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 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:
No mutilators also. You know, an actual model that GW sold.



I don't know why that one rubs me the wrong way so much. I never bought the kit (let's all admit it, it was pants, but so were the old oblit models) but I converted up 6 of them. I know I'm not the only one. I don't know why the utter apathy and derision for their fanbase ever surprises me, but yet it happens every time. I guess I'm the sucker.

They weren't in the prior book, right? I can't even remember at the moment. I'm guessing they just let those fall off the radar.

Sad that they're officially legendeding jump packs.

Mutilators were absolutely in the 8e book. They only stopped selling them when the 9e codex went on pre-order IIRC, same as the jump pack lord.

Not Online!!! wrote:
So when will SM lose access to HH units, HQ on bikes, HQ with Juppacks?

merely curious, is all.

To be fair, they Legended a bunch of that stuff for Loyalists too.

This is more stupid though since the Jump Lord was literally still for sale not long ago.

Not Online!!! wrote:So when will SM lose access to HH units, HQ on bikes, HQ with Juppacks?

merely curious, is all.

They won't, and we all know it. Worst case scenario? They lose jump packs for firstborn, but they're immediately replaced by a shiny new Primaris HQ with a Jump Pack. In fact, that's already in the rumour mill, isn't it?

And the only reason we have HH stuff is because fw gave them to us in IA13. They only remain because they're grandfathered in. Give them time.....

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:
No mutilators also. You know, an actual model that GW sold.



I don't know why that one rubs me the wrong way so much. I never bought the kit (let's all admit it, it was pants, but so were the old oblit models) but I converted up 6 of them. I know I'm not the only one. I don't know why the utter apathy and derision for their fanbase ever surprises me, but yet it happens every time. I guess I'm the sucker.

They weren't in the prior book, right? I can't even remember at the moment. I'm guessing they just let those fall off the radar.

Sad that they're officially legendeding jump packs.

Yes, Mutilators were in the 8th edition codex.

And yes, it's "sad" that they're basically sending the most iconic HQs of an entire Legion to Legends. But hey, Black Legion still get one, don't they?

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Not all of them. No fists for Chosen. No claws for Raptor Champs. Same asinine weapon limits on combi-weapons/fists/chainfists in Terminator units. And the Exalted Champ still has to take a Combi-Weapon.

And apparently lightning claws are "free" for Chaos Lords, as they don't have a price. Typical low effort . Whelp, guess Night Lords are a Legends army now.

So you think lightning claws should be more expensive than thunderhammer and plasma pistol? As price of those is on lord so if lc cost more you are paying th+whatever price you apply to lc

tneva82 wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Not all of them. No fists for Chosen. No claws for Raptor Champs. Same asinine weapon limits on combi-weapons/fists/chainfists in Terminator units. And the Exalted Champ still has to take a Combi-Weapon.

And apparently lightning claws are "free" for Chaos Lords, as they don't have a price. Typical low effort . Whelp, guess Night Lords are a Legends army now.

So you think lightning claws should be more expensive than thunderhammer and plasma pistol? As price of those is on lord so if lc cost more you are paying th+whatever price you apply to lc

No, I don't. So I was wrong for pointing that out. And it's already been covered. Do you feel better now?

On sale right now, but legends:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Chaos-Space-Marines-Night-Lords-Hero

On sale right now, but neither in codex or legends:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/The-Fallen-2018

EviscerationPlague wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
So when will SM lose access to HH units, HQ on bikes, HQ with Juppacks?

merely curious, is all.

To be fair, they Legended a bunch of that stuff for Loyalists too.

This is more stupid though since the Jump Lord was literally still for sale not long ago.

It was sarcasm and cynism to convey my disruntlement at the utter dogshit inconsitency of this dex and its design choices in the grand scheme of things.

I want to make it clear that i am NOT advocating for SM to loose first born options. ( i am sure though that consolidation of intercessors would go a long way which is ALSO not removal of options).


But i am just done...

Can we please not have another 20+ pages of the exact same complaints and conversations about loadout changes on loop?

 Daedalus81 wrote:
They weren't in the prior book, right? I can't even remember at the moment. I'm guessing they just let those fall off the radar.

Sad that they're officially legendeding jump packs.

Mutilators were in the 8th Codex, both versions.


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Dudeface wrote:
Can we please not have another 20+ pages of the exact same complaints and conversations about loadout changes on loop?

