Chaos Space Marine codex rumours and news.

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**Dudeface**

drbored wrote:
Yeah, none of this surprises me. I'm pretty sure several people called it a couple of times in the 170+ pages before this one that this is what would happen to the oblits+venomcrawler.

As for the autogun cultists, I figure it's easier just to use the Traitor Guard. Since it's not listed as an 'autogun' but instead a 'cultist firearm' it could be just about anything.

And then, once you've built those, GW will release a datasheet for the traitor guard that will also have a bunch of nonsensical restrictions so you can only build what's in the box.

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One thing a Redditor noticed is this:

So at the very least it looks like there will be more options for your Cultists, at least for some arm and head swaps.

Interesting, I wonder if the tentacles and the like make for appropriate accursed cultists?

**BorderCountess**

It'll be nice to at least sprinkle in some variety. I've got several bunches of the Dark Vengeance Cultists, so there's a lot of cloning.

**GaroRobe**

Awesome to see at least some models will have an alternate build.

Although its a completely different arm (since it's got tentacle fusion and spikes), I don't like how similar both arms are. The armor looks similar and the sword looks identical (from what we can see). It looks basically like a head swap and tentacle addition, and not a completely new arm

Edit: nm, it’s actually a chain sword

**H.B.M.C.**

Weird that you'd make a kit with alternate heads/arms that just build the same config, and not include the rifle option.

**Dryaktylus**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Weird that you'd make a kit with alternate heads/arms that just build the same config, and not include the rifle option.

Maybe there're only options for one of the arms and the head for each cultist. Sure, three of the BSF cultists wield their autogun in only one hand, but they don't have a CC weapon (nor pistols) in the other.

Well, alternative heads are always welcome - especially for those masks. They're okay, but having the option is good.

**drbored**

Dryaktylus wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Weird that you'd make a kit with alternate heads/arms that just build the same config, and not include the rifle option.

Maybe there're only options for one of the arms and the head for each cultist. Sure, three of the BSF cultists wield their autogun in only one hand, but they don't have a CC weapon (nor pistols) in the other.

Well, alternative heads are always welcome - especially for those masks. They're okay, but having the option is good.

Agreed. Even if the only option is the head for most of the models, being able to forego the weird masks will be great.

**Scottywan82**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Weird that you'd make a kit with alternate heads/arms that just build the same config, and not include the rifle option.

Just what I was about to say too. Again, this entire box is a waste. They might as well have not released anything for cultists if this half-job was all they could muster.

**tneva82**

Ah yes. You don't get what you want so nobody should get what they want...

Sheesh at the egoistical "me me me only me matters!" attitude...

**jullevi**

I am still getting a box or two of Cultists for BloodBowl conversions

**Not Online!!!**

tneva82 wrote:
Ah yes. You don't get what you want so nobody should get what they want...

Sheesh at the egoistical "me me me only me matters!" attitude...

That is less "me me me" and more, the box has half the options missing for some reason and is therefore a bad deal on the custommer side.

**Geifer**

drbored wrote:
Dryaktylus wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Weird that you'd make a kit with alternate heads/arms that just build the same config, and not include the rifle option.

Maybe there're only options for one of the arms and the head for each cultist. Sure, three of the BSF cultists wield their autogun in only one hand, but they don't have a CC weapon (nor pistols) in the other.

Well, alternative heads are always welcome - especially for those masks. They're okay, but having the option is good.

Agreed. Even if the only option is the head for most of the models, being able to forego the weird masks will be great.

While I don't have a problem with the masks per se, I'm not going to say no to extra heads, bare or otherwise. If the box of ten makes twenty models without overt clones, it's a big step up from previous cultists even if half their wargear is missing. Baby steps, I guess.

**H.B.M.C.**

tneva82 wrote:
Ah yes. You don't get what you want so nobody should get what they want...

Sheesh at the egoistical "me me me only me matters!" attitude...

That's not what he said.

**Scottywan82**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Ah yes. You don't get what you want so nobody should get what they want...

Sheesh at the egoistical "me me me only me matters!" attitude...
That's not what he said.

He doesn't care. Dude loves a straw man. That's why I have him on ignore.

**CoALabaer**

While i wholeheartedly support the ignore button in this Forum one does not need too much hyperbole to Interpret
"They might as well have not released anything for cultists if this half-job was all they could muster."
as " it is not what i want and i am the only thing that matters ".
Or to play an my favorite tune: what happened to "it is not what i wanted but i am happy for everyone who does like it "?

Anyway: is GW still doing alternating weeks (AoS/40k/Specialists) or is there a chance we get the mutants ( Cultists and Mahreenz) sooner than in a month?

**zamerion**

CoALabaer wrote:

Anyway: is GW still doing alternating weeks (AoS/40k/Specialists) or is there a chance we get the mutants ( Cultists and Mahreenz) sooner than in a month?

this said BOB from War of sigmar:

note : The chaos mutant and large mutant release have been slowed to end of august (last minute decision from gw so I guess it must be a production delay)

**Geifer**

Well, that's going to be popular.

