFULLY the following week, but who knows, really? Could be another month before we see them as GW prioritizes things like Warcry and Underworlds instead.

As for the Cultists, I fully expect Chaos Marine 10th edition codex to get rid of any options that cultists have and limit them to just close combat weapons and pistols. They're just trying to sell more of the Cultists of the Abyss (soon to be reboxed as 'Cultist Warband') which has your autoguns, grenade launcher, and heavy stubber. Oh, but of course only 4 autoguns, so you'll need 2 boxes for enough models for a squad of 10... but that spits in the face of GW doing 'just in the box'... but then it remains inconsistent, so it seems to check out.

Voss wrote:
The weirdest thing is, these aren't leftovers. This is chaos cultists attempt #6, in an actual box. This what they thought chaos players wanted.... for some reason.
Really old metals
6th/7th edition starter sets (mix of rifles, pistol/ccw and even a few special weapons.)
BSF traitor guard (mix)
BSF Cultists of the Abyss (mix)
KT traitor guard (mix)
and now... this. Somehow this is what they settled on after years of flailing with the concept of cultists. This is worse than everything that came before, and I can't even begin to fathom why they did these and the KT traitors at the same time, but chose these to go in the codex and left out the traitor guard.


The worst part is, I actually like these as individual sculpts. They're good-looking, have character and aren't over-wrought or overly ornate.
But for game pieces they're the absolute last way I'd field them on the table. And no options.

This is exactly it. I was over the moon when I saw rumors of plastic cultists in a real box. When they previewed them and they matched the BSF cultists, I was ready to dole out cash for them on the spot. What could possibly have been going on that they genuinely thought this loadout with monopose figures was what ANYONE wanted? This was a waste of everyone's time. The sculptor, the painters, the marketing team, the customers. This hasn't even released and I am already back where I was when BSF came out: wondering when - if ever - we will get a real fething set of cultists.


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drbored wrote:
As for the Cultists, I fully expect Chaos Marine 10th edition codex to get rid of any options that cultists have and limit them to just close combat weapons and pistols. They're just trying to sell more of the Cultists of the Abyss (soon to be reboxed as 'Cultist Warband') which has your autoguns, grenade launcher, and heavy stubber. Oh, but of course only 4 autoguns, so you'll need 2 boxes for enough models for a squad of 10... but that spits in the face of GW doing 'just in the box'... but then it remains inconsistent, so it seems to check out.

If that is genuinely their expectation for customer behavior, I suggest they wish for it in one hand and gak in the other, and see which one gets filled first.

And the Firebrand is now just a Cultist with a Heavy Flamer.

 Scottywan82 wrote:

Voss wrote:
The weirdest thing is, these aren't leftovers. This is chaos cultists attempt #6, in an actual box. This what they thought chaos players wanted.... for some reason.
Really old metals
6th/7th edition starter sets (mix of rifles, pistol/ccw and even a few special weapons.)
BSF traitor guard (mix)
BSF Cultists of the Abyss (mix)
KT traitor guard (mix)
and now... this. Somehow this is what they settled on after years of flailing with the concept of cultists. This is worse than everything that came before, and I can't even begin to fathom why they did these and the KT traitors at the same time, but chose these to go in the codex and left out the traitor guard.


The worst part is, I actually like these as individual sculpts. They're good-looking, have character and aren't over-wrought or overly ornate.
But for game pieces they're the absolute last way I'd field them on the table. And no options.

This is exactly it. I was over the moon when I saw rumors of plastic cultists in a real box. When they previewed them and they matched the BSF cultists, I was ready to dole out cash for them on the spot. What could possibly have been going on that they genuinely thought this loadout with monopose figures was what ANYONE wanted? This was a waste of everyone's time. The sculptor, the painters, the marketing team, the customers. This hasn't even released and I am already back where I was when BSF came out: wondering when - if ever - we will get a real fugging set of cultists.

So you mean, exactly how they did it when they made a new Boyz kit? Picking the worst loadout possible and giving no other options?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And the Firebrand is now just a Cultist with a Heavy Flamer.

Not even a heavy flamer, just a flamer.