Can people stop saying "It's good that you lost options" or "It doesn't even matter that you lost options"?

Dudeface wrote:
Can we please not have another 20+ pages of the exact same complaints and conversations about loadout changes on loop?

Don't like it, don't post in the thread. Simple as that. If you don't want to discuss the implications of what's happening and how it affected you, whatever.

Dudeface wrote:
Can we please not have another 20+ pages of the exact same complaints and conversations about loadout changes on loop?

We got some new news today, it was somewhat disappointing and re-opened still fresh wounds for lots of folks. Why would that not be worth discussing? What is the point of asking people to not discuss things? Why don't you just pass on this thread?

EviscerationPlague wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Can we please not have another 20+ pages of the exact same complaints and conversations about loadout changes on loop?

Don't like it, don't post in the thread. Simple as that. If you don't want to discuss the implications of what's happening and how it affected you, whatever.

You mean the implications of what happened a month ago and you personally have discussed about 5 times already in here? I want to see news and or rumours in the thread, release dates, options we don't know about etc. a 57th rant about night lord HQ's isn't helping at this point. Want to whine? Go do it in the general thread.


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 Gene St. Ealer wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Can we please not have another 20+ pages of the exact same complaints and conversations about loadout changes on loop?

We got some new news today, it was somewhat disappointing and re-opened still fresh wounds for lots of folks. Why would that not be worth discussing? What is the point of asking people to not discuss things? Why don't you just pass on this thread?

See above, not the place. The legends coming out is news, moaning about stuff in the codex is not.

With legends GW has only one Job: copy&paste what was there in the prior Codex and has now been lost.
I don't know why they fail at that.

> lazy Legends update happens
> nooooo don't discuss it since it'll ruin my perception of GW!!!!1!

EviscerationPlague wrote:
> lazy Legends update happens
> nooooo don't discuss it since it'll ruin my perception of GW!!!!1!

Well it changed neither my perception of GW nor yourself. Please, continue to discuss about how the lack of a jump pack lord is a shock for another 3 weeks.

What do you hope to get from this, Dudeface? Do you think anybody is going to listen to you and do what you say? This stupid whining about the thread content is way more offtopic than the (supposed) whining itself.

Dudeface wrote:
Want to whine? Go do it in the general thread.

The thread where you are also telling people they shouldn't be complaining? Yeah, I'll go do that.

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:
What do you hope to get from this, Dudeface? Do you think anybody is going to listen to you and do what you say? This stupid whining about the thread content is way more offtopic than the (supposed) whining itself.

He hopes to gain "GW okay, just wait!" which is not something I plan to listen to as we get more updates. I will express my frustration as will others, and if he doesn't want to hear it thats too bad. It's an open forum.

Dudeface wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Can we please not have another 20+ pages of the exact same complaints and conversations about loadout changes on loop?

Don't like it, don't post in the thread. Simple as that. If you don't want to discuss the implications of what's happening and how it affected you, whatever.

You mean the implications of what happened a month ago and you personally have discussed about 5 times already in here? I want to see news and or rumours in the thread, release dates, options we don't know about etc. a 57th rant about night lord HQ's isn't helping at this point. Want to whine? Go do it in the general thread.


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 Gene St. Ealer wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Can we please not have another 20+ pages of the exact same complaints and conversations about loadout changes on loop?

We got some new news today, it was somewhat disappointing and re-opened still fresh wounds for lots of folks. Why would that not be worth discussing? What is the point of asking people to not discuss things? Why don't you just pass on this thread?

See above, not the place. The legends coming out is news, moaning about stuff in the codex is not.

Time to whine about the legends then, and the fact they didn't include the non-gutted versions of Chosen and Termies.

Clearly there are no termies from before the 8th edition release Wha.
Clearly all that have converted and specialised theirs from the 8th ed are WAAC garbage that infests this community and needs to be purged..

/S..

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:
What do you hope to get from this, Dudeface? Do you think anybody is going to listen to you and do what you say? This stupid whining about the thread content is way more offtopic than the (supposed) whining itself.

He hopes to gain "GW okay, just wait!" which is not something I plan to listen to as we get more updates. I will express my frustration as will others, and if he doesn't want to hear it thats too bad. It's an open forum.

You're right it's an open forum for me to also express my frustrations.