Good thing I'm mostly just interested in the bog standard cooltists.

**Wha-Mu-077**

GaroRobe wrote:

Edit: nm, it’s actually a chain sword

Does that mean it's an alternate build for an alternate Sergant of the unit? So we can give them a Boltpistol and a Chainsword?

**GaroRobe**

Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
GaroRobe wrote:

Edit: nm, it’s actually a chain sword

Does that mean it's an alternate build for an alternate Sergant of the unit? So we can give them a Boltpistol and a Chainsword?

That could explain the tentacle making them stand out more. Though since this is a chaos unit, all the weapons for cultist may just be grouped together

**Platuan4th**

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/jeUu1qy1uTAxb3tF.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1KqY87fpNUaH_-lPWs8PGLZagKZj_opHHP5rZr925hEK7JWUJBXBmwAG4

New Chaos Legends PDF with all the actual options they left out of the codex for no reason.

**H.B.M.C.**

Not all of them. No fists for Chosen. No claws for Raptor Champs. Same asinine weapon limits on combi-weapons/fists/chainfists in Terminator units. And the Exalted Champ still has to take a Combi-Weapon.

**Kinetochore**

And still no lightning claws :-(

And, incidentally, no Chaos Kratos rules, despite saying they will look at it 5 weeks ago

**Wha-Mu-077**

Kinetochore wrote:
And still no lightning claws :-(

And, incidentally, no Chaos Kratos rules, despite saying they will look at it 5 weeks ago

They said they will look at it

They looked at the Kratos, nodded to themselves and then went along with their day, satisfied with a job well done.

**Kinetochore**

Also bothers me there's no power level for Lord with Jump pack.

I like a freebie as much as the next man but no power level cost to upgrade your Lord to have a jump pack in crusade seems a bit OP

**Platuan4th**

Kinetochore wrote:
Also bothers me there's no power level for Lord with Jump pack.

I like a freebie as much as the next man but no power level cost to upgrade your Lord to have a jump pack in crusade seems a bit OP

This model can be equipped with 1 jump pack (Power Rating +1).* - pg. 12

**Gene St. Ealer**

No mutilators also. You know, an actual model that GW sold.

I don't know why that one rubs me the wrong way so much. I never bought the kit (let's all admit it, it was pants, but so were the old oblit models) but I converted up 6 of them. I know I'm not the only one. I don't know why the utter apathy and derision for their fanbase ever surprises me, but yet it happens every time. I guess I'm the sucker.

**Gadzilla666**

H.B.M.C. wrote:Not all of them. No fists for Chosen. No claws for Raptor Champs. Same asinine weapon limits on combi-weapons/fists/chainfists in Terminator units. And the Exalted Champ still has to take a Combi-Weapon.

And apparently lightning claws are "free" for Chaos Lords, as they don't have a price. Typical low effort

. Whelp, guess Night Lords are a Legends army now.

Kinetochore wrote:And still no lightning claws :-(

And, incidentally, no Chaos Kratos rules, despite saying they will look at it 5 weeks ago

Gw obviously thinks that it makes more sense for a bunch of Primaris Marines with shiny new Cawl Tech weapons, power armour, and floating tanks to have HH era vehicles than, y'know, actual veterans of the Horus Heresy. We get dinobots instead. Can't wait to see how badly they screw up our fw units. /s

Kinetochore wrote:Also bothers me there's no power level for Lord with Jump pack.

I like a freebie as much as the next man but no power level cost to upgrade your Lord to have a jump pack in crusade seems a bit OP

Says jump packs are +1PL for Chaos Lords and Sorcerers.

**Not Online!!!**

So when will SM lose access to HH units, HQ on bikes, HQ with Juppacks?

merely curious, is all.

**Platuan4th**

Gadzilla666 wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:Not all of them. No fists for Chosen. No claws for Raptor Champs. Same asinine weapon limits on combi-weapons/fists/chainfists in Terminator units. And the Exalted Champ still has to take a Combi-Weapon.

And apparently lightning claws are "free" for Chaos Lords, as they don't have a price. Typical low effort . Whelp, guess Night Lords are a Legends army now.

Because the baked in cost of the Thunderhammer and Plasma pistol cover it. Note that they DO have costs for models that don't come with the book base load out.

That said, not sure why the Exalted has to pay for his.

**Rihgu**

Really love that Legends Chaos Lords are running around with normal chainswords and not Astartes Chainswords.

AP -1 on *my* chaos lord? No thanks!

**Daedalus81**

Gene St. Ealer wrote:
No mutilators also. You know, an actual model that GW sold.

I don't know why that one rubs me the wrong way so much. I never bought the kit (let's all admit it, it was pants, but so were the old oblit models) but I converted up 6 of them. I know I'm not the only one. I don't know why the utter apathy and derision for their fanbase ever surprises me, but yet it happens every time. I guess I'm the sucker.

They weren't in the prior book, right? I can't even remember at the moment. I'm guessing they just let those fall off the radar.

Sad that they're officially legendeding jump packs.