I couldn't give less of a gak about the perception of GW or their perception to you, honestly, I enjoy the game and I consider that a lot of the criticisms levelled against them are overzealous a lot of the time, but yeah they do daft gak a lot of the time and sometimes need pulling up.

Regards the chaos stuff, yes losing options sucks, being asked to pay for other books for use of 1 unit sucks, is it a good idea form GW? obviously not.

Is whining endlessly in a news and rumours thread over and over and over and over going to actually help in any way? Not at all.

@Gert I didn't tell you not to complain, I offered solutions to you using the models you're upset about having illegal loadouts on.

But honest to god, since it's an open forum, suck it up a little. We have people who advocate piracy complaining about buying books. You weren't going to buy them anyway. What was the joy in the combi weapons you lost? "oh well I really enjoy deepstriking in, removing 1 unit, using the should-be-extinct shoot twice strat to do it twice then make easy charges with my emps children strats" - no tears shed that is gone. If your love is the models and the conversions and paintjob you put on them, the loss of a few plasma/melta/whatever shots shouldn't matter.

I have sympathy for the jump pack characters (owning some myself), I have sympathy for the book gated units, hell I even have sympathy for mutilator owners, I'm sure some exist. the rest of it isn't really a huge make or break sort of thing unless you're a tournament regular, in which case I dare say the model itself is of less import than the rules 9/10 anyway.

Dudeface wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Can we please not have another 20+ pages of the exact same complaints and conversations about loadout changes on loop?

Don't like it, don't post in the thread. Simple as that. If you don't want to discuss the implications of what's happening and how it affected you, whatever.

You mean the implications of what happened a month ago and you personally have discussed about 5 times already in here? I want to see news and or rumours in the thread, release dates, options we don't know about etc. a 57th rant about night lord HQ's isn't helping at this point. Want to whine? Go do it in the general thread.


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 Gene St. Ealer wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Can we please not have another 20+ pages of the exact same complaints and conversations about loadout changes on loop?

We got some new news today, it was somewhat disappointing and re-opened still fresh wounds for lots of folks. Why would that not be worth discussing? What is the point of asking people to not discuss things? Why don't you just pass on this thread?

See above, not the place. The legends coming out is news, moaning about stuff in the codex is not.

Yes, the Legends PDF is the news. And it carries right back to the previous complaints because people were hoping that gw would remove their heads from their backsides and actually errata some of this stuff back in, as they did with the CWE Autarch. But this obviously means that isn't happening. So without any hope for recourse, the discussion is reopened.

Look, I get that this stuff doesn't affect everyone equally, but for some of us, it's a pretty big problem. And we aren't just going to take it quietly.

I'm actually kind of glad about this, since in the past, GW said that they wouldn't be updating Legends. The lack of ap on the chainsword is odd, though, and has to be an oversight.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

Spoiler:

Dudeface wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Can we please not have another 20+ pages of the exact same complaints and conversations about loadout changes on loop?

Don't like it, don't post in the thread. Simple as that. If you don't want to discuss the implications of what's happening and how it affected you, whatever.

You mean the implications of what happened a month ago and you personally have discussed about 5 times already in here? I want to see news and or rumours in the thread, release dates, options we don't know about etc. a 57th rant about night lord HQ's isn't helping at this point. Want to whine? Go do it in the general thread.


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 Gene St. Ealer wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Can we please not have another 20+ pages of the exact same complaints and conversations about loadout changes on loop?

We got some new news today, it was somewhat disappointing and re-opened still fresh wounds for lots of folks. Why would that not be worth discussing? What is the point of asking people to not discuss things? Why don't you just pass on this thread?

See above, not the place. The legends coming out is news, moaning about stuff in the codex is not.

Yes, the Legends PDF is the news. And it carries right back to the previous complaints because people were hoping that gw would remove their heads from their backsides and actually errata some of this stuff back in, as they did with the CWE Autarch. But this obviously means that isn't happening. So without any hope for recourse, the discussion is reopened.

Look, I get that this stuff doesn't affect everyone equally, but for some of us, it's a pretty big problem. And we aren't just going to take it quietly.

100% on board with that gad, but you've at least done the right thing and tried to contact GW iirc and ask for a change. More people should do that, direct the energy in a useful manner rather than just complaining or sniping at people.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
With legends GW has only one Job: copy&paste what was there in the prior Codex and has now been lost.
I don't know why they fail at that.

I'm not a bit surprised. They fumbled on this entire release, why would they suddenly become competent now?

Dudeface wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

Spoiler:

Dudeface wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Can we please not have another 20+ pages of the exact same complaints and conversations about loadout changes on loop?

Don't like it, don't post in the thread. Simple as that. If you don't want to discuss the implications of what's happening and how it affected you, whatever.

You mean the implications of what happened a month ago and you personally have discussed about 5 times already in here? I want to see news and or rumours in the thread, release dates, options we don't know about etc. a 57th rant about night lord HQ's isn't helping at this point. Want to whine? Go do it in the general thread.


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 Gene St. Ealer wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Can we please not have another 20+ pages of the exact same complaints and conversations about loadout changes on loop?

We got some new news today, it was somewhat disappointing and re-opened still fresh wounds for lots of folks. Why would that not be worth discussing? What is the point of asking people to not discuss things? Why don't you just pass on this thread?

See above, not the place. The legends coming out is news, moaning about stuff in the codex is not.

Yes, the Legends PDF is the news. And it carries right back to the previous complaints because people were hoping that gw would remove their heads from their backsides and actually errata some of this stuff back in, as they did with the CWE Autarch. But this obviously means that isn't happening. So without any hope for recourse, the discussion is reopened.

Look, I get that this stuff doesn't affect everyone equally, but for some of us, it's a pretty big problem. And we aren't just going to take it quietly.

100% on board with that gad, but you've at least done the right thing and tried to contact GW iirc and ask for a change. More people should do that, direct the energy in a useful manner rather than just complaining or sniping at people.

I’m sure most people have the capacity for both.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
The lack of ap on the chainsword is odd, though, and has to be an oversight.

That is a level of optimism I simply do not possess. I am genuinely envious.

 Platuan4th wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/jeUu1qy1uTAxb3tF.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1KqY87fpNUaH_-lPWs8PGLZagKZj_opHHP5rZr925hEK7JWUJBXBmwAG4

New Chaos Legends PDF with all the actual options they left out of the codex for no reason.

Well that does everything I needed it to. Thank you!

Dudeface wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

Spoiler:

Dudeface wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Can we please not have another 20+ pages of the exact same complaints and conversations about loadout changes on loop?

Don't like it, don't post in the thread. Simple as that. If you don't want to discuss the implications of what's happening and how it affected you, whatever.

You mean the implications of what happened a month ago and you personally have discussed about 5 times already in here? I want to see news and or rumours in the thread, release dates, options we don't know about etc. a 57th rant about night lord HQ's isn't helping at this point. Want to whine? Go do it in the general thread.


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 Gene St. Ealer wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Can we please not have another 20+ pages of the exact same complaints and conversations about loadout changes on loop?

We got some new news today, it was somewhat disappointing and re-opened still fresh wounds for lots of folks. Why would that not be worth discussing? What is the point of asking people to not discuss things? Why don't you just pass on this thread?

See above, not the place. The legends coming out is news, moaning about stuff in the codex is not.

Yes, the Legends PDF is the news. And it carries right back to the previous complaints because people were hoping that gw would remove their heads from their backsides and actually errata some of this stuff back in, as they did with the CWE Autarch. But this obviously means that isn't happening. So without any hope for recourse, the discussion is reopened.

Look, I get that this stuff doesn't affect everyone equally, but for some of us, it's a pretty big problem. And we aren't just going to take it quietly.

100% on board with that gad, but you've at least done the right thing and tried to contact GW iirc and ask for a change. More people should do that, direct the energy in a useful manner rather than just complaining or sniping at people.

Yes, people should definitely contact gw directly and let them know how they feel. And I'll remind everyone that the place to do that is: 40kFAQ@gwplc.com

But you still have to understand that people are going to basically yell "ouch" when gw comes up and kicks them in the shin. Especially if said shin hasn't healed up yet from the last few kicks that gw gave it. And problems sometimes have to be agitated on, so that people notice them and actually do something. And if this complaining gets just a few people to write an email to gw, it has accomplished something.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I'm actually kind of glad about this, since in the past, GW said that they wouldn't be updating Legends. The lack of ap on the chainsword is odd, though, and has to be an oversight.

Given writing the Legends usually consists of someone copypasting something from previous relases, without looking at the current edition?

Yeah, probably, and it's never getting fixed.